Social Discussion is for life shit. MLP isnt life. It's still the internet. Table talk is a fine spot for it.

Idk what the MLP thing is about. I watched it with my ex. That was about all I ever did with regards to it. I see it now and think "why did I watch that again?"

Your analogy about the Miley Cyrus thing might be right. The Beibz thing isnt. Beibz is one of the biggest douchebags ever. Sure his music isnt that bad but he's a bigger douche then Kanye West.

But this is about MLP so yeah. I think your theory may be right. I'm sure if you googled it, you'd find the answer lol.

Do not post My Little Pony (MLP)-related content on the forums.

Anything Unimportant! If it doesn't matter, it isn't worth debating.

Quote from: Ricky on January 28, 2014, 05:17:01 PM

I find it hilarious how heated all of you become when discussing hypothetical situations within the CCA. Somehow, these topics have managed to divide the community, despite the fact that there are no official plans for the CCA as of yet. I don't know how anyone else feels, but I would much prefer if someone first developed a comprehensive, wide-ranging plan for the CCA before we fret over smaller things. Even if said plan is identical to a previous system, it would help to have a working model of how the CCA will operate before delving into the specifics.

there can't be full cca plans until someone is picked to run the cca, those of us running divisions have our own plans and im hoping we can get a meeting together to discuss some stuff

Quote from: Khub on January 18, 2014, 06:36:50 AM

I think that the way of handling authorizations in the days of the last HL2RP era was one of the reasons resulting in it's extinction.

To keep the server alive, you need new players and you need to make them stay.
They want their characters to go in action and you don't let them because:

• Write a million words backstory about:
  
  • How you broke a window with a random object and took the glass shard to use it as a makeshift knife, or how you found a rusty piece of wire or a little square of metal with sharp edges that would serve the same purpose.
  • How you managed to smuggle an old t-shirt, a pair of shoes or a hat of yours from the pre-war era in your suitcase, because the UU is perfect and there's absolutely no way your suitcase wouldn't get searched in it's entirety.
  • How your character used to take martial arts lessons for a few months and gained some basic self-defense abilities. Don't forget to include the same, generic backstory already seen before.
• Make up a handful of fake perks and disadvantages of you having the item. Please refrain from telling us you want to look cool and have fun because that's not what we're aiming for.
• Wait a few days for the administration team to review your application. Reapply twice because your grammar isn't the best and because the ability to write a sentence or two in a form of /me definitely isn't sufficient to RP.

Take what I said above with a grain of salt, but think of it.
Like, of course there'd be metal detectors and probably x-ray scans utilized on the suitcases, but there's this factor named human error and the fact that t-shirts and books aren't made of metal.

What is the risk of letting a player gain an IC item like a t-shirt or shoes they can brag with, or even a knife? There's the risk of roleplay. What if you had the units roleplaying confiscate your items on sight and detain you for a little while? No way we can allow that to happen, right?

Even if you get a knife, so what? You go and mug someone. There's roleplay in the mugging itself, there's roleplay in them reporting you, in the units going after you, in your detainment or execution, in the victim seeking medical attention (even if it only went as far as purchasing a bandage from a player-seller, it's still better than "sit in p3 and repeat indefinitely").
Of course, when you give a player a perk there's a high chance they'll abuse it sometime. So what? Even if you go and stab everyone around with your IC knife, given a decent administration team who won't instantly physgun you, ban you and void everything, you will cause some roleplay (again! woah!). The victim will probably cause it too as they might seek medical attention again.

The requirements put in place were stupid and are the cause of why the server died. The influx of new players literally died out and I believe this is the cause of it. The administration acts more like "fun police" than "administration and roleplay assistance".

You don't let new players have fun, they leave, simple as that.
"No guns in plaza" and "no guns outside of p3". No fun allowed. Worst case - unit is headshot and drops their weapons.  Admins have to spend fifteen minutes looking up who all got the guns, what a disaster. They have to work. Shame. (hint, there can be systems put in place to allow for easier logging/tracing of weapons)
"No rogue units without owner approval" - rogue units should be allowed, given the character has a valid reason. Agreement of a handful of administrators / SA should be enough. If they cannot be trusted then they shouldn't be administrators. What are the risks of a rogue unit anyways? Dropping weapons? See the previous point. Other than that, it's just the risk of roleplay, again.


typical khub you just point out whats wrong and i dont agree with you because xxx
I voiced my opinion, feel free to disagree. Provide counter-arguments and I will try to react.

you're dumb it wasn't like this go away you're just wrong we don't want your opinion stick it up your ass
ok

ok so you pointed out whats wrong but how to fix??

My suggestions:

• Instruct administration not to act like fun police.
• Stop making tons of rules that will prevent roleplay just because there's a chance of it resulting in a breach of the server rules.
• Demote administrators who intervene in roleplay only because it might eventually sometime possibly result in someone breaking a rule.
• Demote administrators who intervene in/void roleplay because a rule was broken, as long as it's not massive RDM and as long as the situation can be dealt with ICly.

Most of the requirements and restrictions currently in effect serve two purposes:
1. remove player fun
2. make admins' jobs easier

That's wrong.
There obviously need to be some rules and restrictions put in place but not like this.

In-spot authorizations are a good idea, but I cannot see them working well due to the already mentioned problem of admin bias.

There should also be a system that allows for easier applications on both sides (players and admins).
Imagine a part of the TAB menu called "Authorizations", synchronized with the forum. That way, you can fill up the application ingame if it's something minor and it's posted to the forums for you. Administration members vote on the application, even from in-game. Given enough votes or a SA's approval, the application is accepted. People can use a command like '/Auths' while looking at you, you select authorizations granted to your current character that you'd like to show them. Administrators can use this command to instantly revoke an authorization or to tweak it.

Edit: While I guess I can understand the reasons behind postponing certain things (outlands, OTA, vortigaunts) until the server is running well, it can get a little counter-productive. I believe you should set everything up before the server is launched. You keep players by providing them fun/entertainment/roleplay, not by saying "this thing you like won't come until we are 128/128 populated for two weeks in a row, you have to wait bored meanwhile".

Khub pretty much gets it. Either way, if you are buttbuddies with the admin team, you can still abuse the auth system, spot on auths or the old auth way. But aside from that I pretty much agree with Khub on everything. The admin team should really re-evaulate what their job is and what they should be doing. Less intervention in every little aspect of roleplay by admins would help tremendously.