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How to Convince my Friends that Communism isn't evil?
« on: February 27, 2012, 09:58:15 PM »
Yeah. Frequently my friends and I get in fights how communism is better or worse. They always say the same thing: They think of Stalin or North Korea. How can I convince them there's a good side and they were just tyrants? It gets on my nerves that they do not  understand the ideas of communism.
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Re: How to Convince my Friends that Communism isn't evil?
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2012, 05:18:55 AM »
Communism and tyrranical leaders have had a bit of an unlucky past together, but they are not the same thing, I would think if you found an example of communism working well and explain how it encompasses your ideals, they would listen. If they don't listen then just change the subject, not everybody is made to agree.
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Re: How to Convince my Friends that Communism isn't evil?
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2012, 06:34:54 AM »
Remember, if you make yourself look like you are attacking the way they live (a capitalist culture), you can receive a negative reaction from it.
Normally convincing someone of a better idea is very difficult and it requires some social engineering to convince someone. What you must remember, communism cannot function properly using the money system as well.

Explain your reasons why communism is an ideal approach by the way, that's important to know if you're going on the right track and if you're sure if it works.
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Re: How to Convince my Friends that Communism isn't evil?
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2012, 09:25:31 PM »
Remember, if you make yourself look like you are attacking the way they live (a capitalist culture), you can receive a negative reaction from it.
Normally convincing someone of a better idea is very difficult and it requires some social engineering to convince someone. What you must remember, communism cannot function properly using the money system as well.

Explain your reasons why communism is an ideal approach by the way, that's important to know if you're going on the right track and if you're sure if it works.

Tried that every time didn't work. Now they accuse me of hating America because I am a Communist now it's getting annoying.
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Re: How to Convince my Friends that Communism isn't evil?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2012, 07:23:32 AM »
Right, explain how you think communism would work.

But I can quite agree, communism is not bad, it's just the people who take control of it.

Communism does work theoretically, but the thing is, it attempts to provide jobs for everyone, and tries to make everyone equal, which cannot work using a monetary system.
Whilst communism does provide very good ideas on how to look after it's own population, in practice, it cannot work to be very honest with you.

You can say capitalism is bad, for one thing it demands everyone to be competitive with each other in making money, the person with the most money is considered more important than the individuals who don't earn as much money.
It goes under a guise calling itself "democratic" as people are "free" to do what they want.
The thing is with capitalism, you only get freedom if you have the money and the power, you can effectively control the people and the government.
The free market system works, but only for a period of time before it requires people to make desperate attempts to fix it and keep it going.

The problem is, people are far too educated to see that capitalism is the answer for every issue and communism is evil and destructive (They purposely put pictures like Stalin or other famous dictators to prove the evilness of such an ideology).
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Re: How to Convince my Friends that Communism isn't evil?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2012, 07:46:32 AM »
The only annoying part about this whole topic is that it seems that liking Communism has turned into stupid trend among the younger generation. Is it "Hip" to like communism? Does the lunch lady fill up my tray with more food for liking communism? Do I get some gangsta (Faggot) friends who like star trek and have lots of acne for liking communism? Can I get some HJ's (Hungry Jacks- Oh you thought Head Jobs... Sick minded cunts.) for liking communism? ....... Can I get some head jobs for liking communism? (dat b soooo coool) Can I get some fried chicken for liking communism? Can I get a sex change for liking communism? Can I my prostate checked for liking communism? Will my daddy stop touching me at night for liking communism? Will my penis grow la- You know what, you get the point.
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Re: How to Convince my Friends that Communism isn't evil?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2012, 08:06:39 AM »
The only annoying part about this whole topic is that it seems that liking Communism has turned into stupid trend among the younger generation. Is it "Hip" to like communism? Does the lunch lady fill up my tray with more food for liking communism? Do I get some gangsta (Faggot) friends who like star trek and have lots of acne for liking communism? Can I get some HJ's (Hungry Jacks- Oh you thought Head Jobs... Sick minded cunts.) for liking communism? ....... Can I get some head jobs for liking communism? (dat b soooo coool) Can I get some fried chicken for liking communism? Can I get a sex change for liking communism? Can I my prostate checked for liking communism? Will my daddy stop touching me at night for liking communism? Will my penis grow la- You know what, you get the point.


I laughed so hard. And that isn't me lol.
Right, explain how you think communism would work.

But I can quite agree, communism is not bad, it's just the people who take control of it.

Communism does work theoretically, but the thing is, it attempts to provide jobs for everyone, and tries to make everyone equal, which cannot work using a monetary system.
Whilst communism does provide very good ideas on how to look after it's own population, in practice, it cannot work to be very honest with you.

You can say capitalism is bad, for one thing it demands everyone to be competitive with each other in making money, the person with the most money is considered more important than the individuals who don't earn as much money.
It goes under a guise calling itself "democratic" as people are "free" to do what they want.
The thing is with capitalism, you only get freedom if you have the money and the power, you can effectively control the people and the government.
The free market system works, but only for a period of time before it requires people to make desperate attempts to fix it and keep it going.

The problem is, people are far too educated to see that capitalism is the answer for every issue and communism is evil and destructive (They purposely put pictures like Stalin or other famous dictators to prove the evilness of such an ideology).

Hmm thanks I'll do this but there's a good chance he's not gonna listen or call it bull shit,
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Re: How to Convince my Friends that Communism isn't evil?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2012, 05:38:27 PM »
YOU NAZI

Now that that's out of the way:
 Why not try to ease it into a conversation, so you don't seem like your trying to change them.





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Re: How to Convince my Friends that Communism isn't evil?
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2012, 06:28:56 PM »
YOU NAZI

Now that that's out of the way:
 Why not try to ease it into a conversation, so you don't seem like your trying to change them.





THAT WAS A JOKE. I AM GERMAN. DON'T SHIT YOURSELF.

Lol


Anyway, my friends do not understand and still do not belive me so I can't convince p...yet
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Re: How to Convince my Friends that Communism isn't evil?
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2012, 06:40:44 PM »
Why do you desperately need to convince communism is the way? What reasons can you come up with that makes communism better than capitalism? (Happens to be the third time I want to know why you believe communism is better)
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Re: How to Convince my Friends that Communism isn't evil?
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2012, 07:08:12 PM »
Why do you desperately need to convince communism is the way? What reasons can you come up with that makes communism better than capitalism? (Happens to be the third time I want to know why you believe communism is better)

We usually debates which or which is better so yeah
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Re: How to Convince my Friends that Communism isn't evil?
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2012, 08:23:32 PM »
You could remind your friends that Communism is only a theory so far, no country today has ever been a true Communist country.
And you could tell them the theories of Communism, as it is only a theory and not of the Socialist countries that claim themselves to be Communist and usually end up with a very 'inviting' dictator.
Communism has never been tried so examples like Stalin or Castro would be invalid, though they say they strive for Communism they always have a tendency to shuffle power to the government instead of the people, these are only people who claim to strive for Communism, live in Socialism and operate their lives by siphoning income intended for the people to the government, and would be clinically diagnosed with a mental defect if diagnosed at all.
Stalin for example had a master plan of using civilians to mush up Nazi-armored Tank tracks until Infantry divisions arrived.
Castro believes that murdering people by the masses will solve diplomacy problems and Kim Jung IL had his sights on a genetically pure Korea by having disabled people in Pyongyang shipped off to an uninhabitable Island, don't forget Mao either.
All of the countries that rely on the government to set up a Communist system through Socialism have abusers of power who only want to 'actualize' their current government body and not the people, maybe because the belief that a strong government body.
All of these people, though Socialist, are accompanied with a hint of murder and Genocide and are invalid examples because they, although were using Socialism, were not using it as the intended Vessel for Communism, but as an instrument of their authority to actualize their country in their own belief of Communism, with its prime ingredient, a dissolved government, a vision of anarchy rather than progress.
So the same reasons they rationalized their Socialist occupation with Communism, is the same reason you could defend Communism, difference is, they are invalid examples of the evils of Communism.
Communism in theory, (never been actually tried by any government) is entirely more moral in equality and freedom than America's Capitalism. Therefore being not just moral, and not just moral in aspects of Capitalist livelihood, freedom and equality, but is more moral than America's freedom and equality.
Communism could not just dissolve government but national greed, injustice against others, selfishness, inequality, tyranny, corrupt values of worth and more. It would also create a unity of these morals in its idealized form, there is no rich that get richer, there is no poor that get poorer, there will not be rich elites driving around in their Mercedes while school houses are infected with diseases, there would not be hoarding of 'beautiful jewelry' while the children have to work their lives away in tin mines, there would not be the bourgeoisie talking over their golden phones while  the proletariats rummage through the withering farm lands to feed their family and themselves.
So if Communism is the most moral government theory, dissolving selfishness, greed, and unifying people under high equality, and freedom, then how could it be "Evil"? Evil in definition is immoral; so then, wouldn't Capitalism be more 'Evil' than Communism as the goal of Capitalism is the Individual progression first and not the overall people? That your worth in society is weighed with materialism and the profit of materialism and not the value of your being?
Long story short, remind them that History’s Socialist examples are invalid because of the misuse of Socialism, and that Capitalism is in fact more ‘evil’ than Communism with the morality of the two institutions considered.
Hope this helps.
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Re: How to Convince my Friends that Communism isn't evil?
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2012, 03:16:18 AM »
People differ in opinions. You should respect one another's opinion except of try to convince them your opinion is better...

But if you really want to, except of telling why their opinion is bad, you should tell why your opinion is good.
Same results, but they don't feel attacked.
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Re: How to Convince my Friends that Communism isn't evil?
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2012, 08:01:32 PM »
From what I've read from you so far, your friends seem to be pretty immature.

Now, of course people have differing opinions, but differing opinions coupled with immaturity when it comes to the opinions you have of the opinions that others have, doesn't go well.

It might be one of those times when it's really not worth talking to a brick wall.
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Re: How to Convince my Friends that Communism isn't evil?
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2012, 02:04:25 AM »
You don't convince them, because



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