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Title: Ration Tests
Post by: Delta1116732 on April 01, 2014, 10:02:37 PM
 So we all know there's muscular citizens, overweight citizens, and just non-malnourished citizens. The idea is to add some sort of chemical to the rations which will stay in the system for X amount of days/hours. If a unit sees a citizen who is overweight or muscular or just clearly NOT malnourished, they are to do a test (or call a nova unit to do it, opinions on this). It could be a pee test or blood test, whichever is fine. Perhaps even if they get a sample of the skin that would work, but it's all up for debate. Now, if this chemical is not found in the system, then the citizen would be charged with possesion of contraband food. If the chemical is found, then it would be assumed that they are eating rations and they are free to go. The whole purpose of this is so that units can do something against these "muscular" and "overweight" citizens because it's IMPOSSIBLE to be overweight or muscular just from eating rations.
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: DrVengeance on April 01, 2014, 10:15:03 PM
CWU sells food.
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: rBST Cow on April 01, 2014, 10:19:59 PM
CWU sells food.

The CWU food still wouldn't be enough to allow you to be "muscular" or "overweight". After speaking to CWU workers themselves, no one buys their stuff. They get little to no business and so how would it be possible since no one even buys their food in this first place? CWU food/items are also UU branded, they essentially check over the things they sell. It's not contraband food they sell, it's Union based things.
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: DrVengeance on April 01, 2014, 10:26:10 PM
CWU sells food.

The CWU food still wouldn't be enough to allow you to be "muscular" or "overweight". After speaking to CWU workers themselves, no one buys their stuff. They get little to no business and so how would it be possible since no one even buys their food in this first place? CWU food/items are also UU branded, they essentially check over the things they sell. It's not contraband food they sell, it's Union based things.

606 buys everyone a lot of food. Greasy Chinese food would affect your weight too
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: rBST Cow on April 01, 2014, 10:36:21 PM
CWU sells food.

The CWU food still wouldn't be enough to allow you to be "muscular" or "overweight". After speaking to CWU workers themselves, no one buys their stuff. They get little to no business and so how would it be possible since no one even buys their food in this first place? CWU food/items are also UU branded, they essentially check over the things they sell. It's not contraband food they sell, it's Union based things.

606 buys everyone a lot of food. Greasy Chinese food would affect your weight too

It's UU sanctioned. There are very little nutrients in CWU food, same with rations. 606 also is dead now. The only way to get big is to eat contraband food, simple as that. I spoke with delta about this on steam, same with waffle, and the whole point of this suggestion is to stop citizens from FailRP'ing and make them face the consequences of being big. Wanna be muscular or overweight? Go for it, eat all the contraband food you want, but there should be a way that units can punish you as it's fairly clear to tell the difference between someone that's malnourished and someone that's not. Citizens also asspull food saying their swole as fuck, even though they have never even RP'ed eating.
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: DrVengeance on April 01, 2014, 10:42:00 PM
CWU sells food.

The CWU food still wouldn't be enough to allow you to be "muscular" or "overweight". After speaking to CWU workers themselves, no one buys their stuff. They get little to no business and so how would it be possible since no one even buys their food in this first place? CWU food/items are also UU branded, they essentially check over the things they sell. It's not contraband food they sell, it's Union based things.

606 buys everyone a lot of food. Greasy Chinese food would affect your weight too

It's UU sanctioned. There are very little nutrients in CWU food, same with rations. 606 also is dead now. The only way to get big is to eat contraband food, simple as that. I spoke with delta about this on steam, same with waffle, and the whole point of this suggestion is to stop citizens from FailRP'ing and make them face the consequences of being big. Wanna be muscular or overweight? Go for it, eat all the contraband food you want, but there should be a way that units can punish you as it's fairly clear to tell the difference between someone that's malnourished and someone that's not. Citizens also asspull food saying their swole as fuck, even though they have never even RP'ed eating.

I thought they were punished
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: Nicknero on April 02, 2014, 06:13:05 AM
So all I have to do is eat lots of cake AND rations, so I can loophole the system?

Not very waterproof now is it?

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Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: rBST Cow on April 02, 2014, 11:04:50 AM
So all I have to do is eat lots of cake AND rations, so I can loophole the system?

Not very waterproof now is it?

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The system isn't going to be bulletproof but it's going to allow units to do SOMETHING instead of NOTHING against citizens who are muscular/overweight. It's quite obvious if you are malnourished and if you are overweight/muscular, go and look up pictures of starving children in Africa then look up pictures of Jay Cutler. Huge difference.
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: Lewis on April 02, 2014, 12:10:21 PM
i've always thought the whole "oh but citizens are completely malnourished" is a load of shite, seeing as how there's hardly anything in the game to even support it

"but oh no, there are no nutrients in the rations!"

then what's in it, sawdust?

Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: BltElite on April 02, 2014, 12:12:34 PM
i've always thought the whole "oh but citizens are completely malnourished" is a load of shite, seeing as how there's hardly anything in the game to even support it

"but oh no, there are no nutrients in the rations!"

then what's in it, sawdust?


I think its not the african child no flesh style malnourished, but you're not going to be at your peak or like we are today in first world countries.
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: Swagile on April 02, 2014, 01:49:59 PM
MPF-04-UNIT-007 radios in:"<:: Got a 10-103M at my 10-20; D1, Plaza. Code 2, prosecuting. Possibly consuming multiple 95's ; TAG 647E."

its as easy as that.

you don't need any chemicals or some shit, if you really must, you can bring them into the medbay and check up on them. but if someone is VISIBLY overweight / muscular, you don't need a chemical to tell you that they are 10-103M or carrying / consuming multiple 95's.

just call it in and/or ask high command if you have permission to amputate 647E.

or did you guys make it so you can't amputate for that anymore???
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: Nicknero on April 02, 2014, 02:13:10 PM
or did you guys make it so you can't amputate for that anymore???
Consuming contraband is in fact a level two offense. Not a level one. Thus indeed, you shouldn't amputate someone because of it. Beat them unconscious and throw them in detainment for 3 to 6 cycles.
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: rBST Cow on April 02, 2014, 02:17:10 PM
or did you guys make it so you can't amputate for that anymore???
Consuming contraband is in fact a level two offense. Not a level one. Thus indeed, you shouldn't amputate someone because of it. Beat them unconscious and throw them in detainment for 3 to 6 cycles.

How about this: If a unit sees a citizen who is muscular or overweight then he would call a NOVA unit for further evaluation. After that, the citizen would get a level two verdict for consuming contraband. Skip the chemical and just train nova for such evaluations.
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: Swagile on April 02, 2014, 02:24:00 PM
or did you guys make it so you can't amputate for that anymore???
Consuming contraband is in fact a level two offense. Not a level one. Thus indeed, you shouldn't amputate someone because of it. Beat them unconscious and throw them in detainment for 3 to 6 cycles.

uhh no??

i am pretty sure if you find 10 ammo boxes on someone, you don't charge them once.

same with food. you don't eat one piece of meat and suddenly become overweight / muscular after exercise. you require several food items, which if stacked, is immediate amputation.
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: NRK on April 02, 2014, 02:33:36 PM
or did you guys make it so you can't amputate for that anymore???
Consuming contraband is in fact a level two offense. Not a level one. Thus indeed, you shouldn't amputate someone because of it. Beat them unconscious and throw them in detainment for 3 to 6 cycles.

uhh no??

i am pretty sure if you find 10 ammo boxes on someone, you don't charge them once.

same with food. you don't eat one piece of meat and suddenly become overweight / muscular after exercise. you require several food items, which if stacked, is immediate amputation.

The unit would charge them once. No need to amputate him 9 times after that.
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: Swagile on April 02, 2014, 02:37:27 PM
or did you guys make it so you can't amputate for that anymore???
Consuming contraband is in fact a level two offense. Not a level one. Thus indeed, you shouldn't amputate someone because of it. Beat them unconscious and throw them in detainment for 3 to 6 cycles.

uhh no??

i am pretty sure if you find 10 ammo boxes on someone, you don't charge them once.

same with food. you don't eat one piece of meat and suddenly become overweight / muscular after exercise. you require several food items, which if stacked, is immediate amputation.

The unit would charge them once. No need to amputate him 9 times after that.

i didn't mean it like that.

i meant, you require several charges of level 2 contraband in order to amputate. just one charge is, like nick said, 3-6 cycles.

fuck why does no one read anymore Q_Q
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: Nicknero on April 02, 2014, 02:52:26 PM
or did you guys make it so you can't amputate for that anymore???
Consuming contraband is in fact a level two offense. Not a level one. Thus indeed, you shouldn't amputate someone because of it. Beat them unconscious and throw them in detainment for 3 to 6 cycles.

uhh no??

i am pretty sure if you find 10 ammo boxes on someone, you don't charge them once.

same with food. you don't eat one piece of meat and suddenly become overweight / muscular after exercise. you require several food items, which if stacked, is immediate amputation.

The unit would charge them once. No need to amputate him 9 times after that.

i didn't mean it like that.

i meant, you require several charges of level 2 contraband in order to amputate. just one charge is, like nick said, 3-6 cycles.

fuck why does no one read anymore Q_Q

You only extend the verdict if the person is CAUGHT multiple times. (In other words, he was punished for consuming contraband before, and after that he is caught doing it again.)
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: DrVengeance on April 02, 2014, 05:35:12 PM
So all I have to do is eat lots of cake AND rations, so I can loophole the system?

Not very waterproof now is it?

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The system isn't going to be bulletproof but it's going to allow units to do SOMETHING instead of NOTHING against citizens who are muscular/overweight. It's quite obvious if you are malnourished and if you are overweight/muscular, go and look up pictures of starving children in Africa then look up pictures of Jay Cutler. Huge difference.

There is a difference between malnourishment and starvation.

Starvation is when the body has ran out of fats/carbs to consume and has resulted in breaking down proteins. Your body is eating itself alive, for survival.

Malnutrition is when you're not sufficiently nourished or you're over nourished. It actually seems daft that citizens would be kept on a state on constant malnutrition, whilst you can still work and function, but you cannot function at your optimum level and could be seen as a chronic illness.
The last time I RP'd malnutrition, I was almost taken in on charges of being drunk.

Starving is malnutrition, malnutrition is not starving. You can in fact be overweight and malnourished.

EDIT: You can also be overweight and suffer malnutrition, on the bases that you could have a high calorie intake, but low nutrition intake.
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: raged on April 03, 2014, 02:04:25 AM
how do people in prisons get muscle if they are fed crappy foods
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: Hazard Time on April 03, 2014, 02:29:14 AM
how do people in prisons get muscle if they are fed crappy foods

In a modern western prison, prisoners have access to exercising equipment and are given balanced meals.  Plus, when you're locked up, there's nothing really to do but read, exercise, and try not to get raped.

Go over to a developing/3rd world country like China where prisoners usually get a bowl of rice a day and you'll find muscles rather hard to maintain.
Title: Re: Ration Tests
Post by: raged on April 03, 2014, 03:31:04 AM
i was being sarcastic

people in prisons are able to develop muscles easier than anybody else because the mentality of having to bulk up to avoid being bashed/raped has a physiological effect on people and encourages muscle growth regardless of what food they eat
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