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Title: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Tyrex on July 28, 2014, 09:11:38 PM
Ok so I don't feel like making an extremely long post, but this idea is something I came up with.  I'm sure almost everyone that will read this has seen the Shawshank Redemption.  I thought of a serious RP based on Clockwork or Nutscript that is placed in a Prison.  Instead of making a long post, I'm going to post the basics in a list form:


That's basically everything that I can think of for now.  I made correlations to HL2RP frequently because it would be so similar, just better in my opinion.  With this, the canon isn't disputable, this is current time.  The Guards would be out almost all the time, no "hide in the Nexus bullshit".   Anything planned by the Prisoners riot-wise would have to be kept low key like it should be, no "run into D6 and yell rebellious bullshit".  Everyone would usually be in the same area.  There is a ton of passive roleplaying potential on the right map: basketball, weight lifting, showering, billiards, watching T.V., etc.

Well, that's it for now, I may update it later, please comment on what you think.
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: rBST Cow on July 28, 2014, 09:32:11 PM
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There is a ton of passive roleplaying potential on the right map: basketball, weight lifting, showering, billiards, watching T.V., etc.

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basketball, weight lifting, showering, billiards, watching T.V., etc.

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weight lifting

Now everyone can pretend their swole sitting behind their computer eating Cheetos...



It's a good idea but we couldn't go off of IRL prison. We would have to make it so it's in a similar universe, but not the same. Being in a prison isn't fun, anyone can ask any inmate/ex-prisoner and it's not fun. So why would it be fun if we role-played it? There needs to be a barrier somewhere on the line between realism and fun, or else no one would play because its 1.) Way to unrealistic 2.) Not even fun.
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Tyrex on July 28, 2014, 09:33:50 PM
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There is a ton of passive roleplaying potential on the right map: basketball, weight lifting, showering, billiards, watching T.V., etc.

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basketball, weight lifting, showering, billiards, watching T.V., etc.

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weight lifting

Now everyone can pretend their swole sitting behind their computer eating Cheetos...



It's a good idea but we couldn't go off of IRL prison. We would have to make it so it's in a similar universe, but not the same. Being in a prison isn't fun, anyone can ask any inmate/ex-prisoner and it's not fun. So why would it be fun if we role-played it? There needs to be a barrier somewhere on the line between realism and fun, or else no one would play because its 1.) Way to unrealistic 2.) Not even fun.

Well just look at HL2RP citizens, do you really think they were having fun?  I'm not trying to insult you, I'm just saying it would have been a lot shittier to be a citizen in HL2RP than a prisoner imo.
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: rBST Cow on July 28, 2014, 10:37:43 PM
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There is a ton of passive roleplaying potential on the right map: basketball, weight lifting, showering, billiards, watching T.V., etc.

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basketball, weight lifting, showering, billiards, watching T.V., etc.

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weight lifting

Now everyone can pretend their swole sitting behind their computer eating Cheetos...



It's a good idea but we couldn't go off of IRL prison. We would have to make it so it's in a similar universe, but not the same. Being in a prison isn't fun, anyone can ask any inmate/ex-prisoner and it's not fun. So why would it be fun if we role-played it? There needs to be a barrier somewhere on the line between realism and fun, or else no one would play because its 1.) Way to unrealistic 2.) Not even fun.

Well just look at HL2RP citizens, do you really think they were having fun?  I'm not trying to insult you, I'm just saying it would have been a lot shittier to be a citizen in HL2RP than a prisoner imo.


The citizens had D6. In an actual HL2RP canon, I highly doubt that the combines would allow an /entire/ district to be completely un-moderated and allow the citizens to do a free-for-all. That allowed the bar between fun and realism to be balanced.
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Channy on July 28, 2014, 10:54:52 PM
I think it would bring out really amazing role play. Different Prisoner factions working with and against each other. Crafting systems, corruption, yes this could be amazing if done right.
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: CrunchyKhaos on July 28, 2014, 11:01:36 PM
I would be willing to put my money in to this, and i'm sure others would as well, it's a fresh idea and new game mode, and the idea has been brought up with some people i know in the past, it's a thing people will commonly fantasize about making, and while being different and more intense than a simple Prison Break server we could have something that would possibly bring in new crowds and evolve at a nice pace. It's a good idea with many possibilities, for both systems and RP, I would ask that you give it some heavy thinking before deciding on this, it could be a big boost we need.
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Tyrex on July 28, 2014, 11:03:13 PM
I think it would bring out really amazing role play. Different Prisoner factions working with and against each other. Crafting systems, corruption, yes this could be amazing if done right.
While crafting systems generally don't work well with Serious RP, if it was done correctly, it could have a large, positive, impact.  I think being a Guard would be more fun than being a MPF unit was, considering they work mostly under their own schedule unless ordered otherwise, so corruption is a major possibility.  It is likely that gangs would be made among the Prisoners as well.  I should probably include a judge / jury group as well for rulings over disputes.  Honestly, the thing that made me think of this the most was:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EcLidgEFPo
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Casavant on July 29, 2014, 12:16:56 AM
I like the idea. Something like this would be interesting, and it would give players more things to do.
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Statua on July 29, 2014, 12:46:08 AM
Itl be the same in the way HL2RP is. Fun as fuck until you've done everything. Its too limited.
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: CrunchyKhaos on July 29, 2014, 01:35:21 AM
Itl be the same in the way HL2RP is. Fun as fuck until you've done everything. Its too limited.

Only if we deny it the features suggested here, factions, gang wars, and corrupt guards would be good for constant action, and Roleplay would not be limited, not to mention the possibility of a smuggler, bribing the guards, ect. It's a new game type that the community will agree with, and play when its new, and if we keep events and attention to it such as Riots, prison breaks, ect, they'll continue to play when its old. HRP is old, with few things to do, but it remains populated, this will help us draw in new players and bring back old ones, it can be  a fantastic and positive experience, despite how limited a Prison RP may seem.
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Channy on July 29, 2014, 01:36:36 AM
Itl be the same in the way HL2RP is. Fun as fuck until you've done everything. Its too limited.

Only if we deny it the features suggested here, factions, gang wars, and corrupt guards would be good for constant action, and Roleplay would not be limited, not to mention the possibility of a smuggler, bribing the guards, ect. It's a new game type that the community will agree with, and play when its new, and if we keep events and attention to it, when its old.

Would most likely bring a lot of new players into our community as well.
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Teitoku Ippan on July 29, 2014, 04:58:32 AM
this will get really repetitive and boring really fast and i see less potential rp coming from this than hl2rp

big no
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Tyrex on July 29, 2014, 02:26:07 PM
Itl be the same in the way HL2RP is. Fun as fuck until you've done everything. Its too limited.

This is pretty much the case with every game?

this will get really repetitive and boring really fast and i see less potential rp coming from this than hl2rp

big no

It's because you're looking at it that way, I could do the same thing with HL2RP, "Who the fuck wants to just walk around and get beat up by cops?"

Look, I'm not trying to come up with a masterpiece, just something to bring the community back up.  When someone joins HL2RP, not everyone has played HL2, and there's also a special canon.  This is not the case with this Prison RP, when you join, you know what's going on almost instantly and how things are run.

If someone thinks that this has less potential rp than HL2RP, that's fine, but how long are you willing to wait to get the players onto HL2RP to get this 'potential rp'?
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Krisrules on July 29, 2014, 03:47:38 PM
I feel if this were implemented there is the potential for a new player base, however there are still going to be the few die hard HL2RP'ers that will feel a bit "meh" that their gamemode has been replaced.

Im sitting on the fence here really, the idea was enough to draw me away from HL2RP however I still feel there is still a chance for HL2RP
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Tyrex on July 29, 2014, 03:54:53 PM
I feel if this were implemented there is the potential for a new player base, however there are still going to be the few die hard HL2RP'ers that will feel a bit "meh" that their gamemode has been replaced.

Im sitting on the fence here really, the idea was enough to draw me away from HL2RP however I still feel there is still a chance for HL2RP

I mean we could have both, but the reason I said replacing HL2RP would at least attempt to draw HL2RPers in to try it.  I am an avid HL2RPer, it's basically all the time I have spent on Gmod, but I can't see it coming back with how we are right now.  This way the population wouldn't be split, either, which we can't afford with our current population.
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Teitoku Ippan on July 29, 2014, 04:15:08 PM
i still dont think prison rp is the way to go and it will get incredibly boring and repetitive really fast compared to hl2rp
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Tyrex on July 29, 2014, 04:30:57 PM
i still dont think prison rp is the way to go and it will get incredibly boring and repetitive really fast compared to hl2rp

Could you please explain why?  Just saying "this is dumb", "this will be boring", doesn't help anything.

Nothing will be perfect right off the bat and the only way to improve this would be constructive criticism.
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Teitoku Ippan on July 29, 2014, 04:42:47 PM
when did i say "this is dumb"
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Tyrex on July 29, 2014, 04:44:31 PM
when did i say "this is dumb"

I wasn't saying you said it, I was talking about in general, can we please stay on topic, I don't want this thread derailed like the Outlands one.

Could you please explain why? <Snip>
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Statua on July 29, 2014, 06:30:20 PM
i still dont think prison rp is the way to go and it will get incredibly boring and repetitive really fast compared to hl2rp

Could you please explain why?  Just saying "this is dumb", "this will be boring", doesn't help anything.

Nothing will be perfect right off the bat and the only way to improve this would be constructive criticism.
Roleplay is better the less limits there are as to what you can do. There can be obstacles like the combine in outlands but the limits are almost endless. In this prison rp, it's even more limited then the city. And there's hardly any diversity in stories. It will all be either "I got put in prison cause I did X. I spent time, made friends, fucked up bitches, now I'm free." or "I work as a prison guard and treat them like poo. Its fun."
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Tyrex on July 29, 2014, 06:34:33 PM
Roleplay is better the less limits there are as to what you can do. There can be obstacles like the combine in outlands but the limits are almost endless. In this prison rp, it's even more limited then the city. And there's hardly any diversity in stories. It will all be either "I got put in prison cause I did X. I spent time, made friends, fucked up bitches, now I'm free." or "I work as a prison guard and treat them like poo. Its fun."

Thank you for explaining your argument, Statua.  I can kind of see what you're saying but I just don't get how it's really any more limiting than Outlands or even City.

I'd still like to hear Abbott's reasoning behind his posts, it sounds like he's just trying to avoid it imo.
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Teitoku Ippan on July 29, 2014, 06:42:35 PM
i did state my reasons, prisonrp will be way more repetitive in terms of what prisoners can do and roleplay will be somewhat less creative than what can be done with hl2rp and it will only become stale and depopulated within weeks like most servers

we have a better chance of restarting hl2rp on city 18 (since that map brings in people) than doing this
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Tyrex on July 29, 2014, 06:54:04 PM
i did state my reasons, prisonrp will be way more repetitive in terms of what prisoners can do and roleplay will be somewhat less creative than what can be done with hl2rp and it will only become stale and depopulated within weeks like most servers

we have a better chance of restarting hl2rp on city 18 (since that map brings in people) than doing this

So you want to just change the HL2RP map to C18 and expect it to shoot up in population?  The reason we had so many people on the map in the first place was because it had just launched and 95% of the players on it were CG veterans who some have moved on from CG, stopped playing HL2RP, etc. 

If you have a better idea than that to gain population go ahead and post it.  All I see is you post in suggestions and shut shit down without even thinking about it, yet I never see you post anything to positively impact CG.
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Teitoku Ippan on July 29, 2014, 07:14:56 PM
why are you getting incredibly angry over my criticism lol

i never said "lets just stick hl2rp back on c18" i said lets reboot it back onto city 18 with the shit that has been talked about in the other threads instead of jumping into a roleplay gamemode that will offer even less potential than hl2rp and yet you are getting incredibly butthurt over it and trying to cause drama with it

also i end it here with my shit, and i still say this would not be a good idea for reasons i've stated before it turns into a dramafest
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Tyrex on July 29, 2014, 07:40:56 PM
I'm not angry at you and I like you as a guy, but I'm just saying all I've seen you do is post in suggestions about how bad they are but never contribute yourself.  I'll drop it as well.
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: rBST Cow on July 30, 2014, 03:08:30 AM
City RP is similar to prison RP. You live day to day under oppression and limited freedom from a higher ruler.

Prison RP would need the D6 like city RP had to keep it interesting and fun.
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Tyrex on July 30, 2014, 02:06:40 PM
City RP is similar to prison RP. You live day to day under oppression and limited freedom from a higher ruler.

Prison RP would need the D6 like city RP had to keep it interesting and fun.

It is very similar.  There would still be areas like D6, just not blatantly obvious, areas such as the showers, court yard, etc.  There aren't cameras everywhere, there aren't secret audio bugs, no 'spy' prisoners to prevent resistanceRP from happening in an appropriate location. 

I thought it was dumb to have an area where the 'enemy' couldn't patrol anyways.
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: tics on July 31, 2014, 09:12:23 PM
What I see here:

Replacement for HL2RP - Reskinned HL2RP
Title: Re: Replacement for HL2RP - Prison RP
Post by: Tyrex on July 31, 2014, 10:19:57 PM
What I see here:

Replacement for HL2RP - Reskinned HL2RP

Reskinned and improved HL2RP.
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