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« on: June 06, 2013, 08:01:40 PM »
But that is what I am saying, I didn't just get up and run. I was conscious for 5 or 10 seconds and was trying to talk to them and they wouldn't listen I then run. Sorry for continuing this but what you said was wrong.
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« on: June 06, 2013, 06:42:30 PM »
I did nothing wrong, me punching him was for a reason. Therefore I did not break a rule there. As for the rest my evidence stands, I did nothing wrong, I was simply following the words of an admin. Also I did not Fail RP.
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« on: June 06, 2013, 05:24:18 PM »
Yes and what I am saying is that the person who uploaded the evidence cut out the parts where I try to explain myself to the cop and the cop continues to taze me even though I was not resisting, I was simply trying to explain my side. Someone with a molotov threw it at my vending cart with my guns and other items that I was selling and I hit him. The cop then tazed me and when I tried to explain my side he continued to taze me. So when I got up I tried to explain again and he wasn't listening to me so I ran.
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« on: June 06, 2013, 05:05:45 PM »
It is very common for people to attempt to run from a tazer. Like I said before, my character has the max strength, agility, and endurance which means he could easily with stand a police tazer.
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« on: June 06, 2013, 02:54:12 PM »
Actually I had level 3 strength which is the highest you can get, I also had endurance and acrobatics. So my character actually would be muscular.
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« on: June 06, 2013, 02:19:08 PM »
I did not get up and instantly run. Ten or more seconds passed on each incident but you can't see that in the video because they cut that part out.
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Also since you say that you would not just get up and run, you are completely wrong. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdetqS40Ua4 you can say that you have been tazed in real life but the experience is not the same for everyone. In-fact more likely you would try and run so they would not taze you again. Your muscles tense up when being electrocuted but when it stop they go back to normal.
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« on: June 06, 2013, 01:16:01 PM »
there's plenty of people wh
Words of wisdom, Antartican Lightningsuck.
And it honestly really isn't hard to just avoid a ban... If a cop is arresting you, just do what he says... then you won't be banned for running from a taser.
It's not really the fact that he got banned for running from the taser, it's that he got banned for something he thought at the time was allowed. In someone's appeal (can't remember who), the admin said that tasers do not fall under FearRP. Unknowingly, he ran from the taser and got banned for it and on his appeal they made a quote that said something like "tasers do fall under fearRP within an effective range" (which isn't stated on the rules at all, and the "common sense" rule isn't really helpful when something that may be common sense to you isn't for another person) . You'd be upset too if you got banned for something you thought was allowed, but they changed the terms of that being allowed inside your ban appeal.
I'm kind of with quantum on this. I understand that 5 strikes is a reasonable amount of "warnings" you can get before being thrown out. I mean, why not? If they mess up that many times, they might as well not even be here. But in my opinion, a ban should be unbiased and lenient on sticky situations and new players. If you do something that you think is right and you have a way to justify your point being somewhat correct, you should just get a warning point put on your account for violating a rule. That way players can see situations that have happened in the past and learn from them. If it happens again however, I think that's when a ban point should come into play. New members don't always understand everything about the server. Sure, you can read the rules, but if you're actually a player of the server you know that the rules don't always fill in those gaps with weird situations, such as killing a cop in public to defend your friend from arrest. Sure, that may seem a bit obvious if you're a long-term player, but the newer players may not know that. Such as in my case, I got banned once on OCRP for killing a cop in public that was arresting my friend, I figured that because it never said it in the rules, and it seemed like it was kind of RP-ish I would be able to do it, but I ended up getting banned for that. In my opinion what should have happened was the admin would look at how long I've been playing and put that into consideration as well as if I had any other warning/ban points related to that and if not I would get told that it was against the rules to do that and I would get a warning on my account and told that if I did it again I would get banned.
That system seems a bit better in my opinion, because the way I see it now is admins just see something wrong happen and ban them for it. Sure they can appeal and say that they didn't know, but that does them no good (as you can see), and they're usually just told to read the rules (which is kind of hard to do because if the rule doesn't exist, it would just fall under the "common sense" section).
I'm not trying to say that quantum's ban wasn't right, I'm just trying to say that sometimes newer players, or players caught in a situation that they think is right and justifiable, deserve a little bit more leniency than just a slap in the face with a ban.
I totally agree with what your saying, but if he struck out, maybe he should of went through all the rules to make sure he would not get banned. If he was unsure ask an admin. Sometimes people don't follow understand the rules though. I stroke out, and it was only my 2nd ban, and my first ban on OCRP. I really did not know the rules, but if I was aware that I only needed one ban to strike out I probably would of read the rules over a couple more times then just once. But for people who were banned more then a couple times on the same server, they should read the rules, and know them like their the back of their hand before they come back.
I wasn't unsure, tasers being FearRP isn't in the rules and I saw a post by Statua that said that tasers were not FearRP. So considering an admin said it was not FearRP, I thought I would not be banned for it because by what he said, it wasn't against the rules. I know NOW (the admins and other players keep saying "but it is a rule") but I did not know at the time and was actually under the impression of the exact opposite of what the actual rule it. I'll make it extremely easy for everyone to understand why my ban was complete bullshit. 1. Statua makes a post on a ban appeal saying tasers are not FearRP 2. I read this post and assume that what he says is correct because there is absolutely NOTHING in the rules about tasers being FearRP or not 3. I run from a taser and players report me 4. Admins have a discussion in my ban appeal/report and decide that it is FearRP 5. I get banned for a rule that was decided after I was reported and was actually said by an admin to be ok before I did it Why would I need to ask an admin if it was allowed or not when I already saw an admin say that it was ok to run from the tasers? The post by Statua (it is the first reply in the appeal): http://www.catalyst-gaming.net/index.php?topic=25209.msg182941#msg182941
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« on: June 04, 2013, 05:30:16 PM »
The ban system is terrible in my eyes. Now you are just going to say "you had 5 chances before you got perm banned, it's your fault" but I got banned 5 times for completely different reasons because they fall under common sense. If I am told that tasers are not fear RP, then I figure I am allowed to run, it is bullshit to say "tasers don't feel good, trust me you wouldn't run" because that isn't the rule. It isn't fear rp so I am allowed to run. I also got banned for defending my friend when he was being arrested. I hit a cop and knocked him unconscious. I got 2 days for that and even though it was my first ban they said that since I was with a certain organization that my ban was increased. So instead of getting 12 hours which would not go on my record I get 2 days. Then I get banned for not knowing about /me and I didn't see it in chat. You think I would get kicked for simply missing one single line in chat but instead again I get 2 days. What I am trying to say is I have never purposely broken a rule on your server but yet I get permanently banned. This system is ruining the server. I am not trying to make this a ban appeal but when I see players breaking the rules on purpose and they get the same amount as me when I do something far less severe. Maybe instead of banning you could kick players more. Also if the player isn't constantly getting banned for the same thing then maybe they aren't doing it on purpose. I read the rules countless amount of times, I understand all of them except one. Why would you have a rule called common sense? I was banned for something that is allowed but since apparently in real life a taser hurts you I was banned. Tasers are not fear RP and if I was going to go to jail for a long time and a cop wasn't letting me speak then I would run.
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