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General => General Discussion => Social Discussion => Topic started by: Kaiser Wilhelm I ?DetroitRP on December 30, 2011, 08:36:51 PM
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Gents, I have finally found my candidate that I will follow. Ron Paul will change America, and make it what it is supposed to be. I love politics, and which shows as I am in Speech and Debate in my school. I will right my whole report and ideas when the Iowa Caucuses are over. Put in your thoughts about who you want to be the next president and btw, I am in NYC and supporting a Libertarian is saying something big as 75 percent of NYC are liberials (But Im not, Im a moderate)
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Gents, I have finally found my candidate that I will follow. Ron Paul will change America, and make it what it is supposed to be. I love politics, and which shows as I am in Speech and Debate in my school. I will right my whole report and ideas when the Iowa Caucuses are over. Put in your thoughts about who you want to be the next president and btw, I am in NYC and supporting a Libertarian is saying something big as 75 percent of NYC are liberials (But Im not, Im a moderate)
Santyarev: ... Youre talking about sopa arnt you...
A Fancy Christmas Viking: sopa?
Santyarev: ... Stop online piracy act
A Fancy Christmas Viking: I spend my cash
A Fancy Christmas Viking: yes
A Fancy Christmas Viking: I support sopa
Santyarev: the biggest crapshoot of a bill ever conceived
And you said you were a libertarian, now a moderate. Whu
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wtf is this. I told you I know the stop piracy act by something else. And Im voting libertarian, because he isnt a one sided republican, he wants to have a comprimise between the democrats and republicans
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I would vote for him, if I was old enough by election day *sigh*
I guess I'll just vote in the 2016 election.
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I'm gonna vote Communist...problem?
No jk, I'll either vote for Obama or Ron Paul if he is nominated, If not perhaps a Socialist Canidate...Peta Lindsey or Stewart Alexander.
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I would vote for him, if I was old enough by election day *sigh*
I guess I'll just vote in the 2016 election.
Me too. I should of said I WISH that I could vote.
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Personally The only person I support was Cain and here's why I hate the GOP line up.
Rick Perry: Biggest dumbass ever.
Ron Paul: I really don't think he knows how the world works and hes only under GOP because an't no one gonna vote for any other party than them and the dems.
Bachmann(I think thats how its spelt.): I really don't know much about her.
Personally I hate the fact that when a big canadate comes up the media just hunts for any dirt they can find to destroy him/her(Including the case with herman cain.)
I don't know enough about newt to bring my self to care but of Perry or Paul some how manages to win, I'll move to Canada.
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Cain ended his candidacy with a pokemon quote. He was the damn best. I don't think Ron Paul will get the GOP seat seeing that he's not a hardcore republican. Hehe, I will be 18 for 1 month before November. But I have no idea who I will vote for because my ideals are, although not radical, not fully met by any one person, ever.
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Cain ended his candidacy with a pokemon quote. He was the damn best. I don't think Ron Paul will get the GOP seat seeing that he's not a hardcore republican. Hehe, I will be 18 for 1 month before November. But I have no idea who I will vote for because my ideals are, although not radical, not fully met by any one person, ever.
Compermise was and should always be the basis of American politics.
But alas I see it dwindling.
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I was thinking of Mitt Romney. I myself am getting a bit tired of our government and the idiots that run it. Over the last decade our country has seen some of the worst times with the economy and turmoil. I am honestly not caring this election. I sure as hell am not voting for Obama.
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No jk, I'll either vote for Obama
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Not much of a fan of politics... Im more of a "Get youre goddamn act together, you fucking morons" type of person...
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obama will win.
All the republicans are goofballs
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obama will win.
All the republicans are goofballs
obama's disapproval rating
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McCain to be honest wasn't good. I think he was a republican goofball. Ron Paul is really the best though.
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What the fuck is politics I don't even.
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What the fuck is politics I don't even.
Politics is where one side does a smer job on another to try to get some one in power.
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I don't really have any interest in politics... And I'm Canadian anyways...
Who's Ron Paul :L
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Ron Paul is in no way an ideal candidate, nor would he - in normal circumstances - make an acceptable president. Note, I said "in normal circumstances." Sadly, Ron Paul is better than the other candidates currently, notably Rick Perry, Barrack Obama, and Newt Gingrich.
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If Rick Perry some how gets in I'll move in with Kaz.
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While I try to stray from political discussions, this years election has a pretty clear line. From what I've seen, every candidate, aside from Barack Obama, is a homophobic bigot that has the ideals of the classic extremest Christian, which, I admit, is not a good thing.
Newt Gingrich has, upon election, vowed to end separation of church and state which is clearly outlined in not only the constitution but in the treaty of Tripoli as well. [cited Gingrich's disaster: http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/76090650]
Rick Perry, not much needs to be said, he's clearly showed himself as a homophobic in his recent campaign ad which shows himself as "not afraid to admit he's a Christian" in a nation where 80% of the population is Christian, real brave. [Cited ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PAJNntoRgA]
Michele Bachmann is probably the dumbest person I've ever seen and seems like a distraction candidate. Such a candidate is put into the race just to make another look better, probably Mit Romney.
Mit Romney is practically Rick Perry's twin, he seems to have the same ideas and holds to the same beliefs.
Ron Paul gets a lot of bad attention from the media, mostly due to his previous campaigns, yet he at least knows what he wants. Problem with him is that he's not any better than the rest of them. He, like the others, wants to reinstate don't ask don't tell, which was just recently done away with under Obama.
Obama, while not being our best president I admit, has been the only one of them that doesn't want to infringe on people's rights because of their religious beliefs. In other words; Obama is the only candidate available that abides by the Constitution.
All of these candidates, with the exception of President Obama, have one thing in common; they don't believe in separation of church and state. And what that means to you who don't understand that term is, the state or the Government, in other words, is not allowed to enforce or support a national religion. Picture a world where you are persecuted for being of a Jewish Faith, Muslim or an Atheist. This country was founded on freedom of religion, and its entire purpose of birth was to offer a land free from the church of England, which was a government enforced religion.
There are currently things that due infringe this basic right. For example, take a look at a piece of US currency. See those words that are supposed to be our National Motto? "In God we trust". Now if you, like me, don't believe in a higher power, this implies that you, being a user of this currency, do. I would like to point out that our motto was not "In God we trust" until 1956 when it was changed. It was once "E Pluribus Unum" which translates to "From one, many". [If you want proof of this, look at the back of a Nickle, you can see at the top the words "E Pluribus Unum"]
Another example is our pledge of allegiance which is required to be stated in most elementary schools and implies, with the statement "One nation, under god, indivisible..." that your nation has selected Christianity as its religion of preference. This was not the original pledge. It was changed in 1954 during WWII to find enemies because it was believed they would not say "under god". The original is "One nation, indivisible..." which it should rightfully be and I implore you to, every time you are requested to state the Pledge of Allegiance, to say it in its original form, to oppose a state run religion.
At least their not George H. W. Bush:
"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
Then states:
"Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists."
That, is why whenever you ask me who the worst human being on earth ever was, I will say "H. W. Bush".
In conclusion, you should be able to see that re electing President Obama is the only course of action that will not result in this country's failure to uphold its own principles.
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Ron Paul will lose mainly due to his views on Israel. Lets be truthful, there are many Jews in the media, and when you say something not to their liking, your done. The only reason why Ron Paul is still alive in the race is because he codes his views on Israel. To be honest, no other presidential nominee is bringing something to the table except Ron Paul and (Yes I can't believe I'm saying this) Newt. I don't like Newt, but at least he brings something to the table unlike Mitt Romney who is always complaining and attack Obama. If the republicans want someone in office who is a republican, you best be allowing Ron Paul to be the candidate. Ron Paul is actually liked by many college students (mostly liberals, yes I'm labeling, I don't care). If you choose Mitt Romney as the candidate, this is what will happen: Mitt Romney gets candidacy-> Mitt keeps attacking Obama -> Mitt says the same old crap until we get to November-> Obama is president again.
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The only person I supported this year was Cain for many reasons main one being hes the only fucking black guy who has the balls to run besides obama.
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The only person I supported this year was Cain for many reasons main one being hes the only fucking black guy who has the balls to run besides obama.
No offense but that comment made me lose a lot of respect for humanity.
It shouldn't fucking matter. I was sick of seeing, when Obama was running for president, a bunch of people saying "I voted for Obama because he's black", that's not a fucking reason!
Voting for someone simply because they're a minority is annoying to say the least. Lets take this for an example:
I'm an atheist, and I want to run for president.
The United States is a country made up of 80% Christians.
I'm a minority. By that logic, I should win.
If you think that within the next few decades that it's possible for a non-Christian/protestant to become president, you are sorely mistaken.
There was a poll done to see who would vote based on religion or race to see if there was a trend, the results were stunning:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/black_president_more_likely_than_mormon_or_atheist_/
The scary part is that this poll even has to exist. A person's race or religion shouldn't affect anything. You need to vote for someone based on their political views, nothing else.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2rMnov4Ae8
Here is an Anti- Ron paul video. When someone sees this, ALL Americans will not vote for him.
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The only person I supported this year was Cain for many reasons main one being hes the only fucking black guy who has the balls to run besides obama.
No offense but that comment made me lose a lot of respect for humanity.
It shouldn't fucking matter. I was sick of seeing, when Obama was running for president, a bunch of people saying "I voted for Obama because he's black", that's not a fucking reason!
Voting for someone simply because they're a minority is annoying to say the least. Lets take this for an example:
I'm an atheist, and I want to run for president.
The United States is a country made up of 80% Christians.
I'm a minority. By that logic, I should win.
If you think that within the next few decades that it's possible for a non-Christian/protestant to become president, you are sorely mistaken.
There was a poll done to see who would vote based on religion or race to see if there was a trend, the results were stunning:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/black_president_more_likely_than_mormon_or_atheist_/
The scary part is that this poll even has to exist. A person's race or religion shouldn't affect anything. You need to vote for someone based on their political views, nothing else.
I in no way ment that because hes black means he'd have my support I just made the comment because when He started running people were making comments like "Why would he run their on the same side" And shit like that which in my mind is a forum of racism.
I support Cain because he managed to set up a business and get to the top so if any one had any idea how the HELL the economy it would be him.
Like most of the GOP lineup the Liberal news networks got a hold of any kind of dirt and use it do destroy them.
Like how when those causes of harassment he decided to settle out of court, which is cheaper easier and quicker than going to court and fighting it(Which is good for some one who's on the road like he is.) but the media used that to say "OH HE DID IT, HE USES WOMEN EVEN IF ONE OF OUR FORMER PRESIDENTS HAD AN AFFAIR." which pissed me off.
On a side note church and state aren't separated and haven't been since Benjamin Franklin called a priest in to do a pray when (I think) the government was getting setup.
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Im glad you guys cant vote. Me and purple are the only ones who have the correct political mind. Ok heres my lineup
Cain: cheater, watch his interviews... "lybia... hmm wat went on in lybia again?"
Ron paul: too old, acts like he knows what hes talkin bout
Newt gingrich: traitor, and all he wants to do is get romney to look bad
Rick perry: dumb
Jerry sunderman?: horrible
mitt romney: perfect guy, not a cheater, not a trader, supports the 2nd ammendment, and is a very fit canidate.
the others: just bad canidates...
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Im glad you guys cant vote. Me and purple are the only ones who have the correct political mind.
I like that. "If you don't agree with me, you're wrong."
I'll be completely honest, no matter what candidate I look at, I keep seeing a decline in this nation. My only conclusion being to re elect Obama.
If only we could have Clinton back. He was a fantastic president.
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No i want bush back. He was a great president
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I actually found myself saying the same thing recently when asked who I would vote for. But upon second thought, I haven't truly approved of any president since Clinton.
If I could pick a president to have elected again, dead or alive, I would pick Teddy Roosevelt. HE knew how to run a country, not any of these idiots.
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Dead silent doesnt agree with somone77
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No i want bush back. He was a great president
/facepalm. Even though I know nothing about politics, he's the one that drove the bus that brought this country to hell.
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No i want bush back. He was a great president
/facepalm. Even though I know nothing about politics, he's the one that drove the bus that brought this country to hell.
Then you my friend are a fool.
What happened with the economy was that congress(Which wasn't republican at the time.) passed a bill that made banks make unsafe(Or unprime) loans to try to get more home owners but instead the the banks had to foreclose on said homes and lost a lot of money because of that.
Then the housing market went down the shittier taking the economy with it.
TL;DR
Bush didn't do it congress did he just sighed a bill in to law because he was dealing(Like Obama is now) with a congress that didn't share the same political opinion thus trying to please them and make the US happy he had to do it.
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I sometimes feel that if we did away with the "parties" thing and just had candidates run as "people" we wouldn't have people voting for someone just because they're a democrat or republican. The only downside being that the parties to provide a lot of financial support for the candidates, without, they wouldn't be able to get their feet off the ground.
Dan Brown a Youtube vlogger made a video explaining direct democracy which I think would work in this modern age. We do need a way to do away with the electoral college, that shit's retarded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWG6k5XjFO4
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I sometimes feel that if we did away with the "parties" thing and just had candidates run as "people" we wouldn't have people voting for someone just because they're a democrat or republican. The only downside being that the parties to provide a lot of financial support for the candidates, without, they wouldn't be able to get their feet off the ground.
Dan Brown a Youtube vlogger made a video explaining direct democracy which I think would work in this modern age. We do need a way to do away with the electoral college, that shit's retarded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWG6k5XjFO4
If you want a direct democracy, move to Australia. I don't mean that in the sense "Don't like it? Get out." I mean it in the sense that Australia has a smaller population than the United States which is why it works. Also, the electoral college could exist in a direct democracy, or at least a true one. Textbook direct democracies, and, for example, the Australian government, are where major decisions are put to the people directly. You can see where with a population of around 30,000,000, that's easy, but if you multiply that population by ten - the United States - it becomes more difficult.
Representative democracy doesn't work, seeing as you get many conflicts. I'm curious to ask you if you have read The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. If you haven't, I will summarize Chapter XXII: A prince's personal staff. In that section, Machiavelli outlines a system in which a leader should have a cabinet where members should not be afraid to speak their mind, but only have the right to address the ruler on subjects when asked about them. Such a system would have no other legislative section on a federal level. While one may argue that Niccolo Machiavelli lived in the 16th century, and his opinions are dated, a system where there is one person with complete authority in a legislative branch would work better, as long as there were systems to remove a leader, such as the ability to remove based on popular vote.
Just my $0.02.
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No i want bush back. He was a great president
/facepalm. Even though I know nothing about politics, he's the one that drove the bus that brought this country to hell.
Then you my friend are a fool.
What happened with the economy was that congress(Which wasn't republican at the time.) passed a bill that made banks make unsafe(Or unprime) loans to try to get more home owners but instead the the banks had to foreclose on said homes and lost a lot of money because of that.
Then the housing market went down the shittier taking the economy with it.
TL;DR
Bush didn't do it congress did he just sighed a bill in to law because he was dealing(Like Obama is now) with a congress that didn't share the same political opinion thus trying to please them and make the US happy he had to do it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2004
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_2000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2000
Please read these pages and then perhaps you'd like to explain how a minority Democratic party passed a bank deregulation bill...or perhaps you're thinking of this bill passed by the MAJORITY Republicans...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Growth_and_Tax_Relief_Reconciliation_Act_of_2001
And on the topic of Bush being a great president...are you forgetting the Patriot Act? Or perhaps his total ruining of the EPA and placement of men with terrible records on environmental issues because...they were all people from companies that totally disregarded laws and guidelines set by the EPA...Perhaps you should get out and read a bit before trying to make a point?
Also Nikolai, a system where the Legislative has one powerful head is much more difficult to balance with all the other branches. The system the US has now is not perfect, far from it, but it's a hell of a lot better then a dictatorship or a 'People's Republic'. We complain a lot about our government but really we should be glad to have the system we have, although I can't help but yearn for more transparency and for the removal of corporate lobbyists and corporate donations that muddy up the representatives views and lead them away from actually voicing their constituents views. The government now is like it was in the late 1800's, so I think we need another Teddy Roosevelt to clean up our shit.
That's my .02 €
Also FEMA...during New Orleans...Look up the Deputy Director...
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I never said he was a great president just people shifting the blame on him(And texas) wrongly.
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I never said he was a great president just people shifting the blame on him(And texas) wrongly.
Bush deserves all the blame he gets, which is less then it should be due to Fox news and friends crying foul when people criticize him or anyone else that was involved in the trainwreck clusterfuck of the Bush presidency. It was Bush who pioneered all the bills that congress signed at the time that are screwing us over now, so it's only fair he get's blamed. As for Texas getting blame...I don't think i've heard anyone blame Texas for anything besides being where Bush came from...
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Off topic lets get back on THIS election.
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Ron Paul is the most truthful person in Government now, unlike all the other candidates at least he is truthful and not a slimy ass like all the others. Plus he forsaw our situation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM
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Damn.. all the idiot young and old people vote for ron paul just because "from what they heard" he was a good president. Guys do some research about every canidate and youll find mitt romney is the best choice. Period.
Just my $0.139027
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I like how condescending you are. It's real inspiring.
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Damn.. all the idiot young and old ponies vote for ron paul just because "from what they heard" he was a good president. Guys do some research about every canidate and youll find mitt romney is the best choice. Period.
Just my $0.139027
Man...you sure are cool and smart, attacking people's opinions and assuming you know why people vote for who they vote for...No, Ron Paul has a strong conscience, and he has a voting record to back it up. a lot of people are fed up with how the government has been slowly but surely been getting deeper and deeper into the cesspool of lying and cover-ups, and Ron Paul is one of the few people in the US government who is actually consistent and speaks his mind freely (The other being Bernard Sanders I-VT) So please, PLEASE, don't assume you know why people vote the way they do, and then don't follow up with calling the biggest sack of lying crap the Republicans could find is the best...
Just my 20 bits
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Your attacking my opinion...
Just my 1023862964028 terabytes :P
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Your attacking my opinion...
Just my 1023862964028 terabytes
Yes but I use facts to back my point up, as much as I hate political ads and the such
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS9SF3vc-A
The video really makes you think 'Gee...Mitt Romney really can't hold a stance unless it's politically viable...I mean for christ sake, I doubt he could even decide if he should wear an american flag lapel, or a flag button...
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Akki hitler.
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Akki hitler.
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