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General => General Discussion => Social Discussion => Topic started by: Rory on December 20, 2012, 11:23:40 AM
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So we've obviously heard about the Sandy Hook elementary shooting with 20 children and 6 adults dead. Yes it seems to bother people more than i can say, but what bothers me is when people blame videogames on mass murders. There have been cases of Chinese students killing themselves over games, cases of teenagers in America beating people and stealing cars because of GTA video games... But what video game or how could video games cause a mass murder like this?
This obviously has not been the first time people have blamed video games on mass murders or anything crime related. However, lawyers and people around the world have taken this situation to the point where teachers are asking me to participate in kids in our school getting rid of their violent video games by throwing them in a pile and bulldozing them... I mean this is ridiculous. I've gone as far as playing games like Thrill Kill, Postal 2, or the uncensored version of Manhunt 2... I'm not trying to get a gun and kill people.
Your opinion? Should they blame video games on this? Should i participate in this video game destruction?
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Whoever blames this shit on video games is a fucking retard. Bad parenting is the cause of people doing shit like this.
Nuff said.
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Whoever blames this shit on video games is a fucking retard. Bad parenting is the cause of people doing shit like this.
Nuff said.
What Abbott said is true.
We can't pin all the world's atrocities on media, if we do, why don't we blame television like Fox news? Huh? Society despises change and so we target anything new and all rush to make it our personal pincushion of hate. A lie wrapped in truth is easily accepted, people WANT to believe video games were the cause because it's an easy way of doing it instead of confronting themselves and trying to fix the deep-rooted problems in the Western-World.
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Well there is a boundary in which video games can be blamed.
I personally play all types of shooters, and all the good stuff and I also don't have thoughts of staging a mass murder.
But it's the people who worship the game and say, "Man I want to do that."
All in all people can be very unstable and things like this happen, but should we ban the game even when there are stable people who can control their thoughts and be fine after playing it?
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Video games are never, EVER the cause of things like this. Those who do think this, are really mentally challenged.
A healthy person with no issues will never ever think of doing things like this. So if someone does, it's obvious that they have other problems that caused them to go on the wrong path. Not video games.
That's the easy way to say it.
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Whoever blames this shit on video games is a fucking retard. Bad parenting is the cause of people doing shit like this.
Nuff said.
This.
Just a lot of mentally unstable people in the world anyways.
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Middle aged people blaming video games really don't understand. For example, The Columbine Highschool massacre that occurred some time ago, I've heard all these scientists blame video games... That's really not it.
I looked enough into it and the two highschoolers who actually took part in the massacre had bags of human shit thrown at them, literally. Quite simply as Nick said, bad parenting and extreme cases of bullying and the extreme sense of being an outcast.
A news report even said that the kid/guy who shot up Sandy Hook thought that his mother loved the school (She volunteered at Sandy Hook) more than him. Violent videogames are just a scapegoat for people not understanding that kids are much more douchey than they were say... forty years ago.
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Violent games could be a trigger for a deep rooted mental disorder. Anyone who thinks that they are the problem itself is wrong. Media cannot inspire mental disorders, the disorder came first and the trigger came second. I play a mega ultra fuck load of shooters and things of that nature, I don't want to shoot up a school.
People want something to blame for this terrible thing, so they all lunge at games.
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My hands hurt like hell so I'm going to post in a video that my friend linked me about this that mostly mirrors my opinions of the media going apeshit and the "involvement" of video games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uwAo8lcAC4
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I blame the drugs the doctors give out like candy (mostly antidepressants).
Because the drugs can cause suicide (*cough prozac*) and most of the time they don't really work.
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Violence due to video-games. That is one controversial subject we are talking about these days. Well I may not be Jack Thompson, but I know that video-games are very dangerous. But only in the wrong hands. Most games like CS:S or Cod teach people to shoot. But that's only if you keep close attention of it and look at how the player's character can reload and shoot a weapon. Such games like Doom 2 are controversial due to the fact that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold [The Columbine Shooters] That they learned how to shoot from the game Doom 2. Games do teach people how to use a gun. But they are not intended for that. They are intended for game-play and fun. Not for a killing-spree for idiots. We cannot say that video-games cause violence. Only the mentally-disturbed who play them and take them seriously. There was a shooting in Canada where a person idolized Postal's character Postal dude. We can't learn from history. We cannot take away video games or ban them. All we can do is just play them and accept if some weirdo plays them and kills a bunch of people. Gun laws can't help. Neither can bans or gun restrictions. Somebody is going to get a gun either way. And somebody will kill people not just because of video gaming. And if they ban video-games wouldn't us the consumers stand up against it. Even at the lives of others. People are already dieing for many reasons. Video-games are just a excuse so that anti-gaming activists can blame the consumers that they are the problem and that they should burn video games. I might know that some people may not agree with my examples and ideology. But that's my view of the situation on video-gaming mass murders.
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Violence due to video-games. That is one controversial subject we are talking about these days. Well I may not be Jack Thompson, but I know that video-games are very dangerous. But only in the wrong hands. Most games like CS:S or Cod teach people to shoot. But that's only if you keep close attention of it and look at how the player's character can reload and shoot a weapon. Such games like Doom 2 are controversial due to the fact that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold [The Columbine Shooters] That they learned how to shoot from the game Doom 2. Games do teach people how to use a gun. But they are not intended for that. They are intended for game-play and fun. Not for a killing-spree for idiots. We cannot say that video-games cause violence. Only the mentally-disturbed who play them and take them seriously. There was a shooting in Canada where a person idolized Postal's character Postal dude. We can't learn from history. We cannot take away video games or ban them. All we can do is just play them and accept if some weirdo plays them and kills a bunch of people. Gun laws can't help. Neither can bans or gun restrictions. Somebody is going to get a gun either way. And somebody will kill people not just because of video gaming. And if they ban video-games wouldn't us the consumers stand up against it. Even at the lives of others. People are already dieing for many reasons. Video-games are just a excuse so that anti-gaming activists can blame the consumers that they are the problem and that they should burn video games. I might know that some people may not agree with my examples and ideology. But that's my view of the situation on video-gaming mass murders.
The whole first part of that is wrong, games teaching people how to operate weapons. I've played dozens, hundreds of shooters probably... When I first picked up a .22 rifle during a rabbit hunt in Ireland with my dad and mom's cousin, I thought it'd be easy, just pull the bolt back, aim and shoot. That's the basics, but it takes more than 20 seconds to get to know how to work a weapon, whether or not you've played a game featuring that weapon. My point is, nobody, despite what you may so strongly think, can just pick up a weapon they've never handled except in a video game and shoot it with the precision of a professional. The point is, someone who plays video games has about the same amount of knowledge about weapons as a 50 year ok'd with no exposure to technology.
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Violence due to video-games. That is one controversial subject we are talking about these days. Well I may not be Jack Thompson, but I know that video-games are very dangerous. But only in the wrong hands. Most games like CS:S or Cod teach people to shoot. But that's only if you keep close attention of it and look at how the player's character can reload and shoot a weapon. Such games like Doom 2 are controversial due to the fact that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold [The Columbine Shooters] That they learned how to shoot from the game Doom 2. Games do teach people how to use a gun. But they are not intended for that. They are intended for game-play and fun. Not for a killing-spree for idiots. We cannot say that video-games cause violence. Only the mentally-disturbed who play them and take them seriously. There was a shooting in Canada where a person idolized Postal's character Postal dude. We can't learn from history. We cannot take away video games or ban them. All we can do is just play them and accept if some weirdo plays them and kills a bunch of people. Gun laws can't help. Neither can bans or gun restrictions. Somebody is going to get a gun either way. And somebody will kill people not just because of video gaming. And if they ban video-games wouldn't us the consumers stand up against it. Even at the lives of others. People are already dieing for many reasons. Video-games are just a excuse so that anti-gaming activists can blame the consumers that they are the problem and that they should burn video games. I might know that some people may not agree with my examples and ideology. But that's my view of the situation on video-gaming mass murders.
The whole first part of that is wrong, games teaching people how to operate weapons. I've played dozens, hundreds of shooters probably... When I first picked up a .22 rifle during a rabbit hunt in Ireland with my dad and mom's cousin, I thought it'd be easy, just pull the bolt back, aim and shoot. That's the basics, but it takes more than 20 seconds to get to know how to work a weapon, whether or not you've played a game featuring that weapon. My point is, nobody, despite what you may so strongly think, can just pick up a weapon they've never handled except in a video game and shoot it with the precision of a professional. The point is, someone who plays video games has about the same amount of knowledge about weapons as a 50 year ok'd with no exposure to technology.
Not to mention people who tend to use video games to "Teach" them how to shoot, end up hurting them selves because they don't know how to operate the firearm, or how to manage the recoil.
I can tell you first hand that everything video games teach you about guns is wrong to a point.
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Saying video games are the causes of this stuff is like saying guns are equally to blame. Video games don't exactly take your family hostage and make you commit massive atrocities. Gun don't exactly walk around pulling their own triggers while aiming themselves at people. People who actually take video games to heart have some sort of mental disorder, whether they know it or not. For that much you may as well blame mass murder on TV shows as well instead of limiting the brunt of your horribly misplaced blame on something so simplistic and trivial as a damn object used for entertainment. I don't exactly see shows like Revolution or The Walking Dead showering people with pixie dust and flowers. If anything those shows have 10x more violence and gun usage than most video games of today.
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Violence due to video-games. That is one controversial subject we are talking about these days. Well I may not be Jack Thompson, but I know that video-games are very dangerous. But only in the wrong hands. Most games like CS:S or Cod teach people to shoot. But that's only if you keep close attention of it and look at how the player's character can reload and shoot a weapon. Such games like Doom 2 are controversial due to the fact that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold [The Columbine Shooters] That they learned how to shoot from the game Doom 2. Games do teach people how to use a gun. But they are not intended for that. They are intended for game-play and fun. Not for a killing-spree for idiots. We cannot say that video-games cause violence. Only the mentally-disturbed who play them and take them seriously. There was a shooting in Canada where a person idolized Postal's character Postal dude. We can't learn from history. We cannot take away video games or ban them. All we can do is just play them and accept if some weirdo plays them and kills a bunch of people. Gun laws can't help. Neither can bans or gun restrictions. Somebody is going to get a gun either way. And somebody will kill people not just because of video gaming. And if they ban video-games wouldn't us the consumers stand up against it. Even at the lives of others. People are already dieing for many reasons. Video-games are just a excuse so that anti-gaming activists can blame the consumers that they are the problem and that they should burn video games. I might know that some people may not agree with my examples and ideology. But that's my view of the situation on video-gaming mass murders.
Slow down here, slow down here. The restrictions to individuals in the country who are affected by gun laws atleast slows them down from getting a gun. Get what I mean? Anyways, you may aswell know that you are using many periods in your sentences so uhhhh... mind putting it in paragraphs?
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Alright yeah I think of it as that yeah it can happen to people, and regardless if people say it will never happen to me it can, but its the one in a million people who actually do it. Millions of people play games where you shoot, rob, or even run over people just for entertainment doesn't mean they will arm themselves to the teeth, and murder someone or themselves. It's more of the person who is playing the game if they are totally wanting to kill, and do violent acts before video games then yeah that's a bit of a give away. Someone who does it just to kill time or have fun shouldn't won't do this, and I've also noticed with a more older age that it's almost a label on that all kids have violent thoughts now, and ect. On the other side though video games also provide good traits, and teach kids leader ship such as commanding a small squad of people. They can develop to be strategic by playing games like real time strategy. Maybe even lead them towards a career in gaming or military works. So it has it's up's, and downs basically though in a main point it isn't bad to play violent video games, and yeah it can cause it but it's the one in a million people that actually do something violent. Just because one person does something bad over the cause of a violent game doesn't mean the rest of the hundreds of people who game should suffer.
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I am not being Jack Thompson here everyone, I am actually against it.
My ideology, is that if someone picks up a gun and shoots people than Video Games are just scapegoats.
It bothers me that some people just blame gaming for shooting incidents.
That is like me blaming HL2RP for telling me how to shoot.
Nothing gives you practice to shoot except picking up a gun.
Now I know that Gun Laws control weapons.
But they do not stop people from getting guns.
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold got their weapons illegally.
Weapons are used to keep people from your home and for self-protection.
Someone is going to use a legal 'self-protection' gun and start shooting anyone in his/her way.
I am not saying that we should allow people to kill.
I am saying that if someone kills than how can we stop them from getting weapons in the first place.
Anybody can make a weapon or illegally manufacture weapons.
I know that I have a different ideology to you, but trust me... I know a lot of things about gun laws and weapons.
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It's always blamed on violent video games because that's the only real scapegoat they can place it on without causing a shitstorm in the media. I mean, think about it, other than the internet, where gamers reside, where else are they going to vent about it? They aren't really as able to make a large, public coherent return to the arguement as other scapegoats would, gun laws for an example. If they blamed it directly on gun control/laws, liberals and conservatives would obviously have a big arguement about it on the news, which exists via internet, TV, newspaper, etc. That's personally my take on why they blame it on video games instead of guns, but both those are NOT the reason why this kind of stuff happens in the first place.
This stuff happens because those people aren't mentally right. I mean, what kind of sensible thinking human being would be able to walk into a school, shoot a bunch of kids and some adults, and then kill themself? No person in there right mind with be emotionally okay with something like that, let alone find a logical reason behind it. The people who do stuff like this aren't functioning right in their heads. I've found that American society, and pretty much modern society as a whole, doesn't really want to pay attention to the whole 'mental illness' side of things. I mean sure, on a larger level, people'll think that mentally ill people need help, that there should be a system for them, etc. But if there's someone in your family who's got a real mental illness, who really wants to admit that? Physical illnesses usually cause people to feel sorry, and the common person can somewhat understand their pain, but a mental one? No one really has an idea of what goes on in their mind unless you've experienced that before, creating an awkward, confusing situation. Seeing that, I think it makes it difficult for people to really admit/confront mental illnesses with people they know, especially their family members and close friends. Since nobody close to these people is really tackling their problems and helping them, it just boils around. That's where you get your psycopaths, serial killers, and home-grown terrorists like these people. That's my whole take on this kinda stuff.
Also, I think this should be moved to Table Talk. Seems more fitting for that section! :D
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I love how video games (a popular market for children and young adults) are to blame for most murders, when most of them are genuinely void of WAY too much imitable violence (unless you count this CoD crap which hardly encourages violence, but does add up in army recruitment numbers), but adult soap operas and movies (keep in mind it is adults who commit most murders, not children) are a-OK. Violence in video games relating to real life is just a media tactic and nothing more. Anyone who truly believes this is either a smothering parent or a moron.