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Dr. Francis Richter charcter unban appeal
« on: July 16, 2012, 04:06:58 AM »
Steam Name: Mr. Smith.
Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:42813575
Character Name: Dr. Francis Richter.
Admin who issued PK: KillMePlz.
Reason for Un-PK: Was powergamed to death. The death avoided rp. Killed for no legitimate OOC reason or no OOC reason given .
Evidence: Collected from Console on 7/16/12

[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: One moment.
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: Back. Hello gang.
[LOOC] UU.C45.CmD.03109: hi
** UU.C45.CmD.03109 presses his thumb against the hammer of his magnum, raising it so his arm is horizontal to the ground, taking aim at the -
** - small administrator standing before him.
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: So, before I react and you shoot me, I want to talk toy ou about something else.
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: *you
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: Another way this could end.
[LOOC] UU.C45.CmD.03109: Does it involve you somehow getting passed a Commander, a former Sectorial and 2 UED Units?
** UU.UED:51584 fingers the trigger of her pistol as she lifts it to her eye-line. She whispers, "Pew... pew..."
C45.CCA.NOVA-EU.479 says "<:: Ready to prosecute!"
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: No, It involves the Commandr, a former Sectorial and two UED agents escortinga soon to be executed Administrator to detainm
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: -ent to awit a scheduked and more formal execution.
[LOOC] UU.C45.CmD.03109: But there is no logical point in that. You are just an administrator, you don't deserve a formal execution.
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: Then I would be able to, once this gang has dispered, make an escape into the Outlands.
[LOOC] C45.CCA.NOVA-EU.479: Whats more formal than a commander, a former sectoral, and two UED agents?
** Dr. Leonard Who grimaces, turning his head away from the scene before him in despair. Taking in a whisp of air before holding his breath-
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: Why deny rp to so many people and a whole server just for some midnight entertainment.
[LOOC] UU.C45.CmD.03109: Being dishonourable discharged.
** awaiting the shot.
[LOOC] UU.C45.CmD.03109: dishonourably*
[LOOC] UU.C45.CmD.03109: or dishonorably, i dunno know
** UU.UED:51584 swings her pistol over to Tallen, cocking her head to the left somewhat.
[LOOC] C45.CCA.NOVA-EU.479: Oh, we would need a current sectoral to be completely formal.  Oh well.
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: Then execute me, don't have it be formal, strip me of my rank and throw me in a detainment cell. In the Outlands there
[LOOC] UU.C45.CmD.03109: Actually, the formal execution is conducted by a sword armed Commander
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: could be potentially more rp ad OTA hunts.
[LOOC] UU.C45.CmD.03109: Only two people can do it, myself and 563
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: Decapitation then?
[LOOC] C45.CCA.NOVA-EU.479: Yes.
[LOOC] UU.C45.CmD.03109: Thats the execution, decapitation.
** UU.UED:51584 , getting no satisfactory response, frowns and turns back to the German man.
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: Schedule it? Lock me in a cell, provide rp to a whole nother server that seems to be limping since the main resistance gr
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: -oups fell.
C45.CCA.GRID-01.701 radios in "<:: //So 01's get stasis but we cant go in the stasis chamber?"
UU.C45.CmD.03109 radios in "<:: // No, they dont."
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: Kill me another day and along the way provide much more rp then a few /mes.
UU.UED:51584 says "<:: C'mon, Commander... let's make him bleed."
UU.C45.CmD.03109 says "<:: I concur."
** C45.CCA.NOVA-EU.479 nods in agreement despite being the probable one to take the body out.
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: It sounds juiy though haha. SO many opprotunities instead o a little midnigt entertainment. You could bring a little life b
[LOOC] UU.C45.CmD.03109: No.
[LOOC] UU.UED:51584: lol
[LOC] C45.CCA.NOVA-EU.479: Its been decided.  Just get on with it.
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: -ack into the Outlands, a CA gone loose equals more OTA, equals more Citizens wanting to join in yes.
[LOOC] UU.C45.CmD.03109: We wont let that happen ICly, and thats how I expect it to work out.
UU.C45.CmD.03109 radios in "<:: // yes"
[LOOC] UU.UED:51584: we could always broadcast your failures as a human over broadcast
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: I'm not saying I'd get passed you now, I'm saying you'd put me in a cell.
[LOOC] UU.UED:51584: and how u were a dummy
[LOOC] C45.CCA.NOVA-EU.479: Or, heres an idea... Get on with the IC shit since its been chosen a decapitation is happening now.
[LOOC] C45.CCA.NOVA-EU.479: Or shot, dunno.  Havent been paying attention much
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: I have a better idea. This idea involves a lot more rp than a few /me, and happy people.
[LOOC] UU.C45.CmD.03109: No.
[LOOC] UU.UED:00007: better oocly =/= better iccly
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: Whyt not, why are you so stubborn to share the rp?
[LOOC] C45.CCA.NOVA-EU.479: I have an even better idea: Shut up or get shot then banned for trying to get out of a death which is the fine point.
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: if you kill me, then it's power gaming, I have yet to react.
[LOOC] UU.UED:00007: it may have had something to do with asking you to stand down twice
** UU.C45.CmD.03109 slides his finger across the trigger, taking aim at the Civil Administrators body, he presses against the small metal -
** - piece, firing.
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: Isn't it then?
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: I have not reacted to anything other than standing up here while you want to power game for your OOC reasons.
[LOOC] UU.UED:00007: kmp's trigger finger is getting itchy and he may fire if /me isn't accomplished
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: So, isn't powergaming a rulebreaker in rp?
[LOOC] UU.UED:51584: just shoot him
[LOOC] UU.C45.CmD.03109: You decide to regard me waiting for you to respond with a proper /me as power-gaming.
[LOOC] C45.CCA.NOVA-EU.479: Avoiding RP is a rule.  Either RP or get shot without any from your side.
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: If I want to rp I will perform correct? and I can rp with a /me. I havn't /me stood here waiting for your to shoot me and i
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: -'m not trying to avoid rp, I'm trying to create more than 03109 could create right now by shooting me.
** C45.CCA.NOVA-EU.479 follows the commanders shot with a pull of her own trigger and a burst from the shotgun.
[LOOC] UU.UED:00007: by stalling, this will harm your defence if you choose to apply for a PK appeal
[LOOC] UU.C45.CmD.03109: You were given more then enough time to respond.
UU.C45.CmD.03109 permanently killed the character 'Dr. Francis Richter'.

I was accused of avoiding rp, however this does not excuse the players who are eager to rp to go ahead and rp without the other player's reaction that they are rp'ing with and thus powergaming on. The powergaming is generally performed by KillMePlz A.K.A UU.C45.CmD.03109, who though gave me time to react did not allow me to react with full cooperation as I was making a case for my character OOC'ly. His deciion to continue rp without my performance resulted in the powergaming which can be seen above.

Though I was chatting OOC'ly during an IC moment, my intentions were not to avoid rp but to increase the quantity of the current rp. So if anyone should be accused of avoiding rp it should be the persons who killed and supported the death of Dr. Francis Richter for these persons avoided an extended rp and deprived many others of rp to instead perform only a simple rp for no legitimate OOC reason given. I had continously given the idea and explenation of how to expand the rp from a few /me's into  something greater. However that rp which was of greater quantity and no doubt quality as more experienced players would be exposed to the rp than just seven, was avoided through powergaming in an effort to entertain illegitimate OOC reasons.

No legitimate OOC reason was given for my death as can be seen from the evidence above. Rather the supporters of my death would claim that my death was already decided and I given no say, and no valid reason for my death. The reason a valid OOC reason should be given to perform extreme IC actions such as killing another player permanently is not only necessary to preserve happiness, with happiness being the general goal of a roleplaying game or any game, but also to ensure that the quality of the roleplay is met with the cooperation of all the players not just to go along with the rp if the rp is all good and fair but to ensure that a better decision could not be made to increase the quantity and/or quality of the rp, as I had attempted to do, and the supporters of my death neglected to do.

The persons responsible for supporting and immediately causing the death of Dr. Francis Richter are responsible for avoiding rp through powergaming to entertain some OOC reason that was not given or an illegitimate OOC reason that either way denied the coopration of players within the rp and ensured the production of this PK appeal.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2012, 04:16:35 AM by Mr. Smith »

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Re: Dr. Francis Richter charcter unban appeal
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2012, 05:23:34 AM »
No idea where to start here... well, lets see. The first issue is that we don't need an OOC reason to amputate someone for IC actions, which were completely legitimate (seeing as two UED Units were directly behind me, one of them being Ozjackal, the consul and they supported me  in my actions) in regards to the actions performed by yourself and the reputation that Civil Administrators, as well as the fact you were speaking a language not surpport by the Universal Union over a broadcast, ignoring numerous orders to be quiet over the radio, resulting a Commander, 2 UED Units and an EU who happened to be a formal Sectorial Commander to move to the Office to deal with you is concerning as well.

The second issue is that what you thought was "ruining RP" was stopping you from escaping the Nexus after being detained, to go to the Outlands on a Civil Administrator character, causing resistance RP to be disrupted in order to enjoy yourself by having OTA raid the Outlands and not killing one person but many, ruining everyone's happiness for your benefit.

The third issue was that you were given over 30 minutes to get through that RP situation, and you also cut out the other CAs in the room telling you to get on with the RP instead of trying to save yourself in LOOC. At the time, myself and RTLK (The EU) were discussing what was happening, and we decided that if you continued to avoid RP (which is punishable) through the use of LOOC, we would continue the RP without your consent to benefit everyone from your "better RP".

Also, the fact that you decided to disrespect 03109 IC in-front of around about 10 Units just shows that you screwed up, and I'm sure every high ranking Unit who has role-played with 03109 will understand your mistake for doing such a thing.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2012, 05:26:06 AM by KillmePlz »
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Re: Dr. Francis Richter charcter unban appeal
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2012, 07:42:28 AM »
Please don't selectively quote your condumps because you've missed the objections from the other players who were present at the time:
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[LOOC] Dr. Alisha Tallen: You've been arguing OOCly and decided to not react.
** Dr. Leonard Who exhales sharply, the shot causing his ears to ring loughly being in such a confined space as he clutches the glass tighter
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: So, isn't powergaming a rulebreaker in rp?
Dr. Alisha Tallen has used '/CharPhysDesc ||Brown Hair||Clean Suit||Blue Eyes||Inteligent Accent||ScarLeftEye||Around 6'||'.
[LOOC] UU.UED:51584: just shoot him
[LOOC] UU.C45.CmD.03109: You decide to regard me waiting for you to respond with a proper /me as power-gaming.
[LOOC] C45.CCA.NOVA-EU.479: Avoiding RP is a rule.  Either RP or get shot without any from your side.
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: If I want to rp I will perform correct? and I can rp with a /me. I havn't /me stood here waiting for your to shoot me and i
[LOOC] Dr. Alisha Tallen: Stop complaining and RP then. Jesus.
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: -'m not trying to avoid rp, I'm trying to create more than 03109 could create right now by shooting me.
C45.CCA.NOVA-EU.479 has used '/Me follows the commanders shot with a pull of her own trigger and a burst from the shotgun.'.
[LOOC] UU.UED:00007: by stalling, this will harm your defence if you choose to apply or a PK appeal
Dr. Francis Richter has taken damage from UU.C45.CmD.03109 with weapon_357.
C45.CCA.NOVA-EU.479 has killed Dr. Francis Richter with weapon_shotgun.
UU.UED:51584 has used '/Me 's face tightens at familiar splatof lead tearing flesh. She watches the administrator's body flop to the floor.'.
[LOOC] UU.C45.CmD.03109: You were given more then enough time to respond.
Dr. Alisha Tallen has used '/Me jumps again, turning her head towards 51584 as they fire upon him.'.
UU.UED:51584 has used '/Me pouts and lowers her gun.'.
UU.UED:51584 says "<:: Boom."
UU.C45.CmD.03109 has used '/CharPermaKill Francis Richter'.
UU.C45.CmD.03109 permanently killed the character 'Dr. Francis Richter'.
[LOOC] Dr. Francis Richter: Does that satisfy yourself?
[LOOC] Dr. FrancisRichter has said in LOOC: 'Does that satisfy yourself?'.
UU.UED:00007 has used '/Me doesn't even manage to get a single shot off. She places her Desert Eagle in her leather holster hesitantly.'.

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Re: Dr. Francis Richter charcter unban appeal
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2012, 12:34:40 PM »
I did not selectively quote for the purpose of concealing the objections and making Richter look like he was stacked up against, but to show who was present at the time and the players that were responsible for supporting the powergaming, avoidance of rp, and the lack of a legitimate OOC reason for the death of Dr. Francis Richter.

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The first issue is that we don't need an OOC reason to amputate someone for IC actions

The second issue is that what you thought was "ruining RP" was stopping you from escaping the Nexus after being detained, to go to the Outlands on a Civil Administrator character, causing resistance RP to be disrupted in order to enjoy yourself by having OTA raid the Outlands and not killing one person but many, ruining everyone's happiness for your benefit.

The third issue was that you were given over 30 minutes to get through that RP situation, and you also cut out the other CAs in the room telling you to get on with the RP instead of trying to save yourself in LOOC. At the time, myself and RTLK (The EU) were discussing what was happening, and we decided that if you continued to avoid RP (which is punishable) through the use of LOOC, we would continue the RP without your consent...

Also, the fact that you decided to disrespect 03109 IC in-front of around about 10 Units just shows that you screwed up, and I'm sure every high ranking Unit who has role-played with 03109 will understand your mistake for doing such a thing.

First, KMP, you have not explained why you don't need an OOC reason to kill someone IC'ly. You only claim one is not needed as opposed to my reason of why an OOC reason is necessary as my reason has an explenation bent to the purpose of pursuing the goals of a roleplaying game, happiness. Though later you claim happiness to be important as you claim to have killed me OOC'ly in the interest of happiness to prevent me from "ruining everyone's happiness for [my] benefit". So assuming you are interested so much in the preservation of happiness  as myself then why would you want to powergame to avoid an rp that would not just benefit me, but multiple resistance groups by having an ex-city administrator supporting them almost as I did the Union. Using my docterates as a means to aid the people of the outlands rather than just cause some OTA raids which at times do liven up rp a bit not just for the players with some good rp action.

As well, It is the duty of the HL2RP Administrators as well as potentially all roleplaying administrators to preserve rp and act in its interests. If a HL2RP Admin decided that by minging through the plaza and spawning useless props for the purpose of ruining roleplay in the interest of preserving some roleplay, would he be in the right? Are his action justifable because of his rank? More specifically, if multiple civilians were talking an performing in the plaza and one of them, only one was a BOL, then would an admin be justified by his rank to physgun all of the other citizens away so that a Civil Protection Unit could grab that one BOL? Or if an admin decided to minge run and bunnyhop in the plaza to distract other players so that an anti-citizen can sneak through the P-3 HAP undetected? Or is it even justifiable for an admin to act unaccording to rp and ruin rp because of his or her rank if he or she, or they, were to powergame and ruin potentially hours and days of rp as KillmePlz (03109) and RTLK ("The EU" 479) had done when they decided to act on their own accord without the consent of the player being acted upon? By powergaming without character consent to satisfy an OOC reason, some variable of time which was thought to take authority over the rp rules, to avoid rp as they and the supporters had done, by breaking rp rules to comply with their own OOC reasons not given and justify breaking the rules set out for the benefit and preservation of happiness in roleplay for simply IC purposes, a few ranks and no real OOC reason, the Admins involved had not just broken rules that they set out to preserve and enforce but ruined potentially days and maybe weeks of roleplay for the Outlands and many people not just myself. The Admins involved had neglected their duty by powergaming, avoiding and ruining long hours of roleplay  for a few /mes and to entertain some illegitimate OOC reasons for the benefit of a few that were believed to usurp the authority of the rules and regulations that admins set out to protect.

But Regardless of any accusation that has been previously made, considering the incompetance in judgment made in permently killing Dr. Francis Richter is and should be known almost instinctively to all who look on, as enough to un-PK Dr. Francis Richter. It is so because the reason for PK'ing Dr. Francis Richter was incompetantly labeled as "Legitmate". It was mistankenly labeled so because certain people had believed that a City Administrator broadcasting in a foreign language (German) when unaware of the infringment in doing so, and sighing in 03109's presence were grounds enough to properly warrent a full-amputation, when in fact the most extreme punishment that should have been considered as a legitimate form of punishment and were seemingy not considered at all, was a temporary suspension and/or some form of non-fatal corporal punishment. These mistakes that demonstrate over-aggressive behavior and incompetance (as poor-judgment is obviously involved), are signposts, designating the poor actions taken by  the "higher authority" atop the most fatal mistake of incompetance and error that had been exercised, being illegitimate and irresponsible roleplaying. Powergaming a few /me's should in no way be considered sufficient to warrent a permanent player-kill no matter how extinsively intrusive that player had become over a long-period of time. The incompetance that was and is present bred the patent irresponsibility of poor judgment exercized by the transgressors in that critical roleplay which had ultimately resulted in the unjust PK of Dr. Francis Richter. The unjust reasons caused by human error that led to Dr. Francis Richter's PK are the just reasons in un-PK'ing Dr. Francis Richter.

And no matter how many ways I, or KMP could think of how Dr. Francis Richter could get passed two UEDs, an EU, and a CmD and be of use in the Outlands, none could be actualized because of the NLR and void of rp that would take effect as a result of the un-PK.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2012, 05:00:05 AM by Mr. Smith »

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Re: Dr. Francis Richter charcter unban appeal
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2012, 01:49:24 AM »
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First, KMP, you have not explained why you don't need an OOC reason to kill someone IC'ly.

We've never needed an OOC reason to do anything ICly. OOC and IC are separate, and will always stay as such.



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So assuming you are interested so much in the preservation of happiness  as myself then why would you want to powergame to avoid an rp that would not just benefit me, but multiple resistance groups by having an ex-city administrator supporting them almost as I did the Union. Using my docterates as a means to aid the people of the outlands rather than just cause some OTA raids which at times do liven up rp a bit not just for the players with some good rp action.

You would never even make it out of your Office alive, nevermind the Nexus, the City, or even getting to Outlands.

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As well, It is the duty of the HL2RP Administrators as well as potentially all roleplaying administrators to preserve rp and act in its interests. If a HL2RP Admin decided that by minging through the plaza and spawning useless props for the purpose of ruining roleplay in the interest of preserving some roleplay, would he be in the right? Are his action justifable because of his rank? More specifically, if multiple civilians were talking an performing in the plaza and one of them, only one was a BOL, then would an admin be justified by his rank to physgun all of the other citizens away so that a Civil Protection Unit could grab that one BOL? Or if an admin decided to minge run and bunnyhop in the plaza to distract other players so that an anti-citizen can sneak through the P-3 HAP undetected? Or is it even justifiable for an admin to act unaccording to rp and ruin rp because of his or her rank if he or she, or they, were to powergame and ruin potentially hours and days of rp as KillmePlz (03109) and RTLK ("The EU" 479) had done when they decided to act on their own accord without the consent of the player being acted upon? By powergaming without character consent to satisfy an OOC reason, some variable of time which was thought to take authority over the rp rules, to avoid rp as they and the supporters had done, by breaking rp rules to comply with their own OOC reasons not given and justify breaking the rules set out for the benefit and preservation of happiness in roleplay for simply IC purposes, a few ranks and no real OOC reason, the Admins involved had not just broken rules that they set out to preserve and enforce but ruined potentially days and maybe weeks of roleplay for the Outlands and many people not just myself. The Admins involved had neglected their duty by powergaming, avoiding and ruining long hours of roleplay  for a few /mes and to entertain some illegitimate OOC reasons for the benefit of a few that were believed to usurp the authority of the rules and regulations that admins set out to protect.

This is all fluff. Nothing of substance here, your going in circles and complaining about generalizations.
There was no powergaming, or avoiding roleplay on thier part (As far as I know)


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But Regardless of any accusation that has been previously made, considering the incompetance in judgment made in permently killing Dr. Francis Richter is and should be known almost instinctively to all who look on, as enough to un-PK Dr. Francis Richter. It is so because the reason for PK'ing Dr. Francis Richter was incompetantly labeled as "Legitmate". It was mistankenly labeled so because certain people had believed that a City Administrator broadcasting in a foreign language (German) when unaware of the infringment in doing so, and sighing in 03109's presence were grounds enough to properly warrent a full-amputation, when in fact the most extreme punishment that should have been considered as a legitimate form of punishment and were seemingy not considered at all, was a temporary suspension and/or some form of non-fatal corporal punishment. These mistakes that demonstrate over-aggressive behavior and incompetance (as poor-judgment is obviously involved), are signposts, designating the poor actions taken by  the "higher authority" atop the most fatal mistake of incompetance and error that had been exercised, being illegitimate and irresponsible roleplaying. Powergaming a few /me's should in no way be considered sufficient to warrent a permanent player-kill no matter how extinsively intrusive that player had become over a long-period of time. The incompetance that was and is present bred the patent irresponsibility of poor judgment exercized by the transgressors in that critical roleplay which had ultimately resulted in the unjust PK of Dr. Francis Richter. The unjust reasons caused by human error that led to Dr. Francis Richter's PK are the just reasons in un-PK'ing Dr. Francis Richter.

It was legit, in every way. Why would you even concider broadcasting in German? That's ICly, and OOCly, just stupid. Our servers are English only, and this reflects ICly, broadcasting in a foreign language is grounds for punishment, whatever the Commander deems worthy.



Any more objections? if not, this will be denied in a few days time.


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Re: Dr. Francis Richter charcter unban appeal
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2012, 12:57:32 AM »
Its past time, Denied, locked, moved.


 

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