Catalyst Gaming
General => Suggestions => Topic started by: rBST Cow on September 15, 2013, 11:45:52 PM
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Please make it public. Just lock the entire board. It would be neat to look back on the glory days of CG and see all the autistic shit everyone posted, along with all the flaming that admins and players alike could get away with because yolo. I don't see how it could possibly hurt seeing how we could only view it and not post in it.
Thanks.
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I don't think anybody needs to see Abbott's octopus pornography.
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I don't think anybody needs to see Abbott's octopus pornography.
It's your fault for going to spam. It's not like we would be able to post in it or make any new threads, it would be purely for entertainment.
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Spam is better left sealed away and forgotten. Who knows the evils that could be unleashed back into the world should that vault of immaturity and depravity be reopened.
Seriously though, reopening Spam, even if it's locked and just there as a sort of museum board, would do more harm than good. I'm not just talking about Abbott's octoporn; I'm also referring to the "roast" threads that could potentially reopen old wounds.
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Hazard is pretty much spot on. This is a really silly idea.
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Why not add a whitelist or something to view it. I'd really love to see the stuff people posted, and I'm sure others do too. With a whitelist people who got burnt a lot in spam wouldn't be allowed in so they can't bitch.
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Why not add a whitelist or something to view it. I'd really love to see the stuff people posted, and I'm sure others do too. With a whitelist people who got burnt a lot in spam wouldn't be allowed in so they can't bitch.
Why would you want a whitelist? You'd never be whitelisted for it anyways.
Spam was literally only used to try and piss people off, and get away with it.
People who say that those who got offended with the shit in spam, is their own fault, is full of shit. Everybody did it on purpose, to try and annoy people as much as possible.
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People who say that those who got offended with the shit in spam, is their own fault, is full of shit.
no sry crack-head it wasnt my fault if people see the random as fuck stuff i put in there like octopus porn etc it did say 18+ on the board title so they were well aware of shit like that being in there
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People who say that those who got offended with the shit in spam, is their own fault, is full of shit.
no sry crack-head it wasnt my fault if people see the random as fuck stuff i put in there like octopus porn etc it did say 18+ on the board title so they were well aware of shit like that being in there
It wasn't your tentacle porn shit that was the issue. It was the people using spam as a way to cyber bully others. That not only is harmful to our member base, it's also a good way to get the site taken down in the event some victim takes it to whatever american anti-cyber bully organization. Over the past few years, these organizations have been popping up and laws/acts/whatever have been showing up to control this. Awareness for cyber bullying and its strong link to teen suicide is rising and shit's getting done about it.
Which is why bringing back the archives is not that great of an idea. Now there is easy to access archives of the spam. If waffle wants to further protect the site, it might be a good idea to nuke what's left.
And don't go "oh it was just a joke" because no matter how large of a wall of text you write down about something to not be taken serious, its not a waiver or a legal document. It doesn't automatically change someone's point of view. And it definitely wont stop the organizations to investigate. Thats basically like saying "This is an anti-black rally but we have a guy in the back carrying a sign that says 'this rally is for lols' so its not racist".
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I find it funny how all the people that got burnt really bad in spam don't want the public to have any access to that. Not really related to the thread but it made me chuckle.
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You're the only one who wants Spam reopened, you realize that?
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I personally don't think spam needs to be reopened. I was never really a victim of some sort of harassment or bullying, but it was a poor excuse for players to make fun of others. Even if it said "Do not take anything in here seriously", many people used that as an excuse to go "Hey, I'll post this in here about so-and-so because I can't get in trouble." It's not needed.
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In my opinion the spam forum is like a video game. You are made all aware to go in at your own risk, like playing a video game, if the game is rated M, you know it contains mature content, but still go play it anyways. Spam is just like that, you are told it contains content not to be taken seriously, but yet you still decide to go in and get worked up over it. It really is the person who goes into the spam forum's fault for seeing the crap that is posted.
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In my opinion the spam forum is like a video game. You are made all aware to go in at your own risk, like playing a video game, if the game is rated M, you know it contains mature content, but still go play it anyways. Spam is just like that, you are told it contains content not to be taken seriously, but yet you still decide to go in and get worked up over it. It really is the person who goes into the spam forum's fault for seeing the crap that is posted.
Except not at all since in a videogame, the offensive content isnt directed at you as a person. In spam, all the problems came from people targeting others directly. Spam once upon a time was a decent place filled with stupid videos and pictures and random fandom. Then the rules were lifted and people took that as an advantage to abuse it and target others.
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Well this idea got shot down very rapidly. Not really surprised as a lot of the old members that 'lived' on the spam boards are gone can't be here to support the idea. And then you have the members who where here when the board had first started and know how corrupted it became. All in all, this will probably be denied. Not bad idea of suggesting it, atleast we get what you were wanting out of it.
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Well this idea got shot down very rapidly. Not really surprised as a lot of the old members that 'lived' on the spam boards are gone can't be here to support the idea. And then you have the members who where here when the board had first started and know how corrupted it became. All in all, this will probably be denied. Not bad idea of suggesting it, atleast we get what you were wanting out of it.
the only ones complaining are the ones who were "targeted" and "abused"
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Spam was just an excuse to be a complete dick to each other and get away with it.
Why on earth would we want to open it up as a museum of dumb?
That would set a good example for the community: "Look over here how people treat each other on the forums!"
Yeaahhhno.
And even IF it would ever happen (which it won't) then none of the people wanting it open would get whitelisted anyway.
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Why weren't more rules placed on the spam forums then?
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Why weren't more rules placed on the spam forums then?
Because people couldn't understand what the "enter at your own risk" and what the "18 plus" meant. They come up with stupid excuses but at the end of the day, it's like walking into a strip club and expecting for their not to be any titties.
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Why weren't more rules placed on the spam forums then?
Because people couldn't understand what the "enter at your own risk" and what the "18 plus" meant. They come up with stupid excuses but at the end of the day, it's like walking into a strip club and expecting for their not to be any titties.
Pretty sure it had a rule on flaming others though or at least shouldve, banter is ok but using spam to actually attack others wasn't
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If rules against flaming were in place, it should have been enforced better imo.
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If rules against flaming were in place, it should have been enforced better imo.
I think there were different "versions" of spam. Some time it was and it wasn't. But no admin is going to enforce a rule that no one else enforces because then you'll get bitched at and whatnot. Like the rule with physguns on Hrp. I can't tell you how many times I warned people for keeping it out over and over, so eventually I kicked them because they wouldn't listen. Then I get bitched, even though it's in the rules. But that doesn't even matter, as we won't be able to post in it anyways, we can only view it. Make it so only a selected SAs can whitelist(a large part of the admin team didn't understand what enter at your own risk meant, they are hypocrites for the most part) and yea. If you got burnt a lot, you couldn't view it. Take away admin acess to it too so that way they can't bypass the whitelist, since MANY of them got burnt.
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The reason I bring up legal issues is because someone was bugging me on steam about another user in HRP who cyber bullied him into having an emergent anxiety attack (the ones that send you to the hospital). Whether this was true or not I dont know, but the stuff in spam can be used as evidence in a court case and I want to protect you guys as much as I want to help those in distress.
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Honestly, I couldn't care. I know I was flamed a few times in there, but I kinda honestly wanna see what all was in there again. Like a walk down memory lane, kinda. But thats me.
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I was an admin when Spam existed, and I don't remember getting burnt. Reopening Spam as an unregulated board will only bring Hell. Spam was never meant to be a place where people can burn other members, it was about having fun, joking around, and making sure EVERYONE had a good time. Who exactly is having a good time? EVERYONE. Note the keyword.
Also, Statua is right about cyber bullying. If someone calls a whistle blower group and tells them they've experienced harassment from this site in the form of the Spam board, a simple disclaimer is not going to stop them from pressing charges. Before you can say, "I wouldn't be offended if someone roasted me", then consider that not as many people have the thick skin you have. Some members of our community are very impressionable and WILL take Spam seriously, disclaimer or not.
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I was an admin when Spam existed, and I don't remember getting burnt. Reopening Spam as an unregulated board will only bring Hell. Spam was never meant to be a place where people can burn other members, it was about having fun, joking around, and making sure EVERYONE had a good time. Who exactly is having a good time? EVERYONE. Note the keyword.
Also, Statua is right about cyber bullying. If someone calls a whistle blower group and tells them they've experienced harassment from this site in the form of the Spam board, a simple disclaimer is not going to stop them from pressing charges. Before you can say, "I wouldn't be offended if someone roasted me", then consider that not as many people have the thick skin you have. Some members of our community are very impressionable and WILL take Spam seriously, disclaimer or not.
And that's why we would have whitelists to stop those people from viewing the board. Even some of the SA's so they can't complain (you know who you are, but I still love you :-* )
The reason I bring up legal issues is because someone was bugging me on steam about another user in HRP who cyber bullied him into having an emergent anxiety attack (the ones that send you to the hospital). Whether this was true or not I dont know, but the stuff in spam can be used as evidence in a court case and I want to protect you guys as much as I want to help those in distress.
In all honesty the player just shouldn't be on the internet. If he actually has those attacks and he goes onto youtube and sees all the troll comments/posts/replies/whatever, then it would be a health risk to his/her own saftey. You should really tell them to just stop if the issue is that bad, for their health.
Unrelated to the thread but yea.
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How can you know who is fit and unfit to view a specific board? Who will decide whether someone is unfit to view said board? This whole idea sounds elistist and exclusive.
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Why should we tell people they arent allowed on the internet because they cant handle it? For some people its all they have for a social life (not speaking from experience lol) so how would that work out for them? Cow your idea is good, for those who somehow enjoyed grilling eachother, however please have some empathy and think about this for a bit. This isnt 4chan or any other drama shit site. Its CG which is a gaming community. We want people to stay here.
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How can you know who is fit and unfit to view a specific board? Who will decide whether someone is unfit to view said board? This whole idea sounds elistist and exclusive.
It's pretty obvious to know who got burnt in spam. Have like one admin/sa who didn't get burnt and someone who is unbiased to go through the whitelist. Just make it so you can't apply if you weren't around during the spam days (to reduce the amount of people requesting whitelist, they have no need to see it since they'd have no memories from it) you were auto denied. And it should be exclusive, since only certain people can view it.
Why should we tell people they arent allowed on the internet because they cant handle it? For some people its all they have for a social life (not speaking from experience lol) so how would that work out for them? Cow your idea is good, for those who somehow enjoyed grilling eachother, however please have some empathy and think about this for a bit. This isnt 4chan or any other drama shit site. Its CG which is a gaming community. We want people to stay here.
No I am saying for him not to play video games and whatnot because it's bad for your health. Think of it like some guy has lung cancer and I tell him to stop smoking. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just saying if you get anxiety attacks easily where you have to go to the hospital, something like the internet wouldn't be safe for your health.
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The anxiety thing is a whole different story. I'm talking about the people who have a hard time with socializing IRL but have friends online who give them that social fix. Whether you want to believe it or not, the online world is considered a social atmosphere. It may be different then IRL socializing but hey, if society could understand that different doesn't mean bad then we wouldn't have these problems.
Lets take 2 people for example. John and Jane:
John has no friends at school because he has a speech impediment. Why? because society is an asshole. However, he has made friends online through IRC. Though people at school are assholes to him, when he goes home, he is happy to chat with his pals and shoot some noobs in BF3.
Jane also has no friends at school. She has an issue with her metabolism and depression just makes her eat more. Again, society is an asshole IRL. However, unlike John, Jane's parents dont think the internet is healthy and refuse to let her use it. Instead she sits alone in her room day after day reading goosebumps and falling deeper into the well of depression.
The moral of these 2 scenarios is this. The internet is a new social environment that gives people a second chance to live happy lives. We have rules about flaming and other forms of cyber hate and try to enforce them whenever possible. We have a suitable atmosphere for these second chancers. Why would we want to destroy it?
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The anxiety thing is a whole different story. I'm talking about the people who have a hard time with socializing IRL but have friends online who give them that social fix. Whether you want to believe it or not, the online world is considered a social atmosphere. It may be different then IRL socializing but hey, if society could understand that different doesn't mean bad then we wouldn't have these problems.
Lets take 2 people for example. John and Jane:
John has no friends at school because he has a speech impediment. Why? because society is an asshole. However, he has made friends online through IRC. Though people at school are assholes to him, when he goes home, he is happy to chat with his pals and shoot some noobs in BF3.
Jane also has no friends at school. She has an issue with her metabolism and depression just makes her eat more. Again, society is an asshole IRL. However, unlike John, Jane's parents dont think the internet is healthy and refuse to let her use it. Instead she sits alone in her room day after day reading goosebumps and falling deeper into the well of depression.
The moral of these 2 scenarios is this. The internet is a new social environment that gives people a second chance to live happy lives. We have rules about flaming and other forms of cyber hate and try to enforce them whenever possible. We have a suitable atmosphere for these second chancers. Why would we want to destroy it?
Because CG isn't a therapist and talking is only 90 percent of communication/socializing.
And back to the whitelist, that's why people like that wouldn't be allowed in spam. Someone like, let's say, wakeboarder would be in charge of whitelisting because I think we can all agree he didn't get burnt in spam and never really went in there in the first place. And like I said, you wouldn't be able to post in it, only view it.
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Why would you want it back then? You know the crap that went on in there wasnt very nice and I wouldnt consider it glory days either. Unless you have some sick desire to look through the threads of people getting harassed, there's no need to be in there. The only way I would agree to opening it again to anyone is if you cut off everything post rule revoke since before then they were actual semi-intelligent fun threads.
And you're right, CG isnt a therapist. But its not a battleground either.
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This entire thread is just a huge excuse so that YOU can get access to something that doesn't even exist for the past months or so. (Can't even remember how long ago it was.)
Spam has been removed and ever since the community is so much better. I'm not just saying this because I was one of the few who got 'burnt'. I'm saying it in general.
So why would we even want it back? Read only or not. It's just really stupid and is not going to happen.
And even IF, you won't be whitelisted anyway.
So if that is the case, if for example you know before hand that you won't get whitelisted, you still want to go on with your suggestion? I doubt it, as the only reason you made it is because of your own good and that alone.
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i personally wouldnt mind seeing my old spam threads again but it probably wont happen again unless mr roflwaffle chow master wants to make it read only for my birthday :):):)
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i personally wouldnt mind seeing my old spam threads again but it probably wont happen again unless mr roflwaffle chow master wants to make it read only for my birthday :):):)
I'd like to see my threads from before the chaos. Like the HL2RP vs OCRP comparison lol. Or all the pony threads. Those were the true glory days of spam.
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"hurr i have access to the spam archive and can see all the shit and you cant"
No. Spam was REMOVED for a reason. Not locked. Not hidden. Removed. It caused too much drama and will never come back in any form, viewable or postable.