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Title: Phobias
Post by: Doctor Nice roButt on May 16, 2013, 01:48:03 PM
It seems everyone has a phobia. It would be interesting to see what everyone is afraid of and maybe a reason on why they think they have it. Just a silly thread, I suppose. I'll start off.

I'm a huge a huge germaphobe, although the fear only affects things that have to do with food, body fluids, and hands. I can't touch a plate if it has someone else's food on it. I also can't share food or drinks (which can also be related to the body fluid thing) and I won't eat anything that looks raw. It may of came from an event that happened when I was little. I saw a show on TV where a kid ate a raw burger and almost died. For years I would never eat meat that had even a hint of pink in it. I've gotten past that, but I'm still wary of uncooked food. The body fluid thing is basically the germs that come from, well, body fluids. I'll evacuate a room if someone doesn't cover their sneeze and stuff like that. I also hate shaking hands because I just imagine the little germs crawling all over me when I touch them.

I'm also kinda afraid of blood and the dark. I slept with a night light up until I was around 13 or 14.


If you're maybe drawing a blank or just want to look,  here's a list of phobias. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_phobias)
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: Sexy Frog on May 16, 2013, 02:50:46 PM
I honestly don't have many fears in the irrational regard. Most of my fears are based on reasonable happenings. i only have two notable phobias.

Apiphobia – fear/dislike of bees
This also counts towards wasps. I am very afraid of those things. I know bees don't mess with you unless you mess with them, but I'm traumatized from elementary school after I got stung pretty bad.

Secondly, I don't see it on the phobia list, but I also have a fear of walking over sewer grates and manholes. I don't know why, but I always feel like one day one of those things will give out when I step on it and I'll fall in, so whenever I see one, I walk around it.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: Khub on May 16, 2013, 03:05:47 PM
It seems I share the dislike of bees with Sexy Frog. I usually go inside or find a totally insuspicious reason to go somewhere else. I love summer, minus bees. Not that I'd go into panic when a bee flies by, I just don't like them and try to avoid them anyhow possible.
I used to be afraid of spiders - but I don't really care anymore. I'd obviously get worried about spiders like this (http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTTUfrmxFszK-tX9qT4pv8l9PaT9Q6-_7HP6q52DQYynInChgnd) but no spiders like that live over here.
Heights too. When I'm alone on some watchtower or so, it's alright. When it's a crowded place though, I always get nervous, if there's a slightest chance of me falling out - such as, high areas with low railing or transparent elevators (it's made of glass you know!!1!)
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: GamingZealot on May 16, 2013, 03:19:21 PM
I have a massive fear of mind altering drugs. Thoe being the obvious like LSD, laughing gas, cocian, weed, ect.. I suppose the fear comes from me being a control freak, I hate not being able to control things.

First and biggest example of this fear I can remember is when I was told in one of my health classes in middle school that drug addicts would sometimes put LSD on stickers to get it into them. I have not worn any stickers to this day due to that statement, just in case.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: Pielolz on May 16, 2013, 06:49:21 PM
Apiphobia

arachnophobia

general fear of all insects.

homophobia - just kidding.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: Cogley on May 16, 2013, 07:38:47 PM
i have fear of drowing, dk what its called
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: [ACS Cpl.] Midnightspy007 on May 16, 2013, 08:03:45 PM
I have pediophobia, I hate dolls like this one
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: [LP]GMK-MRL on May 16, 2013, 09:22:54 PM
Achluophobia- fear of darkness

Halitophobia- fear of bad breath

Hadephobia- fear of Hell

Philophobia – fear of love

Taphophobia, Taphephobia – fear of the grave, or fear of being placed in a grave while still alive

Thermophobia – aversion to heat.

Negrophobia – fear/dislike of Black people(Jk)

Psychophobia – fear/dislike of mental illness or the mentally ill.(this is real)

Quite the list, I know.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: GamingZealot on May 16, 2013, 09:41:08 PM
Achluophobia- fear of darkness

Halitophobia- fear of bad breath

Hadephobia- fear of Hell

Philophobia – fear of love

Taphophobia, Taphephobia – fear of the grave, or fear of being placed in a grave while still alive

Thermophobia – aversion to heat.

Negrophobia – fear/dislike of Black people(Jk)

Psychophobia – fear/dislike of mental illness or the mentally ill.(this is real)

Quite the list, I know.

You are one scared S.O.B. Although not sure "fear of bad breath" belongs in quite the same category as "fear of hell". I would be interested in hearing the story of how you developed a few of the fears on your list or your reasoning behind having them. Especially psychophobia, taphophobia, and halitophobia. If its not too personal please do share. :D
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: [LP]GMK-MRL on May 16, 2013, 10:09:14 PM
Achluophobia- fear of darkness

Halitophobia- fear of bad breath

Hadephobia- fear of Hell

Philophobia – fear of love

Taphophobia, Taphephobia – fear of the grave, or fear of being placed in a grave while still alive

Thermophobia – aversion to heat.

Negrophobia – fear/dislike of Black people(Jk)

Psychophobia – fear/dislike of mental illness or the mentally ill.(this is real)

Quite the list, I know.

You are one scared S.O.B. Although not sure "fear of bad breath" belongs in quite the same category as "fear of hell". I would be interested in hearing the story of how you developed a few of the fears on your list or your reasoning behind having them. Especially psychophobia, taphophobia, and halitophobia. If its not too personal please do share. :D

believe it or not, a large collection of these fears began in one day. I can explain it as simply as this:

Stayed at a cousin's house, slept alone in this dark ass room.

I dreamt I got shot, but was still alive. Buried alive at the funeral.

Sunk through the ground and fell into hell.

Once I got there, the emanciated bodies had the most terrible breath. And it was ridicously hot in there.

They were all crazy as fuck and tried to rip at my flesh, but luckily, I some how magically transported to these plains of fields of flowers.

Then I woke up and I literally pissed myself because the room was dark and hot (down in the country w/ no AC). So I thought I was there for real. But my cousin opened the door and I felt better. But I was four so it kinda scarred me.

The love one is just due to a large string of girls I dated. The pussy was nice, but when they started to get too close, gotta break it off.

And each time I did, some drama shit that usually ended up in a fight between me and some new boy went down. I hated it and each time I would get into a relationship, that would happen. So i'm afraid of getting expelled or arrested due to love. Fear of love developed.

There's yo explanations.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: ur mom bob on May 16, 2013, 11:03:21 PM
Secondly, I don't see it on the phobia list, but I also have a fear of walking over sewer grates and manholes. I don't know why, but I always feel like one day one of those things will give out when I step on it and I'll fall in, so whenever I see one, I walk around it.

I died of laughter. Anyway, I am terrified of bugs, any type of fucking bug comes near me  or lands on me, I go crazy.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: DrVengeance on May 17, 2013, 11:25:22 AM
I've never understood the fear of bees myself, as I actually have an avid interest apiculture and want to raise bees and shit. Never been afraid of them.

Merinthophobia- Fear of being bound or tied up.

Hadephobia- Fear of hell.

Batophobia- Fear of heights or being close to high buildings.

And I hate being lost, it makes me feel sick and I can't stand it.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: Dallas on May 17, 2013, 11:44:00 AM
I've never understood the fear of bees myself, as I actually have an avid interest apiculture and want to raise bees and shit. Never been afraid of them.

Merinthophobia- Fear of being bound or tied up.

Hadephobia- Fear of hell.

Batophobia- Fear of heights or being close to high buildings.

And I hate being lost, it makes me feel sick and I can't stand it.

Merinthophobia? Your picture suggests otherwise. Probably because I missed the context of it.

As for Hadephobia... **WARNING: This is going to be a little painful for Catholics/ect** But I am a firm believer that there is no such thing. And therefore you have no reason to fear it.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: GamingZealot on May 17, 2013, 03:12:01 PM
I've never understood the fear of bees myself, as I actually have an avid interest apiculture and want to raise bees and shit. Never been afraid of them.

Merinthophobia- Fear of being bound or tied up.

Hadephobia- Fear of hell.

Batophobia- Fear of heights or being close to high buildings.

And I hate being lost, it makes me feel sick and I can't stand it.

Merinthophobia? Your picture suggests otherwise. Probably because I missed the context of it.

As for Hadephobia... **WARNING: This is going to be a little painful for Catholics/ect** But I am a firm believer that there is no such thing. And therefore you have no reason to fear it.

Phobias are all irrational fears of something, so Hadephobia is no weirder than any other ones listed here. Logically speaking, someone who fears the dark probably knows that no monster is hiding in the darkness to eat him, and someone who fears heights probably knows that if tall buildings were a huge safety risk, precautions would have been taken. Despite logical reasoning, the fear still exhists, so all fears have little to no reasonable basis, yet exhist anyways.

Also, Hadephobia could also potentially refer to simply a fear of karma, and that negative actions you perform could cause you pain and suffering down the road. Although that's more of a stretch.

Finally, you haven't posted YOUR phobias yet Dallas. You should get on that.  :D
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: Scratchie on May 17, 2013, 03:14:52 PM
Trypanophobia is a big one of mine

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Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: ReDrUm?´´?´° on May 17, 2013, 03:28:25 PM
Apiphobia- Fear of bees
Arachnophobia- Fear of Spiders/other arachnids such as scorpians

I'm pretty much scared shitless of anything that's smaller than a rat and has more than 4 legs. Surprisingly, I'm not scared of snakes at all, in fact, I love them.

Those are really the only ones I can think of.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: DrVengeance on May 17, 2013, 04:00:49 PM
I've never understood the fear of bees myself, as I actually have an avid interest apiculture and want to raise bees and shit. Never been afraid of them.

Merinthophobia- Fear of being bound or tied up.

Hadephobia- Fear of hell.

Batophobia- Fear of heights or being close to high buildings.

And I hate being lost, it makes me feel sick and I can't stand it.

Merinthophobia? Your picture suggests otherwise. Probably because I missed the context of it.

As for Hadephobia... **WARNING: This is going to be a little painful for Catholics/ect** But I am a firm believer that there is no such thing. And therefore you have no reason to fear it.

That's based around trust, and the knowledge I can get out if I ever need to.

I'm a straight-up atheist but I went through a phase of deep-reflection over the last year, teetering on the edge of self-destruction, so naturally I pondered hell a lot. The idea of it is terrifying.

IF anything, I only have one phobia, and this of hell. The others stem from a real cause and/or are logical.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: ThatJesus on May 17, 2013, 05:18:51 PM


**Sorry dutch people, this is real. i have this***DUTCHPHOBIA - FEAR OF DUTCH PEOPLE (this happened when I got drivin over by a Dutch man. The man was drunk. I drove on my bicycle and this car comes smashing into my bicycle, the first thing he says: "Is the car alright?"

PHOBOPHOBIA - THE FEAR OF DEVELOPING A PHOBIA :)


HEXAKOSIOIHEXEKONTAHEXAPHOBIA - FEAR OF THE NUMBER "666"

PHRONEMOPHOBIA - FEAR OF THINKING (...I THINK I KNOW A FEW PEOPLE WITH THIS)



These are all real... And I hate number 2.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: Delta1116732 on May 17, 2013, 06:02:37 PM
Arachnophobia – fear of spiders
A big one too. Started when I was about five or six, and my cousin threw my teddy bear into the near by bushes of their back yard. They live in a really shitty place, and I went to grab it because I loved it. As soon as I was looking around for it I couldn't find it, and looked over the fence. I instantly came eye to eye with a huge spider. I nearly shat myself there, and ran off. Never found the teddy that day, and my parents went to look for it but didn't find it o7. But yeah coming eye to eye with the spider scared the shit out of me as it was huge. It might have been my imagination or something of the sort but I hate spiders. I get worried, and nervous even thinking about them.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: rBST Cow on May 17, 2013, 06:40:35 PM
Sucks for you guys that are afraid of bees n spiders. I remember I use to pinch bees in a certain way that if they tried to sting me, it would just hit my finger nail so I wouldn't get hurt. I'd then torture them and shit just for fun. It was a lot of fun  8)
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: ur mom bob on May 17, 2013, 07:11:11 PM
Sucks for you guys that are afraid of bees n spiders. I remember I use to pinch bees in a certain way that if they tried to sting me, it would just hit my finger nail so I wouldn't get hurt. I'd then torture them and shit just for fun. It was a lot of fun  8)

You are a sick person.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: DrVengeance on May 17, 2013, 08:20:59 PM
Sucks for you guys that are afraid of bees n spiders. I remember I use to pinch bees in a certain way that if they tried to sting me, it would just hit my finger nail so I wouldn't get hurt. I'd then torture them and shit just for fun. It was a lot of fun  8)

You are a sick person.

That's sadistic, please get a constructive hobby please. Also phobias plz.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: ReDrUm?´´?´° on May 17, 2013, 10:35:25 PM
Sucks for you guys that are afraid of bees n spiders. I remember I use to pinch bees in a certain way that if they tried to sting me, it would just hit my finger nail so I wouldn't get hurt. I'd then torture them and shit just for fun. It was a lot of fun 

You know there's actually a term for that, that trends in serial killers. Most serial killers torture animals as a kid/teen, before moving onto a serial killer. They call it acceleration. (Learned that from a book I read a while back called "Acceleration" It's a good read.) Just putting that one out there.

Not saying you're going to be a serial killer, just thought someone might care to know.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: rBST Cow on May 17, 2013, 10:40:45 PM
Sucks for you guys that are afraid of bees n spiders. I remember I use to pinch bees in a certain way that if they tried to sting me, it would just hit my finger nail so I wouldn't get hurt. I'd then torture them and shit just for fun. It was a lot of fun 

You know there's actually a term for that, that trends in serial killers. Most serial killers torture animals as a kid/teen, before moving onto a serial killer. They call it acceleration. (Learned that from a book I read a while back called "Acceleration" It's a good read.) Just putting that one out there.

Not saying you're going to be a serial killer, just thought someone might care to know.

Lol, that's funny because my friends say that I'm going to grow up and become a serial killer.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: GamingZealot on May 17, 2013, 10:48:56 PM
Sucks for you guys that are afraid of bees n spiders. I remember I use to pinch bees in a certain way that if they tried to sting me, it would just hit my finger nail so I wouldn't get hurt. I'd then torture them and shit just for fun. It was a lot of fun 

You know there's actually a term for that, that trends in serial killers. Most serial killers torture animals as a kid/teen, before moving onto a serial killer. They call it acceleration. (Learned that from a book I read a while back called "Acceleration" It's a good read.) Just putting that one out there.

Not saying you're going to be a serial killer, just thought someone might care to know.

Lol, that's funny because my friends say that I'm going to grow up and become a serial killer.

Sociopaths don't tend to be serial killers, they tend to be one time violent offenders if anything. Sociopaths generally have anger problems and lack the subtlety to actually pull off multiple murders before being aprehended. So you're more likely to be a rapist or assault someone Cow, so don't worry.

Not that any of this has anything to do with phobias.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: ReDrUm?´´?´° on May 17, 2013, 11:20:26 PM
Hemophobia- Fear of blood.

You were literally sworn into the U.S. military a week ago. wut.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: rBST Cow on May 17, 2013, 11:26:43 PM
Sucks for you guys that are afraid of bees n spiders. I remember I use to pinch bees in a certain way that if they tried to sting me, it would just hit my finger nail so I wouldn't get hurt. I'd then torture them and shit just for fun. It was a lot of fun 

You know there's actually a term for that, that trends in serial killers. Most serial killers torture animals as a kid/teen, before moving onto a serial killer. They call it acceleration. (Learned that from a book I read a while back called "Acceleration" It's a good read.) Just putting that one out there.

Not saying you're going to be a serial killer, just thought someone might care to know.

Lol, that's funny because my friends say that I'm going to grow up and become a serial killer.

Sociopaths don't tend to be serial killers, they tend to be one time violent offenders if anything. Sociopaths generally have anger problems and lack the subtlety to actually pull off multiple murders before being aprehended. So you're more likely to be a rapist or assault someone Cow, so don't worry.

Not that any of this has anything to do with phobias.

I already do that; getting into fights with people at school haha
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: ReDrUm?´´?´° on May 17, 2013, 11:35:27 PM
Sucks for you guys that are afraid of bees n spiders. I remember I use to pinch bees in a certain way that if they tried to sting me, it would just hit my finger nail so I wouldn't get hurt. I'd then torture them and shit just for fun. It was a lot of fun 

You know there's actually a term for that, that trends in serial killers. Most serial killers torture animals as a kid/teen, before moving onto a serial killer. They call it acceleration. (Learned that from a book I read a while back called "Acceleration" It's a good read.) Just putting that one out there.

Not saying you're going to be a serial killer, just thought someone might care to know.

Lol, that's funny because my friends say that I'm going to grow up and become a serial killer.

Sociopaths don't tend to be serial killers, they tend to be one time violent offenders if anything. Sociopaths generally have anger problems and lack the subtlety to actually pull off multiple murders before being aprehended. So you're more likely to be a rapist or assault someone Cow, so don't worry.

Not that any of this has anything to do with phobias.

I already do that; getting into fights with people at school haha

Not meaning to derail this, but you sound pretty proud of the fact that people are thinking you're going to grow to be a violent criminal. That's not a good thing.

Back on topic.

Funny story about hemophobia.

I used to get frequent nose bleeds during winter (At least once a week), and the chick that sat across from me in Spanish was a hemophobe. She was also a huge bitch who belittled every one. Anyways, one day I had a nosebleed in the middle of that class. She saw it, her fucking eyes rolled up in her head like, classic movie shit, and passed out right in front of me, her head hit the desk so fucking hard and made the loudest thud ever. It honestly sounded like someone slammed a 600 page textbook on the desk as hard as possible. I honestly couldn't stop laughing, and didn't feel bad at all about it because it was her (A condescending ho-bag that shit talked everyone who was slightly different than her and the rest of the "popular" crowd.)
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: Sexy Frog on May 18, 2013, 12:11:42 AM
Hemophobia- Fear of blood.

Yes coming from one of the most active medical units.

Holy shit, that is like the prime example of irony right there,
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: Doctor Nice roButt on May 18, 2013, 01:51:37 AM
Wow you guys are weird with your phobias what a bunch of wimps AHAHAHHA
Nah, just kidding. I swear, being scared of some things are so irrational. I think I'm afraid of the dark, or just being afraid of the unknown. Sometimes when it's dark in my house, I have to rush to my room and get under my covers. I'll be telling myself "now, that's so irrational, there are no monsters" while at the same time I'm like "can't get in my house, I go to my room and a force field goes up, I get in my bed and they are all sent to Canada, and my covers mean they're all dead forever." It makes no sense, but my brain goes through that anytime. And it only happens at night. If its 12 or 1 am, I'm fine. I guess cause I consider that morning and not night.

Also, when I was little I couldn't touch the floor of my room because I was scared the skeleton living under my bed would grab my ankles and pull me under. That meant that I used my foot to open far away drawers and I jumped out of my room and ran every time I wanted to leave it. Damn skeleton.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: Delta1116732 on May 18, 2013, 03:59:49 AM
Wow you guys are weird with your phobias what a bunch of wimps AHAHAHHA
Nah, just kidding. I swear, being scared of some things are so irrational. I think I'm afraid of the dark, or just being afraid of the unknown. Sometimes when it's dark in my house, I have to rush to my room and get under my covers. I'll be telling myself "now, that's so irrational, there are no monsters" while at the same time I'm like "can't get in my house, I go to my room and a force field goes up, I get in my bed and they are all sent to Canada, and my covers mean they're all dead forever." It makes no sense, but my brain goes through that anytime. And it only happens at night. If its 12 or 1 am, I'm fine. I guess cause I consider that morning and not night.

Also, when I was little I couldn't touch the floor of my room because I was scared the skeleton living under my bed would grab my ankles and pull me under. That meant that I used my foot to open far away drawers and I jumped out of my room and ran every time I wanted to leave it. Damn skeleton.
Damn I had the same thing was I was little too...I still hate the dark a bit. I believe it's not a fear of monsters really. Saying it's monsters is just a simple way of saying it's something other than what I think it is. I think it's mostly for the fact that you know there is nothing out there it's complete logic. It's mostly of what /could/ happen. One night I woke up at about 3AM in my room hearing growling under the bead. Wasn't my imagination because I thought it was, and stood up. As soon as I stood up my feet got slashed with about 4 paws of my two cats having a mexican stand off at my feet.  Scared the shit out of me. Okay with it now.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: rBST Cow on May 18, 2013, 04:02:22 AM
Wow you guys are weird with your phobias what a bunch of wimps AHAHAHHA
Nah, just kidding. I swear, being scared of some things are so irrational. I think I'm afraid of the dark, or just being afraid of the unknown. Sometimes when it's dark in my house, I have to rush to my room and get under my covers. I'll be telling myself "now, that's so irrational, there are no monsters" while at the same time I'm like "can't get in my house, I go to my room and a force field goes up, I get in my bed and they are all sent to Canada, and my covers mean they're all dead forever." It makes no sense, but my brain goes through that anytime. And it only happens at night. If its 12 or 1 am, I'm fine. I guess cause I consider that morning and not night.

Also, when I was little I couldn't touch the floor of my room because I was scared the skeleton living under my bed would grab my ankles and pull me under. That meant that I used my foot to open far away drawers and I jumped out of my room and ran every time I wanted to leave it. Damn skeleton.
Damn I had the same thing was I was little too...I still hate the dark a bit. I believe it's not a fear of monsters really. Saying it's monsters is just a simple way of saying it other than what I think it is. I think it's mostly for the fact that you know there is nothing out there it's complete logic. It's mostly of what /could/ happen. One night I woke up at about 3AM in my room hearing growling under the bead. Wasn't my imagination because I thought it was, and stood up. As soon as I stood up my feet got slashed with about 4 paws of my two cats having a mexican stand off at my feet.  Scared the shit out of me. Okay with it now.

I had problems like that too, but I just told myself if there was something that I'd beat the shit outta it, so eventually I just got over it. Find ways to just trick your mind, that's what I did.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: cookiesofamerica on May 23, 2013, 09:44:37 PM
I have a phobia living in a Totalitarian state, I don't know what its called though.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: DrVengeance on May 25, 2013, 11:22:25 AM
I've never had a fear of the dark, I've always found it comforting compared to blaring light. I also have photosensitive eyes, which is probably one of the reasons why; nothing I hate more than being blinded.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: Scratchie on May 25, 2013, 02:52:31 PM
Heres some of mine

Slight arachnophobia (fear of spiders)
Minor claustrophobia (fear of tight spaces/having no escape) - Occurs only when in small spaces for a long time
Slight gerascophobia (fear of growing old) - Due to other things, not really the aging part itself
Slight lipophobia (fear/avoidance of fats in food) - Only visible fats like on steaks and shit
Minor ophthalmophobia (fear of being stared at) - Kinda like claustrophobia, makes me feel like the walls are closing in
Major trypanophobia (fear of needles/injections) - Makes me physically shake when confronted about it. Can generally calm myself, but spend time actually avoiding needing to
Slight taphephobia (fear of the grave/fear of being placed in a grave while still alive) - Pretty sure this is common, mostly the secont part
Slight ophidiophobia (fear/dislike of snakes)

There are a few more, but dunno the terms for em.
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: M??tt Smith on July 26, 2013, 08:15:44 PM
Like griff,

Major trypanophobia (fear of needles/injections) - Makes me physically shake when confronted about it.
And bee's
Title: Re: Phobias
Post by: Teitoku Ippan on July 26, 2013, 09:25:05 PM
i only have 1 proper fear:

Apiphobia - fear of bees, also extends to wasps and hornets since they look like bees/wasps
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