General => General Discussion => Social Discussion => Topic started by: Pielolz on November 01, 2012, 01:59:58 AM General => General Discussion => Social Discussion => Topic started by: Pielolz on November 01, 2012, 01:59:58 AMPersonally, I am against it. My biology teacher once told me, "God put you on this Earth to reproduce." How can you reproduce with two men or two women? I just don't think it's right.
Not that I am strongly against it I think the bible teaches that like wakeboarder said you God put you on this Earth to reproduce. Although that isn't strictly true but it's the modern age that has introduced gay marriage it's not something which has been taught which is why it's not looked upon fondly.
I am a religious person, or so I think myself to be (Roman Catholic) and though the catholic church is against the right to gay marriage, I say they should be able to do whatever the fuck they please. I don't really think being gay is a choice, but I'm not quite sure. In the animal kingdom, humans are not the only homosexual animals. Mammals of all kinds are homosexual, and yet they aren't shunned from their prides/clans/whatevertheymaybewithin, unlike today's society, where if you try to come out of the closet any time before college, you're instantly pushed away, as if every single human of the same sex is just your sex toy. I'm quite sure that I don't want to have intercourse with every single woman I see, so if I see a gay person my age, I think the same thing- chances are they don't want to have sex with me, which is fine because I'm straight.Fucking respect man... I wish every religious person shared your attitude.
Even though Christians are taught that gay marriage (Or just BEING gay) is wrong, I was taught that it's still socially acceptable to be gay, and being homosexual can be part of original sin.
I didn't grow up in a gay loving or super modern catholic house. In fact my parents call gay people 'faggots' quite casually, and my sister likes to go up to Portland, where she now lives, and they call it 'Dykeville'
It just gets me heated when my parents act like that, I think everyone is created equally. Thinking otherwise is just fucking ignorant.
I'm religious in the sence I believe in God, but I don't follow many of his teachings, nor do I take the bible at its word about how I should lead my life. That being said I still hate homosexuals for the sole reason they disgust me, and thus I am against allowing them to marry. Hating them to me is the same as hating a spider is to people, I didn't choose to any more than they chose to be gay, and I could probably change my views if I opened up and exposed myself to more gay people, but I feel no reason to so for the forseable future I oppose gay rights.
Personally, I am against it. My biology teacher once told me, "God put you on this Earth to reproduce." How can you reproduce with two men or two women? I just don't think it's right.
I don't agree with gay marriage, just for the pure fact that I think that it isn't natural... The anus is an exit only, lets keep it that way. I have gay friends and all that good stuff, but is this really worth discussing?
I'm religious in the sence I believe in God, but I don't follow many of his teachings, nor do I take the bible at its word about how I should lead my life. That being said I still hate homosexuals for the sole reason they disgust me, and thus I am against allowing them to marry. Hating them to me is the same as hating a spider is to people, I didn't choose to any more than they chose to be gay, and I could probably change my views if I opened up and exposed myself to more gay people, but I feel no reason to so for the forseable future I oppose gay rights.
What's the reason, if any? Just interested, what "disgusts" you? Is it the fact another man might be attracted to you, do you hate gay males as much as lesbian females?
I'm religious in the sence I believe in God, but I don't follow many of his teachings, nor do I take the bible at its word about how I should lead my life. That being said I still hate homosexuals for the sole reason they disgust me, and thus I am against allowing them to marry. Hating them to me is the same as hating a spider is to people, I didn't choose to any more than they chose to be gay, and I could probably change my views if I opened up and exposed myself to more gay people, but I feel no reason to so for the forseable future I oppose gay rights.
What's the reason, if any? Just interested, what "disgusts" you? Is it the fact another man might be attracted to you, do you hate gay males as much as lesbian females?
That's the thing, though. Whenever I ask my parents why they dislike gays, their only reason is "Because they're fucking faggots." Or in more cases, "Because they're fucking dykes."
It's stupid. People grow up hating gays, they don't know why, it was just etched into them, probably because of their parents. I remember I used to complain about gay people to my dad JUST BECAUSE HE INSTILLED IT INTO ME. Unless a roving gang of homosexuals broke into your house and killed your family... I don't really see any logical explanation as to why we should hate gays.
I see absolutely no reason as to why people care what others do. Compare this to something like smoking, who gives a fuck what people do to themselves? People aren't likely to run up to you and blow smoke down your throat, just like gay people aren't likely to run in to your bedroom and start fucking on the floor. Stop giving a fuck what other people do in their free time.
Personally, I am against it. My biology teacher once told me, "God put you on this Earth to reproduce." How can you reproduce with two men or two women? I just don't think it's right.
Your biology teacher is meant to respect the rights of all sexes whether or not.
Frankly, the way society has turned out, it's acceptable, actually, no it was acceptable from the fucking start, wanna know why? It's been scientifically proven that animals have homosexual genes as well, meaning that they would want to mate with the same sex. I find it pretty inhumane to want to stop choice, and bar choice. Frankly, let's think about this (I'm Atheist btw, incoming christian bashing). Christians LOVE to have their own way, soon as they don't get it? NOPE FUCK YOU LALALALA *fingers in ears* They are the pure reason why we aren't 2000 years ahead in technology, why we have not developed even further as a human race and are the main causes of a number of wars (religion in general) This is a huge problem, people are feeling isolated from the world just because their rights are being put into a stranglehold by some faggot with a hat on and a staff. Wanna know something funny? That guy thinks Child Molesting is absolutely fine, fuck that guy, fuck religion, fuck barring rights, and fuck stupid threads like this, we shouldn't have to say whether it's right or wrong, it should just be RIGHT. Simple as, it's in our genetics, we're bi-curious by the time we hit the pubescent stage and that's how nature works, people try out everything, they wonder what it's like and then they notice that they either:
1. Get bored of it and go back to 'normality'.
2. Continue it and notice they enjoy this, change their sexuality.
3. Don't do it and all and put themselves into a closet.
Also, one last thing, fuck the Human Race if they believe this standard is unacceptable, it happens, get a fucking grip.
I don't agree with gay marriage, just for the pure fact that I think that it isn't natural... The anus is an exit only, lets keep it that way. I have gay friends and all that good stuff, but is this really worth discussing?Because marriage is all about sex right? Oh wait, it isn't.
As a moderate liberal, I have no problems when Gays get married, I don't see how it would hurt you other than making someone uncomfortable when they think about a Gay person's sex life in marriage. Some people never have Sex as Gays when they get Married and that's one of the things people do not realize.But I do slightly go against it....since if I even go to a place with a gay dude beside me I get this random number on my phone with some dude saying they like me....shit gets annoying.
My response:
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I'd be flattered if a gay hit on me.
In my opinion, every human being's mind is perverted one way to another (this doesn't mean it's bad) When we have an sexual attraction to someone (or something) Is uh.. shit let me just give an example: If male 1 is attracted to male 2 because of let's say we call this attraction:A. In male's 1 mind is attracted by people with A, and let's say this attraction would be Male only, then in this case Male 1 would be attracted to Male 2. It's the same thing with Male being attracted to Female. (I think i made it more confusing but w/e)
I don't agree with Homosexuality but that doesn't it should be against the law, because it's a person's choice. As human beings our minds are perverted but some minds are more than others.
Now for the "Oh we were born that way." Is bullshit. If that were the case human beings would be able to produce no matter what the sex was. For example: Since Pedophilia is an sexual attraction (and an disorder) then why are they arrested if doctors considered this as a disorder? Wouldn't there be ways of keeping it to a minimum? Like autism for example, if we see symptoms at the first signs like: Unable to speak (My brother has autism and he couldn't speak until a the age of 4.), sameness, stacking. Then It can be treated with mental help. But it's an sexual attraction, so it would be the same thing as my example, it can be the same thing with other crimes that let's say Person A was going to rob Person B, this is a thought created by Person A because of something Person B owns.
In my opinion, every human being's mind is perverted one way to another (this doesn't mean it's bad) When we have an sexual attraction to someone (or something) Is uh.. shit let me just give an example: If male 1 is attracted to male 2 because of let's say we call this attraction:A. In male's 1 mind is attracted by people with A, and let's say this attraction would be Male only, then in this case Male 1 would be attracted to Male 2. It's the same thing with Male being attracted to Female. (I think i made it more confusing but w/e)
I don't agree with Homosexuality but that doesn't it should be against the law, because it's a person's choice. As human beings our minds are perverted but some minds are more than others.
Now for the "Oh we were born that way." Is bullshit. If that were the case human beings would be able to produce no matter what the sex was. For example: Since Pedophilia is an sexual attraction (and an disorder) then why are they arrested if doctors considered this as a disorder? Wouldn't there be ways of keeping it to a minimum? Like autism for example, if we see symptoms at the first signs like: Unable to speak (My brother has autism and he couldn't speak until a the age of 4.), sameness, stacking. Then It can be treated with mental help. But it's an sexual attraction, so it would be the same thing as my example, it can be the same thing with other crimes that let's say Person A was going to rob Person B, this is a thought created by Person A because of something Person B owns.
You make it sound like homosexuality is a disorder yet at the same time you make it sound like people have the choice of being gay or not, did you have the choice of being straight or not?
I'm religious in the sence I believe in God, but I don't follow many of his teachings, nor do I take the bible at its word about how I should lead my life. That being said I still hate homosexuals for the sole reason they disgust me, and thus I am against allowing them to marry. Hating them to me is the same as hating a spider is to people, I didn't choose to any more than they chose to be gay, and I could probably change my views if I opened up and exposed myself to more gay people, but I feel no reason to so for the forseable future I oppose gay rights.
What's the reason, if any? Just interested, what "disgusts" you? Is it the fact another man might be attracted to you, do you hate gay males as much as lesbian females?
That's the thing, though. Whenever I ask my parents why they dislike gays, their only reason is "Because they're fucking faggots." Or in more cases, "Because they're fucking dykes."
It's stupid. People grow up hating gays, they don't know why, it was just etched into them, probably because of their parents. I remember I used to complain about gay people to my dad JUST BECAUSE HE INSTILLED IT INTO ME. Unless a roving gang of homosexuals broke into your house and killed your family... I don't really see any logical explanation as to why we should hate gays.
Though I know you're just making a point, the fact a roving gang of homosexuals broke into your house and killed your family would still more than likely have nothing to do with their sexuality, unless they happened to only do this because they were homosexual and hated straight people or something, just saying :V
But why hate? Hatred is that to be reserved for killers and your enemies; but an innocent man/woman whom likes their same sex? Why?
If it leaves a bad taste in your mouth, then don't think about it, or look away. But for god's sake, don't completely steal some one's right to love because of your skewed morals.
On the subject of religion, separation of Church and state. + God hates no one, and loves all, and made us all equal (Yes, you are infact the complete equal to a gay man!)
In my opinion, every human being's mind is perverted one way to another (this doesn't mean it's bad) When we have an sexual attraction to someone (or something) Is uh.. shit let me just give an example: If male 1 is attracted to male 2 because of let's say we call this attraction:A. In male's 1 mind is attracted by people with A, and let's say this attraction would be Male only, then in this case Male 1 would be attracted to Male 2. It's the same thing with Male being attracted to Female. (I think i made it more confusing but w/e)How could it not be a choice? I couldn't bring myself to like dick in my ass and I'm sure a gay guy would find vagina repulsive. It's not like people wake up one day and think "I WANT TO GET FUCKED IN THE ASS BY 30 MEN AT THE SAME TIME"
I don't agree with Homosexuality but that doesn't it should be against the law, because it's a person's choice. As human beings our minds are perverted but some minds are more than others.
Now for the "Oh we were born that way." Is bullshit. If that were the case human beings would be able to produce no matter what the sex was. For example: Since Pedophilia is an sexual attraction (and an disorder) then why are they arrested if doctors considered this as a disorder? Wouldn't there be ways of keeping it to a minimum? Like autism for example, if we see symptoms at the first signs like: Unable to speak (My brother has autism and he couldn't speak until a the age of 4.), sameness, stacking. Then It can be treated with mental help. But it's an sexual attraction, so it would be the same thing as my example, it can be the same thing with other crimes that let's say Person A was going to rob Person B, this is a thought created by Person A because of something Person B owns.
TL;DR: All Sexual orientations and fetishes are all in perspective of one's mind, in this case we are all bisexuals.
Why does anyone care what someone else does. Saying you shouldn't get married to another man because the bible says so or it's "unnatural" it's not ok is the most ignorant thing you could ever say. I don't care if someone is gay or not, because they are not affecting my life in a negative way.
smt, rofl, thank you.
but to the haters, why can't a man spend his life with some one he loves? You claim emotions now, then respect other people's.
A choice? LOL, you don't get out of the shower, dry off, look in the mirror, then said "Dick sounds appetizing." No, it's more like "Huh, susy is nice, but John makes me blush and turn my head when he approaches. Gosh, I can't think why." At 5
Denying some one's right to the pursuit of happiness is in direct violation of the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land.
Also, god made everyone PERFECT in HIS IMAGE. So you insult God.
No one ever said that we'd be forcing churches to allow it, but the government would recognize gay unions as proper marriage.smt, rofl, thank you.
but to the haters, why can't a man spend his life with some one he loves? You claim emotions now, then respect other people's.
A choice? LOL, you don't get out of the shower, dry off, look in the mirror, then said "Dick sounds appetizing." No, it's more like "Huh, susy is nice, but John makes me blush and turn my head when he approaches. Gosh, I can't think why." At 5
Denying some one's right to the pursuit of happiness is in direct violation of the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land.
Also, god made everyone PERFECT in HIS IMAGE. So you insult God.
Two things wrong with your persuit of happiness thing. One is you don't need a gay lover to be happy, and more importantly that only applies if getting your persuit of happiness doesn't infringe on others, if someone gets off on serial murder we don't allow it even though it might deny him the right. Even if allowing gay marriage wouldn't make countless people unhappy, there is still the issue that you can't force churches to allow gays to be married.
God made man in his image, meaning the fact that we look the way we do is because of him, like the arms and legs deal. However our psyche is completly different so unless I'm saying that arms are ugly and people who have them are bad, I'm not saying anything against God.
No one ever said that we'd be forcing churches to allow it, but the government would recognize gay unions as proper marriage.
Now, comparing gay people to murderers? REALLY? REALLY?
You should slap your self for doing that. Gay people ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SPECTRUM AS MURDERERS, they don't want to cause arm, only to love the people THEY love, and have protection from the government. Comparing them to murderers is going WAY, WAY, WAY, too far.
No one ever said that we'd be forcing churches to allow it, but the government would recognize gay unions as proper marriage.
Now, comparing gay people to murderers? REALLY? REALLY?
You should slap your self for doing that. Gay people ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SPECTRUM AS MURDERERS, they don't want to cause arm, only to love the people THEY love, and have protection from the government. Comparing them to murderers is going WAY, WAY, WAY, too far.
Get married outside fo the church? I still find it disgusting but I'm sure more people would accept it if that happened.
And are you seriously saying gay people can't be murderers? That all gay people just want to love and be marry? You're either idealistic or a fool, although I consider those practically the same thing. That asside, I was simply using murderers as an example of how your persuit of happiness can be overridden if it stomps on others. Want other examples then? Drunk driving, marajuana, public nudity, you name it.
Call me out if I'm wrong but from what I'm seeing the religious people or people who have had religious upbringings seem to disagree. To me this seems bad, I respect anyone's religious believes but should these beliefs be used to stop and fight against two ordinary people from loving one another?
They're not even frickin' close, one causes harm to other people, the other just wants the ability to legally wed.
Tell me, why should two people not be allowed to marry just because it disgust you?
They're not fucking flashing, they're not smoking pot, and they're not driving drunk, THEY ARE GETTING MARRIED stop trying to put MARRIAGE together with violent crimes, ANYONE can commit those crimes, just because they're gay doesn't make them more likely.
They're not even frickin' close, one causes harm to other people, the other just wants the ability to legally wed.
Tell me, why should two people not be allowed to marry just because it disgust you?
They're not fucking flashing, they're not smoking pot, and they're not driving drunk, THEY ARE GETTING MARRIED stop trying to put MARRIAGE together with violent crimes, ANYONE can commit those crimes, just because they're gay doesn't make them more likely.
You're either incredibly dense or a kid, can't tell which. I never said the level of crime was the same, just pointing out the precident. Just because its not on the same level as murder doesn't mean the rules don't apply to it. If you read my comment at all you would know I never said the two were the same. I said I was against same sex marriage because it disgusts me, that's my opinion. Anyone CAN commit those crimes and being gay doesn't increase the chance at all, what I was pointing out is in an earlier argument you implied that every gay person was benign and free from crime, which isn't true. Finally, if you reply once again saying I'm trying to lump marriage in with violent crimes I won't waste the words replying to you. I am merely using examples to point out rules.
I'm against marriage in general.
Marriage should be stricken completely from the government. By having marriage in the government, we bring religion into the government.
The government version of marriage, should be called a Civil Union, weather you're gay, straight, bi, whatever/
If you want to be married, you do it through your church, not through the government.
So no, I'm not against gay marriage because in certain religions, gays aren't stricken from being married
I am; however, against forcing Catholic churches to marry gay people because that would be forcing your religion down their throat.
All in all, Government = Civil Union, Religion = Marriage/Whatever the fuck your religion calls it.
I really should be a politician.
In my opinion, every human being's mind is perverted one way to another (this doesn't mean it's bad) When we have an sexual attraction to someone (or something) Is uh.. shit let me just give an example: If male 1 is attracted to male 2 because of let's say we call this attraction:A. In male's 1 mind is attracted by people with A, and let's say this attraction would be Male only, then in this case Male 1 would be attracted to Male 2. It's the same thing with Male being attracted to Female. (I think i made it more confusing but w/e)How could it not be a choice? I couldn't bring myself to like dick in my ass and I'm sure a gay guy would find vagina repulsive. It's not like people wake up one day and think "I WANT TO GET FUCKED IN THE ASS BY 30 MEN AT THE SAME TIME"
I don't agree with Homosexuality but that doesn't it should be against the law, because it's a person's choice. As human beings our minds are perverted but some minds are more than others.
Now for the "Oh we were born that way." Is bullshit. If that were the case human beings would be able to produce no matter what the sex was. For example: Since Pedophilia is an sexual attraction (and an disorder) then why are they arrested if doctors considered this as a disorder? Wouldn't there be ways of keeping it to a minimum? Like autism for example, if we see symptoms at the first signs like: Unable to speak (My brother has autism and he couldn't speak until a the age of 4.), sameness, stacking. Then It can be treated with mental help. But it's an sexual attraction, so it would be the same thing as my example, it can be the same thing with other crimes that let's say Person A was going to rob Person B, this is a thought created by Person A because of something Person B owns.
TL;DR: All Sexual orientations and fetishes are all in perspective of one's mind, in this case we are all bisexuals.
In my opinion, every human being's mind is perverted one way to another (this doesn't mean it's bad) When we have an sexual attraction to someone (or something) Is uh.. shit let me just give an example: If male 1 is attracted to male 2 because of let's say we call this attraction:A. In male's 1 mind is attracted by people with A, and let's say this attraction would be Male only, then in this case Male 1 would be attracted to Male 2. It's the same thing with Male being attracted to Female. (I think i made it more confusing but w/e)How could it not be a choice? I couldn't bring myself to like dick in my ass and I'm sure a gay guy would find vagina repulsive. It's not like people wake up one day and think "I WANT TO GET FUCKED IN THE ASS BY 30 MEN AT THE SAME TIME"
I don't agree with Homosexuality but that doesn't it should be against the law, because it's a person's choice. As human beings our minds are perverted but some minds are more than others.
Now for the "Oh we were born that way." Is bullshit. If that were the case human beings would be able to produce no matter what the sex was. For example: Since Pedophilia is an sexual attraction (and an disorder) then why are they arrested if doctors considered this as a disorder? Wouldn't there be ways of keeping it to a minimum? Like autism for example, if we see symptoms at the first signs like: Unable to speak (My brother has autism and he couldn't speak until a the age of 4.), sameness, stacking. Then It can be treated with mental help. But it's an sexual attraction, so it would be the same thing as my example, it can be the same thing with other crimes that let's say Person A was going to rob Person B, this is a thought created by Person A because of something Person B owns.
TL;DR: All Sexual orientations and fetishes are all in perspective of one's mind, in this case we are all bisexuals.
If that wasn't sarcasm I would say this(And that assumption was right, then well shit.):
Summary
Sexual orientation isn't through a conscious process it's subconscious. For whatever was the sexual attraction for the sexual orientation to form. (Homo/hetero/bisexual it all outcomes as so) I suppose my robber theory was exaggerated because sexual orientation takes one's mind experience for a long amount of time (It probably can take at least 14 or more years or so (some longer than others) to develop but to let's say a church reconverts that it takes longer because the subconscious has how you say a similar symptom of autism:Sameness). Another reason for people to change there sexual orientation is through experience of let's say An unnamed Male sexual attraction to other males because maybe the experience of females were negative or has witnessed.
Look at this video for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg9cz11SJlU
As you can see this male had to deal with a negative effect of the opposite gender, The unnamed male might think that: "Well if this is what women are maybe I should have a different sexual orientation, where I might not have to deal with this." This problem could be solved through a subconscious process as to choose a different sexual orientation or not to. It's in this case their "choice" whether to choose to stay with their current sexual orientation or change.
Leaving religion aside in it's entirety considering this is mlre of a legal issue, there is no logical reason to ban homosexual marriage. You do not have to agree with it, but it should be entirely legal for two conscenting adults to marry, whatever their gender is. Religious reasoning does not belong in courts or law, only in personal matter does it count.
God dammit our values are at stake here, and what of tradition!? I feel sick to my stomach every time I see a woman wearing pants and voting, and don't even get me started about those damned black people mingling with us good wholesome white folk! They should just STOP IT and quit being so inconsiderate, can't they see their lives upset me? I've been taught since childhood that these things that are bad, and it makes me nauseous every time I see this bullshit!
My children deserve to live in a place where good ole morality reigns supreme! By golly, them black people just aren't like us! Why can't they leave us alone and eat in their own restaurants and swim in their own swimming pools, huh?
And the nerve of women these days, cutting their hair shorter and all... such immoral choices. Women ought to know their place in society, it says so right in the Bible! If we continue to tolerate these lifestyles of sin, it will be the downfall of America.
Our very way of life is at stake! Say NO to gender equality! Say NO to racial equality!
...wait a second...
They're not even frickin' close, one causes harm to other people, the other just wants the ability to legally wed.
Tell me, why should two people not be allowed to marry just because it disgust you?
They're not fucking flashing, they're not smoking pot, and they're not driving drunk, THEY ARE GETTING MARRIED stop trying to put MARRIAGE together with violent crimes, ANYONE can commit those crimes, just because they're gay doesn't make them more likely.
You're either incredibly dense or a kid, can't tell which. I never said the level of crime was the same, just pointing out the precident. Just because its not on the same level as murder doesn't mean the rules don't apply to it. If you read my comment at all you would know I never said the two were the same. I said I was against same sex marriage because it disgusts me, that's my opinion. Anyone CAN commit those crimes and being gay doesn't increase the chance at all, what I was pointing out is in an earlier argument you implied that every gay person was benign and free from crime, which isn't true. Finally, if you reply once again saying I'm trying to lump marriage in with violent crimes I won't waste the words replying to you. I am merely using examples to point out rules.
What exactly do you mean by rules?
Gaming Zealot, what are you doing with your time? How can you hate all these people or find them disgusting? How? I am genuinely intrigued as to how you could be so intolerant. Religion isn't set in stone, you know, it changes over the years, why not let it become more homosexual-tolerant? Also, what's up with the woman rights thing, do you have an issue with gender equality?
Well, for the hate part one of the reasons I hate so many people would probably be my upbringing. My father is an incredibly cynical person who always took the time to explain to me why everyone not in our family is a greedy ignorant dumbass, but other than that probably the rest is natural. The disgust for gays I would imagine comes from being raised in a north eastern all white upper-middle class area. Pinpointing the exact origin of everthing I hate is dificult. As for religion, as I stated in my first post I'm not really a religious guy, my views are not caused by religion. I have many views that completly go against my religion, I'm barely even a Christian. And yes, I have an issue with gender equality, but that's not the point of this discussion.
The disgust for gays I would imagine comes from being raised in a north eastern all white upper-middle class area.
Well, for the hate part one of the reasons I hate so many people would probably be my upbringing. My father is an incredibly cynical person who always took the time to explain to me why everyone not in our family is a greedy ignorant dumbass, but other than that probably the rest is natural. The disgust for gays I would imagine comes from being raised in a north eastern all white upper-middle class area. Pinpointing the exact origin of everthing I hate is dificult. As for religion, as I stated in my first post I'm not really a religious guy, my views are not caused by religion. I have many views that completly go against my religion, I'm barely even a Christian. And yes, I have an issue with gender equality, but that's not the point of this discussion.
Is your north eastern white upper-middle class upbringing the standard upon which millions of other peoples' lives should be valued?
Would you describe your hate as well-defined and with objective cause, or do you just hate things for reasons you can't quite pin down?
At least try and explain your reasons other wise this image will be everyone's thoughts from now on...(http://puu.sh/1lVVA)
Let him hate homosexuals. It's his choice, and he's entitled to his opinion. You guys giving him shit for hating gays is the same thing as him giving you guys shit for accepting gays.
Let him hate homosexuals. It's his choice, and he's entitled to his opinion. You guys giving him shit for hating gays is the same thing as him giving you guys shit for accepting gays.
lol you giving us shit for us giving him shit for giving shit to gays is the same thing as him giving us shit for you giving us shit for accepting gays
Anyway, I do not prevent people from hating homosexuals. While they're at it, however, I enjoy asking them questions that help me better understand their opinions.
He wasn't giving shit to gays though. He was stating his opinion. Also, I wasn't giving anyone shit, I was just saying that you should respect his opinion, something almost everyone on Catalyst refuses to do.
So you're saying it's through genes? Then in that case I like how does one get this gene if it can be passed down through family? If it's a mental disorder we would know by a parent being a carrier of this gene. If you got an article of this type of such thing (and don't give me cba attitude it makes you a hypocrit)In my opinion, every human being's mind is perverted one way to another (this doesn't mean it's bad) When we have an sexual attraction to someone (or something) Is uh.. shit let me just give an example: If male 1 is attracted to male 2 because of let's say we call this attraction:A. In male's 1 mind is attracted by people with A, and let's say this attraction would be Male only, then in this case Male 1 would be attracted to Male 2. It's the same thing with Male being attracted to Female. (I think i made it more confusing but w/e)How could it not be a choice? I couldn't bring myself to like dick in my ass and I'm sure a gay guy would find vagina repulsive. It's not like people wake up one day and think "I WANT TO GET FUCKED IN THE ASS BY 30 MEN AT THE SAME TIME"
I don't agree with Homosexuality but that doesn't it should be against the law, because it's a person's choice. As human beings our minds are perverted but some minds are more than others.
Now for the "Oh we were born that way." Is bullshit. If that were the case human beings would be able to produce no matter what the sex was. For example: Since Pedophilia is an sexual attraction (and an disorder) then why are they arrested if doctors considered this as a disorder? Wouldn't there be ways of keeping it to a minimum? Like autism for example, if we see symptoms at the first signs like: Unable to speak (My brother has autism and he couldn't speak until a the age of 4.), sameness, stacking. Then It can be treated with mental help. But it's an sexual attraction, so it would be the same thing as my example, it can be the same thing with other crimes that let's say Person A was going to rob Person B, this is a thought created by Person A because of something Person B owns.
TL;DR: All Sexual orientations and fetishes are all in perspective of one's mind, in this case we are all bisexuals.
If that wasn't sarcasm I would say this(And that assumption was right, then well shit.):
Summary
Sexual orientation isn't through a conscious process it's subconscious. For whatever was the sexual attraction for the sexual orientation to form. (Homo/hetero/bisexual it all outcomes as so) I suppose my robber theory was exaggerated because sexual orientation takes one's mind experience for a long amount of time (It probably can take at least 14 or more years or so (some longer than others) to develop but to let's say a church reconverts that it takes longer because the subconscious has how you say a similar symptom of autism:Sameness). Another reason for people to change there sexual orientation is through experience of let's say An unnamed Male sexual attraction to other males because maybe the experience of females were negative or has witnessed.
Look at this video for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg9cz11SJlU
As you can see this male had to deal with a negative effect of the opposite gender, The unnamed male might think that: "Well if this is what women are maybe I should have a different sexual orientation, where I might not have to deal with this." This problem could be solved through a subconscious process as to choose a different sexual orientation or not to. It's in this case their "choice" whether to choose to stay with their current sexual orientation or change.
I suppose that means a male lion, who can have as many sexual partners as he wants, figures it makes more sense to have intercourse with another male lion all of a sudden? No. It's genes, occurrences in the brain that as a fetus, were abnormal and caused them to have reverse sexual orientation. Hardly a choice, unless they were a closet homosexual who decided to come out after some time.
Homosexuality and gay marriage is real simple to me...
Homosexuality:
- You don't choose to be gay. How do I know? I'm gay and I didn't wake up one morning and decide to like dick. It just happened.
- If two guys being happy with each other disgusts you, then you disgust me. You need to fucking learn to tolerate people if you want to survive in modern society. Does a black guy and a white girl having a relationship disgust you? I mean really, your arguments sound like those of supporters of segregation in the 1960s.
Gay marriage:
- Religion has no place in a debate on gay marriage for two reasons: the First Amendment, marriage in the Bible often involved multiple wives, concubines, and slaves.
- There are so many (nearly a hundred) benefits to marriage, and it's unfair to restrict that to a man and a woman.
- Don't like gay marriage? Don't marry your own sex! It's really that simple.
My post wasn't just directed at you.Homosexuality and gay marriage is real simple to me...
Homosexuality:
- You don't choose to be gay. How do I know? I'm gay and I didn't wake up one morning and decide to like dick. It just happened.
- If two guys being happy with each other disgusts you, then you disgust me. You need to fucking learn to tolerate people if you want to survive in modern society. Does a black guy and a white girl having a relationship disgust you? I mean really, your arguments sound like those of supporters of segregation in the 1960s.
Gay marriage:
- Religion has no place in a debate on gay marriage for two reasons: the First Amendment, marriage in the Bible often involved multiple wives, concubines, and slaves.
- There are so many (nearly a hundred) benefits to marriage, and it's unfair to restrict that to a man and a woman.
- Don't like gay marriage? Don't marry your own sex! It's really that simple.
Did you not read what I posted?
It's through a subconscious process of one's experience, sometimes sexual orientation is irreversible because what I can tell because it rejects it. It's like how a person can reject a new type of a learning curve because one was taught from a different type of learning curve.
This doesn't mean we should make one's orientationas a social taboo. We should respect their views as I respect the views of a conservative or Buddhist or how one thinks about love,life,religion or politics.
Homosexuality and gay marriage is real simple to me...
Homosexuality:
- You don't choose to be gay. How do I know? I'm gay and I didn't wake up one morning and decide to like dick. It just happened.
- If two guys being happy with each other disgusts you, then you disgust me. You need to fucking learn to tolerate people if you want to survive in modern society. Does a black guy and a white girl having a relationship disgust you? I mean really, your arguments sound like those of supporters of segregation in the 1960s.
Gay marriage:
- Religion has no place in a debate on gay marriage for two reasons: the First Amendment, marriage in the Bible often involved multiple wives, concubines, and slaves.
- There are so many (nearly a hundred) benefits to marriage, and it's unfair to restrict that to a man and a woman.
- Don't like gay marriage? Don't marry your own sex! It's really that simple.
All the people above giving me and people who dislike gays shit about being close minded, don't assume that everyone who hates gays is some redneck living in his trailer. I'm very open minded and have quite a few liberal friends that I enjoy debating with. I have a bunch of radical ideas and beliefs but that doesn't mean I'm uneducated or disgusting, it just means my opinions differ from yours.Homosexuality and gay marriage is real simple to me...
Homosexuality:
- You don't choose to be gay. How do I know? I'm gay and I didn't wake up one morning and decide to like dick. It just happened.
- If two guys being happy with each other disgusts you, then you disgust me. You need to fucking learn to tolerate people if you want to survive in modern society. Does a black guy and a white girl having a relationship disgust you? I mean really, your arguments sound like those of supporters of segregation in the 1960s.
Gay marriage:
- Religion has no place in a debate on gay marriage for two reasons: the First Amendment, marriage in the Bible often involved multiple wives, concubines, and slaves.
- There are so many (nearly a hundred) benefits to marriage, and it's unfair to restrict that to a man and a woman.
- Don't like gay marriage? Don't marry your own sex! It's really that simple.
Homosexuality:
-I agree not a choice, nobody in their right mind would choose to be gay as you end up being the subject of hate and abuse.
-That's like saying I'm disgusted at people who hate spiders or snakes. I didn't choose to hate gays any more than you chose to be gay. I personally don't have an issue with black/white relationships.
Gay Marriage:
-The First Ammendment is actually a reason Religion does have a say in it, in that it says the government cannot make laws restricting the practices of religion, AKA, forcing churches to marry gay couples. Also you are implying that having multiple wives, concubines, and slaves is bad. You are asking people to allow gays to marry, despite how the government will not allow bigomy despite its religious nature, so I could say YOU disgust me because you are trying to insult peoples choices of marriage while only defending your own.
-Marriage was, is, and always should be between a man and a woman. I've previously stated it, you want a legally recognized union, get it done by government officials and name it something else, like civil union. Keep religion out of it.
All the people above giving me and people who dislike gays shit about being close minded, don't assume that everyone who hates gays is some redneck living in his trailer. I'm very open minded and have quite a few liberal friends that I enjoy debating with. I have a bunch of radical ideas and beliefs but that doesn't mean I'm uneducated or disgusting, it just means my opinions differ from yours.Homosexuality and gay marriage is real simple to me...
Homosexuality:
- You don't choose to be gay. How do I know? I'm gay and I didn't wake up one morning and decide to like dick. It just happened.
- If two guys being happy with each other disgusts you, then you disgust me. You need to fucking learn to tolerate people if you want to survive in modern society. Does a black guy and a white girl having a relationship disgust you? I mean really, your arguments sound like those of supporters of segregation in the 1960s.
Gay marriage:
- Religion has no place in a debate on gay marriage for two reasons: the First Amendment, marriage in the Bible often involved multiple wives, concubines, and slaves.
- There are so many (nearly a hundred) benefits to marriage, and it's unfair to restrict that to a man and a woman.
- Don't like gay marriage? Don't marry your own sex! It's really that simple.
Homosexuality:
-I agree not a choice, nobody in their right mind would choose to be gay as you end up being the subject of hate and abuse.
-That's like saying I'm disgusted at people who hate spiders or snakes. I didn't choose to hate gays any more than you chose to be gay. I personally don't have an issue with black/white relationships.
Gay Marriage:
-The First Ammendment is actually a reason Religion does have a say in it, in that it says the government cannot make laws restricting the practices of religion, AKA, forcing churches to marry gay couples. Also you are implying that having multiple wives, concubines, and slaves is bad. You are asking people to allow gays to marry, despite how the government will not allow bigomy despite its religious nature, so I could say YOU disgust me because you are trying to insult peoples choices of marriage while only defending your own.
-Marriage was, is, and always should be between a man and a woman. I've previously stated it, you want a legally recognized union, get it done by government officials and name it something else, like civil union. Keep religion out of it.
Homosexuality:
- You're taught to hate, you're not born with hate.
Gay Marriage:
- No politician is suggesting that churches be forced to marry. Therefore, no, religion does not belong in the argument. We're discussing civil marriage, not religious marriage.
- In history, same sex marriage has happened. (Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions)) You must recognize before debating this that marriage is much older than the Christian faith.
My ex-boyfriend, when we were still dating, sent it to me as advise for my first day of high school :3All the people above giving me and people who dislike gays shit about being close minded, don't assume that everyone who hates gays is some redneck living in his trailer. I'm very open minded and have quite a few liberal friends that I enjoy debating with. I have a bunch of radical ideas and beliefs but that doesn't mean I'm uneducated or disgusting, it just means my opinions differ from yours.Homosexuality and gay marriage is real simple to me...
Homosexuality:
- You don't choose to be gay. How do I know? I'm gay and I didn't wake up one morning and decide to like dick. It just happened.
- If two guys being happy with each other disgusts you, then you disgust me. You need to fucking learn to tolerate people if you want to survive in modern society. Does a black guy and a white girl having a relationship disgust you? I mean really, your arguments sound like those of supporters of segregation in the 1960s.
Gay marriage:
- Religion has no place in a debate on gay marriage for two reasons: the First Amendment, marriage in the Bible often involved multiple wives, concubines, and slaves.
- There are so many (nearly a hundred) benefits to marriage, and it's unfair to restrict that to a man and a woman.
- Don't like gay marriage? Don't marry your own sex! It's really that simple.
Homosexuality:
-I agree not a choice, nobody in their right mind would choose to be gay as you end up being the subject of hate and abuse.
-That's like saying I'm disgusted at people who hate spiders or snakes. I didn't choose to hate gays any more than you chose to be gay. I personally don't have an issue with black/white relationships.
Gay Marriage:
-The First Ammendment is actually a reason Religion does have a say in it, in that it says the government cannot make laws restricting the practices of religion, AKA, forcing churches to marry gay couples. Also you are implying that having multiple wives, concubines, and slaves is bad. You are asking people to allow gays to marry, despite how the government will not allow bigomy despite its religious nature, so I could say YOU disgust me because you are trying to insult peoples choices of marriage while only defending your own.
-Marriage was, is, and always should be between a man and a woman. I've previously stated it, you want a legally recognized union, get it done by government officials and name it something else, like civil union. Keep religion out of it.
Homosexuality:
- You're taught to hate, you're not born with hate.
Gay Marriage:
- No politician is suggesting that churches be forced to marry. Therefore, no, religion does not belong in the argument. We're discussing civil marriage, not religious marriage.
- In history, same sex marriage has happened. (Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions)) You must recognize before debating this that marriage is much older than the Christian faith.
To be funny and loosen up some tension.
It's hilariously ironic that your sig is Face Down, Ass Up and you're supporting gay marriage.
My ex-boyfriend, when we were still dating, sent it to me as advise for my first day of high school :3All the people above giving me and people who dislike gays shit about being close minded, don't assume that everyone who hates gays is some redneck living in his trailer. I'm very open minded and have quite a few liberal friends that I enjoy debating with. I have a bunch of radical ideas and beliefs but that doesn't mean I'm uneducated or disgusting, it just means my opinions differ from yours.Homosexuality and gay marriage is real simple to me...
Homosexuality:
- You don't choose to be gay. How do I know? I'm gay and I didn't wake up one morning and decide to like dick. It just happened.
- If two guys being happy with each other disgusts you, then you disgust me. You need to fucking learn to tolerate people if you want to survive in modern society. Does a black guy and a white girl having a relationship disgust you? I mean really, your arguments sound like those of supporters of segregation in the 1960s.
Gay marriage:
- Religion has no place in a debate on gay marriage for two reasons: the First Amendment, marriage in the Bible often involved multiple wives, concubines, and slaves.
- There are so many (nearly a hundred) benefits to marriage, and it's unfair to restrict that to a man and a woman.
- Don't like gay marriage? Don't marry your own sex! It's really that simple.
Homosexuality:
-I agree not a choice, nobody in their right mind would choose to be gay as you end up being the subject of hate and abuse.
-That's like saying I'm disgusted at people who hate spiders or snakes. I didn't choose to hate gays any more than you chose to be gay. I personally don't have an issue with black/white relationships.
Gay Marriage:
-The First Ammendment is actually a reason Religion does have a say in it, in that it says the government cannot make laws restricting the practices of religion, AKA, forcing churches to marry gay couples. Also you are implying that having multiple wives, concubines, and slaves is bad. You are asking people to allow gays to marry, despite how the government will not allow bigomy despite its religious nature, so I could say YOU disgust me because you are trying to insult peoples choices of marriage while only defending your own.
-Marriage was, is, and always should be between a man and a woman. I've previously stated it, you want a legally recognized union, get it done by government officials and name it something else, like civil union. Keep religion out of it.
Homosexuality:
- You're taught to hate, you're not born with hate.
Gay Marriage:
- No politician is suggesting that churches be forced to marry. Therefore, no, religion does not belong in the argument. We're discussing civil marriage, not religious marriage.
- In history, same sex marriage has happened. (Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions)) You must recognize before debating this that marriage is much older than the Christian faith.
To be funny and loosen up some tension.
It's hilariously ironic that your sig is Face Down, Ass Up and you're supporting gay marriage.
Yea, I'm male. In case you couldn't tell from my avatar, I'm gay.My ex-boyfriend, when we were still dating, sent it to me as advise for my first day of high school :3All the people above giving me and people who dislike gays shit about being close minded, don't assume that everyone who hates gays is some redneck living in his trailer. I'm very open minded and have quite a few liberal friends that I enjoy debating with. I have a bunch of radical ideas and beliefs but that doesn't mean I'm uneducated or disgusting, it just means my opinions differ from yours.Homosexuality and gay marriage is real simple to me...
Homosexuality:
- You don't choose to be gay. How do I know? I'm gay and I didn't wake up one morning and decide to like dick. It just happened.
- If two guys being happy with each other disgusts you, then you disgust me. You need to fucking learn to tolerate people if you want to survive in modern society. Does a black guy and a white girl having a relationship disgust you? I mean really, your arguments sound like those of supporters of segregation in the 1960s.
Gay marriage:
- Religion has no place in a debate on gay marriage for two reasons: the First Amendment, marriage in the Bible often involved multiple wives, concubines, and slaves.
- There are so many (nearly a hundred) benefits to marriage, and it's unfair to restrict that to a man and a woman.
- Don't like gay marriage? Don't marry your own sex! It's really that simple.
Homosexuality:
-I agree not a choice, nobody in their right mind would choose to be gay as you end up being the subject of hate and abuse.
-That's like saying I'm disgusted at people who hate spiders or snakes. I didn't choose to hate gays any more than you chose to be gay. I personally don't have an issue with black/white relationships.
Gay Marriage:
-The First Ammendment is actually a reason Religion does have a say in it, in that it says the government cannot make laws restricting the practices of religion, AKA, forcing churches to marry gay couples. Also you are implying that having multiple wives, concubines, and slaves is bad. You are asking people to allow gays to marry, despite how the government will not allow bigomy despite its religious nature, so I could say YOU disgust me because you are trying to insult peoples choices of marriage while only defending your own.
-Marriage was, is, and always should be between a man and a woman. I've previously stated it, you want a legally recognized union, get it done by government officials and name it something else, like civil union. Keep religion out of it.
Homosexuality:
- You're taught to hate, you're not born with hate.
Gay Marriage:
- No politician is suggesting that churches be forced to marry. Therefore, no, religion does not belong in the argument. We're discussing civil marriage, not religious marriage.
- In history, same sex marriage has happened. (Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions)) You must recognize before debating this that marriage is much older than the Christian faith.
To be funny and loosen up some tension.
It's hilariously ironic that your sig is Face Down, Ass Up and you're supporting gay marriage.
Good advice. I now give him slight props. But the purpose of the joke was to point out....the ironic homosexuality....if you're a male at all....idk i'm confusing myself.
Yea, I'm male. In case you couldn't tell from my avatar, I'm gay.My ex-boyfriend, when we were still dating, sent it to me as advise for my first day of high school :3All the people above giving me and people who dislike gays shit about being close minded, don't assume that everyone who hates gays is some redneck living in his trailer. I'm very open minded and have quite a few liberal friends that I enjoy debating with. I have a bunch of radical ideas and beliefs but that doesn't mean I'm uneducated or disgusting, it just means my opinions differ from yours.Homosexuality and gay marriage is real simple to me...
Homosexuality:
- You don't choose to be gay. How do I know? I'm gay and I didn't wake up one morning and decide to like dick. It just happened.
- If two guys being happy with each other disgusts you, then you disgust me. You need to fucking learn to tolerate people if you want to survive in modern society. Does a black guy and a white girl having a relationship disgust you? I mean really, your arguments sound like those of supporters of segregation in the 1960s.
Gay marriage:
- Religion has no place in a debate on gay marriage for two reasons: the First Amendment, marriage in the Bible often involved multiple wives, concubines, and slaves.
- There are so many (nearly a hundred) benefits to marriage, and it's unfair to restrict that to a man and a woman.
- Don't like gay marriage? Don't marry your own sex! It's really that simple.
Homosexuality:
-I agree not a choice, nobody in their right mind would choose to be gay as you end up being the subject of hate and abuse.
-That's like saying I'm disgusted at people who hate spiders or snakes. I didn't choose to hate gays any more than you chose to be gay. I personally don't have an issue with black/white relationships.
Gay Marriage:
-The First Ammendment is actually a reason Religion does have a say in it, in that it says the government cannot make laws restricting the practices of religion, AKA, forcing churches to marry gay couples. Also you are implying that having multiple wives, concubines, and slaves is bad. You are asking people to allow gays to marry, despite how the government will not allow bigomy despite its religious nature, so I could say YOU disgust me because you are trying to insult peoples choices of marriage while only defending your own.
-Marriage was, is, and always should be between a man and a woman. I've previously stated it, you want a legally recognized union, get it done by government officials and name it something else, like civil union. Keep religion out of it.
Homosexuality:
- You're taught to hate, you're not born with hate.
Gay Marriage:
- No politician is suggesting that churches be forced to marry. Therefore, no, religion does not belong in the argument. We're discussing civil marriage, not religious marriage.
- In history, same sex marriage has happened. (Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions)) You must recognize before debating this that marriage is much older than the Christian faith.
To be funny and loosen up some tension.
It's hilariously ironic that your sig is Face Down, Ass Up and you're supporting gay marriage.
Good advice. I now give him slight props. But the purpose of the joke was to point out....the ironic homosexuality....if you're a male at all....idk i'm confusing myself.
Back on topic please, though.
Yea, I'm male. In case you couldn't tell from my avatar, I'm gay.
Back on topic please, though.
make love, not war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeCLwtWbhEs
Can someone explain to me why people follow the traditions of male-female only marriages in the bible but not the messed up shit that the bible teaches and approves of such as slavery and murder? I was under the impression you were supposed to follow all the teachings of God, but I wouldn't really know. It's a shame people are being denied marriage because of a questionable Deity whose existence cannot actually be genuinely proved.
All the people above giving me and people who dislike gays shit about being close minded, don't assume that everyone who hates gays is some redneck living in his trailer. I'm very open minded and have quite a few liberal friends that I enjoy debating with. I have a bunch of radical ideas and beliefs but that doesn't mean I'm uneducated or disgusting, it just means my opinions differ from yours.Homosexuality and gay marriage is real simple to me...
Homosexuality:
- You don't choose to be gay. How do I know? I'm gay and I didn't wake up one morning and decide to like dick. It just happened.
- If two guys being happy with each other disgusts you, then you disgust me. You need to fucking learn to tolerate people if you want to survive in modern society. Does a black guy and a white girl having a relationship disgust you? I mean really, your arguments sound like those of supporters of segregation in the 1960s.
Gay marriage:
- Religion has no place in a debate on gay marriage for two reasons: the First Amendment, marriage in the Bible often involved multiple wives, concubines, and slaves.
- There are so many (nearly a hundred) benefits to marriage, and it's unfair to restrict that to a man and a woman.
- Don't like gay marriage? Don't marry your own sex! It's really that simple.
Homosexuality:
-I agree not a choice, nobody in their right mind would choose to be gay as you end up being the subject of hate and abuse.
-That's like saying I'm disgusted at people who hate spiders or snakes. I didn't choose to hate gays any more than you chose to be gay. I personally don't have an issue with black/white relationships.
Gay Marriage:
-The First Ammendment is actually a reason Religion does have a say in it, in that it says the government cannot make laws restricting the practices of religion, AKA, forcing churches to marry gay couples. Also you are implying that having multiple wives, concubines, and slaves is bad. You are asking people to allow gays to marry, despite how the government will not allow bigomy despite its religious nature, so I could say YOU disgust me because you are trying to insult peoples choices of marriage while only defending your own.
-Marriage was, is, and always should be between a man and a woman. I've previously stated it, you want a legally recognized union, get it done by government officials and name it something else, like civil union. Keep religion out of it.
Homosexuality:
- You're taught to hate, you're not born with hate.
Gay Marriage:
- No politician is suggesting that churches be forced to marry. Therefore, no, religion does not belong in the argument. We're discussing civil marriage, not religious marriage.
- In history, same sex marriage has happened. (Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions)) You must recognize before debating this that marriage is much older than the Christian faith.
Where in the bible, exact page, line, pargraph and so forth, does it say gay marriage is wrong?
And when did Jesus, day, month, year, context, situation, did he say "Gays are wrong"?
I genuinly want to know.
Where in the bible, exact page, line, pargraph and so forth, does it say gay marriage is wrong?
And when did Jesus, day, month, year, context, situation, did he say "Gays are wrong"?
I genuinly want to know.
There may be more but I don't really know the bible so I just looked a few up.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
Where in the bible, exact page, line, pargraph and so forth, does it say gay marriage is wrong?
And when did Jesus, day, month, year, context, situation, did he say "Gays are wrong"?
I genuinly want to know.
There may be more but I don't really know the bible so I just looked a few up.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
Come @ me
But; you cannot allow such VIOLENT and horrendous writings guide your life, for you will bring yourself unto ruination. Whom dare claims they have the right to murder some one in cold blood for their preferences? Are you God, Zealot? Are you in such lofty position of power to bring death upon some one for their preferences? I doubt you are in such a lofty position; you cannot judge others without bringing judgement upon yourself.
Also, God always preached peace, and equality, whom are you to twist such words into hatred and bile?
Leviticus also says that one must be killed if they wear clothing that is a mix of two different materials, or that if your wife is not a virgin she must be stoned. If you're going to follow any of the principles of Leviticus, you must follow all of them.
No politician is arguing to force churches to marry gays. That's a fact. You can lollygag with your idiotic ramblings all you want and try to disprove it, but you're wrong. Churches would not be required to give service as businesses are. Why? Churches don't perform civil marriages, they perform religious marriages. While many religious marriages are also civil marriages, the church is not the one performing or granting the civil marriage, the state is. Therefore, the only entities that would be required to marry gays are the individual states, not the churches. I refuse to argue with you on this particular point any further until you actually read a book. I am absolutely sick and tired of discussing politics with people who think they know everything without ever actually reading anything about the subject and automatically assuming they're correct.
While you are correct that it cannot be conclusively proven that gays are born gay, it also can't be conclusively proven that the Earth is broken up into tectonic plates. They're both theories. In science, many widely accepted statements are theories. The reality is, that in this day and age, the United States is full of know-it-all jackasses who can look at a fact or widely accepted theory and deny it on zero grounds. A theory is true so long as it isn't proven incorrect by someone. However, I can prove that you are born without hate. Factually, your personality is developed by early childhood interactions. You were taught to hate and you were taught that heterosexuality is "natural" and "right" and you were taught to feel disgust towards two gay men or two lesbian women leading happy, successful lives.
People like you who refuse to tolerate other people will be the downfall of this country. No other nation on the world has more discriminating, bigoted people than the United States. For us being the City on a Hill, we sure do set a poor example. No wonder the world hates us.
I do not agree with calling it a civil union for same-sex couples and a marriage for opposite-sex couples because this is treating gays as second class citizens. Marriage is NOT solely a religious institution. It is, first and foremost, a state institution. People get married for state benefits. The first marriages in ancient civilizations had nothing to do with religion. That is why I don't agree with it.Leviticus also says that one must be killed if they wear clothing that is a mix of two different materials, or that if your wife is not a virgin she must be stoned. If you're going to follow any of the principles of Leviticus, you must follow all of them.
No politician is arguing to force churches to marry gays. That's a fact. You can lollygag with your idiotic ramblings all you want and try to disprove it, but you're wrong. Churches would not be required to give service as businesses are. Why? Churches don't perform civil marriages, they perform religious marriages. While many religious marriages are also civil marriages, the church is not the one performing or granting the civil marriage, the state is. Therefore, the only entities that would be required to marry gays are the individual states, not the churches. I refuse to argue with you on this particular point any further until you actually read a book. I am absolutely sick and tired of discussing politics with people who think they know everything without ever actually reading anything about the subject and automatically assuming they're correct.
While you are correct that it cannot be conclusively proven that gays are born gay, it also can't be conclusively proven that the Earth is broken up into tectonic plates. They're both theories. In science, many widely accepted statements are theories. The reality is, that in this day and age, the United States is full of know-it-all jackasses who can look at a fact or widely accepted theory and deny it on zero grounds. A theory is true so long as it isn't proven incorrect by someone. However, I can prove that you are born without hate. Factually, your personality is developed by early childhood interactions. You were taught to hate and you were taught that heterosexuality is "natural" and "right" and you were taught to feel disgust towards two gay men or two lesbian women leading happy, successful lives.
People like you who refuse to tolerate other people will be the downfall of this country. No other nation on the world has more discriminating, bigoted people than the United States. For us being the City on a Hill, we sure do set a poor example. No wonder the world hates us.
I feel almost like just posting "You mad bro?" and leaving this board, because your wording has already made it obvious that I've won the argument just by getting under your skin, but I'll take a short time to answer you. For the last time, I was simply citing bible quotes as requested, I do not use the bible to dictate what I should and should not do. I refuse to argue with you on the second point on the grounds that, just like a stated in my last post, despite all your preening about it not being a religious thing, you still refuse to agree with the idea of changing its name to Civil Union and seperating it completly from the church. You cannot conclusivly prove that I was not born with a revulsion towards gays. There are many things we don't know about the psyche upon birth and in the period afterwards when the brain developes. If we were to assume that you were born gay, it means it couldn't be a gene thing, with all the time humans have been around, the innability for gays to effectively reproduce would have seen it eliminated a long time ago. This means the most likely cause would be a complication durring birth, otherwise known as a DEFECT. Not something to be accepted and fused into society without a thought, something to be researched, cured, and eliminated. I personallyfind it more likely that being gay is either dictated by experience in society durring childhood, or a mix of both defects and experiences. Either way I see no reason for it to be embraced.
I don't really appreciate you insinuating I'm intollerant, I have no issues with many people generally discriminated against, such as blacks or asians. And saying we have more intolerant people than any other country is both debatable and biased. Since we have more people than many countries obviously that means we need to base it on a percent of population to make it fair, and given that premise I'm sure other countries have us beat in the intollerant category.
I do not agree with calling it a civil union for same-sex couples and a marriage for opposite-sex couples because this is treating gays as second class citizens. Marriage is NOT solely a religious institution. It is, first and foremost, a state institution. People get married for state benefits. The first marriages in ancient civilizations had nothing to do with religion. That is why I don't agree with it.
You are not a qualified scientists. Qualified scientists will tell you that homosexuality while not conclusively genetic, is not a defect. You also have a false understanding of natural selection. Your logic is that if it is genetic, it would die off since homosexuals can't naturally reproduce. But that would be assuming that the trait can only be dominant. Two brown-haired parents can have a blonde kid because one (or both) of the parents had the blonde gene, it just wasn't the dominant trait for hair color. Similarly, two straight parents can have a gay kid because one (or both) of the parents have the gay gene, it just wasn't the dominant trait. (That is, of course, assuming it is genetic.)
Hypothetically, however, let's assume it is a defect. Is it your place or even society's place to tell a person what to embrace and what not to embrace? Hell no. If someone's gay (like me) and fine with being gay (like me) and embraces being gay (like me) and wants to lead a happy life with a boyfriend or husband (like me), then that is their choice to embrace their sexuality. It shouldn't matter to you.
Lastly, when I said we have the most bigoted people, I didn't mean numerically. I meant that the United States has the people who are most bigoted out of other societies. Our American society is full of hatred, violence, and discrimination. If you deny that, then you are blind.
You're correct in saying that defects are detrimental. Homosexuality is not detrimental though. You won't die because you're homosexual. In this day and age, the inability to reproduce or procreate is not detrimental, as many choose not to. And if you think that the core purpose of democracy is to decide what's right and wrong, then you don't have any good understanding of democracy. The core principle of democracy is upholding personal freedoms, i.e. the personal freedom to choose how to lead your life. Also, hypothetically if your false understanding of democracy's purpose was true, the majority of Americans believe that homosexuality is not wrong, and therefore the choice of society would be that people should embrace it.I do not agree with calling it a civil union for same-sex couples and a marriage for opposite-sex couples because this is treating gays as second class citizens. Marriage is NOT solely a religious institution. It is, first and foremost, a state institution. People get married for state benefits. The first marriages in ancient civilizations had nothing to do with religion. That is why I don't agree with it.
You are not a qualified scientists. Qualified scientists will tell you that homosexuality while not conclusively genetic, is not a defect. You also have a false understanding of natural selection. Your logic is that if it is genetic, it would die off since homosexuals can't naturally reproduce. But that would be assuming that the trait can only be dominant. Two brown-haired parents can have a blonde kid because one (or both) of the parents had the blonde gene, it just wasn't the dominant trait for hair color. Similarly, two straight parents can have a gay kid because one (or both) of the parents have the gay gene, it just wasn't the dominant trait. (That is, of course, assuming it is genetic.)
Hypothetically, however, let's assume it is a defect. Is it your place or even society's place to tell a person what to embrace and what not to embrace? Hell no. If someone's gay (like me) and fine with being gay (like me) and embraces being gay (like me) and wants to lead a happy life with a boyfriend or husband (like me), then that is their choice to embrace their sexuality. It shouldn't matter to you.
Lastly, when I said we have the most bigoted people, I didn't mean numerically. I meant that the United States has the people who are most bigoted out of other societies. Our American society is full of hatred, violence, and discrimination. If you deny that, then you are blind.
There is no proof that the first marriages were either state or religious, we don't have accurate records back then because you'd have to go back further than even the bible, so good luck arguing that point. Religions and the state have always gone hand in hand where marriage is concerned and still do, which you can't even argue since that's one of the major reasons gay marriage has been outlawed so long. That means it should be something else, if you are really only concerned with the state benefits you wouldn't care if it was named civil union and gay unions got all the same state benefits. Its not treating you as second class citizens as you get the same benefits, so you shouldn't care.
There is proof that even recessive genes that hurt the chance of survival enough will die out. If it was indeed a recessive gene then throughout all of history people who got double recessive obviously would not repopulate, and by sheer chance when people with one recessive gay gene reproduced they would still create double dominant. The sheer astronomical odds that a gene even recessive that limits the odds of reproduction that much surviving all of human's history means no "qualified" scientist would claim it to be without definate proof, of which there is none.
Defects mean they are detrimental, therefore they should be eliminated. Once a cure for homosexuality (assuming it is indeed biological) is found, a way to prevent it in new children, it should immediatly be used. It is societies place, and always has been to decide what is correct, that is the entire point of democracy. Why it matters to me is my own buisness just like you don't have to give a reason to be gay, and like I've said, I can judge you if I want.
I would argue your last point, there are societies that are far more intollerant than ours. China for example has a heritage of sexism and discrimination towards different groups. America certainly has its bigots but you really can't say other countries cant' match or surpass us.
You're correct in saying that defects are detrimental. Homosexuality is not detrimental though. You won't die because you're homosexual. In this day and age, the inability to reproduce or procreate is not detrimental, as many choose not to. And if you think that the core purpose of democracy is to decide what's right and wrong, then you don't have any good understanding of democracy. The core principle of democracy is upholding personal freedoms, i.e. the personal freedom to choose how to lead your life. Also, hypothetically if your false understanding of democracy's purpose was true, the majority of Americans believe that homosexuality is not wrong, and therefore the choice of society would be that people should embrace it.
You ought to research natural selection more, because your understanding of it is poor. Many qualified scientists actually do agree with exactly what I said.
Lastly, I actually did give a reason for me being gay. Scientifically, certain circumstances (whether they be genetic or from experience or any others) have made me have a more dominant attraction to males than females. So don't try to give me this crap that your intolerance and bigotry does not need a reason. You're essentially saying, "I can hate homosexuality because I can." Well, no shit Sherlock. Also, most people who argue on your side of aisle as vehemently as you are either a) religious, bible-thumping extremists, b) homosexuals who cannot accept who they are, and therefore hate others, or c) poorly educated people. Which one are you?
I've made my point here. I don't intend on posting further. Goodbye.
Disliking homosexuality isn't even really a personal opinion, you are not born hating them in the same way that you are not born straight or gay your views are put forward by the society around you. As an individual growing up the majority of your opinions are based around what is the norm in your society and so it is only logical that many people in America would dislike Gay people. They follow the Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc.) and these religions specifically say that homosexuality is bad, among over things and so in societies based off these beliefs there will be hatred towards these people. But it is in no manner the norm because these are pretty much the only religions that follow this belief system so strictly. In many other societies not defined by these beliefs, throughout time, homosexuality is not even thought of as an issue, it isn't even a thing because it is so normal.Except that the governing churches of Christianity and Judaism haven't actually put out any particular opinions, and it's actually not so clear cut.
For example in Ancient Greece Beauty was not gender specific, which is why there is paintings and statues of both beautiful men and women. In ancient Rome it was common for many men to be Bi-sexual, many emperors would have a wife for political reasons and to reproduce but they would also have sexual intercourse with men as well, for pleasure and intimacy. Hadrian famously had a male lover who he loved even more so then his own wife, and when that lover died he erected many statues in the memory of that man. My point is that homosexuality is in fact the norm throughout Human history, it is Christianity (and the other beliefs) that are abnormal. It is our western viewpoint that we have tainted on the rest of the world that is wrong and that is bizarre. In most other cultures past and present that are not subject to Abrahamic beliefs homosexuality is often accepted.
Which leads onto my second point, I do not understand the need for Gay marriage. I myself am Bisexual and I would never want to get married in a church or anything like that, however I do believe that the benefits of marriage should be available to anyone, which is why we have civil partnerships. If a religion says something that you disagree with you should not try to change it, you should accept it as wrong and find a new religion. I do not want to be married under a religion that disagrees with my opinion, but that doesn’t mean I don't mind having a religion marriage, if it was part of a religion that is accepting of what I am doing.
I also believe that it is not in our right to change a religions rule because we disagree with them; it makes more sense to ignore that religion for its views are warped and wrong. Take the Ku Klux Klan, their views are wrong and I strongly disagree with everything they stand for. That doesn’t mean I should try to change them so that I can be part of the KKK, it means they are wrong and I shouldn't let that continue/associate myself with it. But this is just my opinion, if you really want to stick to your beliefs despite what they say and think they can change then go-ahead, but I think the more rational choice is to accept it is wrong and leave it behind.
To sum up though, there is nothing wrong with homosexuality and people should be allowed to love as they please, but we should not be allowed to change people’s rules and opinions to fit our own. And at the same time I must respect anyone’s opinion and anyone who disagrees with what I have said.
Answer me this: Do you believe everything in nature happens for a reason? I'm not necessarily saying with homosexual humans, just in general, do you believe everything in nature happens for a reason?You're correct in saying that defects are detrimental. Homosexuality is not detrimental though. You won't die because you're homosexual. In this day and age, the inability to reproduce or procreate is not detrimental, as many choose not to. And if you think that the core purpose of democracy is to decide what's right and wrong, then you don't have any good understanding of democracy. The core principle of democracy is upholding personal freedoms, i.e. the personal freedom to choose how to lead your life. Also, hypothetically if your false understanding of democracy's purpose was true, the majority of Americans believe that homosexuality is not wrong, and therefore the choice of society would be that people should embrace it.
You ought to research natural selection more, because your understanding of it is poor. Many qualified scientists actually do agree with exactly what I said.
Lastly, I actually did give a reason for me being gay. Scientifically, certain circumstances (whether they be genetic or from experience or any others) have made me have a more dominant attraction to males than females. So don't try to give me this crap that your intolerance and bigotry does not need a reason. You're essentially saying, "I can hate homosexuality because I can." Well, no shit Sherlock. Also, most people who argue on your side of aisle as vehemently as you are either a) religious, bible-thumping extremists, b) homosexuals who cannot accept who they are, and therefore hate others, or c) poorly educated people. Which one are you?
I've made my point here. I don't intend on posting further. Goodbye.
Ah, but hasen't homosexuality caused a division in even this day and age? Wouldn't the world be better off is scientist started insuring that homosexual children are corrected before birth? It would discontinue this arguing and the children would be no worse off for it. If it is a defect caused by complications durring birth then it is not supposed to happen and should be crushed. I was merely saying that the reason we all love democracy is it allows society to govern what is right and wrong, isn't that the entire point? Democracy at its truest form is saying that the majority knows best, no matter how uneducated and stupid they may be. The constitution is what upholds personal freedoms you fool, democracy only cares about the whole, not the individual.
In regards to natural selection, just as many scientists would agree with what I've said, otherwise your theory would be law, not theory.
My "intolerance and bigotry" does have a reason, but yes, my point was that even if I didn't, I don't need a reason to hate gay people. Also, I'm not exactly arguing vehemently, I quite enjoy this friendly little conversation we're having. Out of the three options you've given me the closest one would have to be A I guess, although none really fit me. If we are going to go by steryotypes, you are a homosexual aren't you? Are you A) A sex driven psycho that will fuck any male with a pulse, B) a flamboyant peacock with an over inflated sense of self importance, C) A homosexual who only came out of the closet so he could whine and moan about how unfair life is to his kind, or D) Some pumped up macho who hangs out in gay bars 24/7 and never does anything with his life?
I think I've made my point, although I may or may not post in the future if necessary, I do so enjoy a good debate. Goodbye for now then.
Disliking homosexuality isn't even really a personal opinion, you are not born hating them in the same way that you are not born straight or gay your views are put forward by the society around you. As an individual growing up the majority of your opinions are based around what is the norm in your society and so it is only logical that many people in America would dislike Gay people. They follow the Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc.) and these religions specifically say that homosexuality is bad, among over things and so in societies based off these beliefs there will be hatred towards these people. But it is in no manner the norm because these are pretty much the only religions that follow this belief system so strictly. In many other societies not defined by these beliefs, throughout time, homosexuality is not even thought of as an issue, it isn't even a thing because it is so normal.Except that the governing churches of Christianity and Judaism haven't actually put out any particular opinions, and it's actually not so clear cut.
For example in Ancient Greece Beauty was not gender specific, which is why there is paintings and statues of both beautiful men and women. In ancient Rome it was common for many men to be Bi-sexual, many emperors would have a wife for political reasons and to reproduce but they would also have sexual intercourse with men as well, for pleasure and intimacy. Hadrian famously had a male lover who he loved even more so then his own wife, and when that lover died he erected many statues in the memory of that man. My point is that homosexuality is in fact the norm throughout Human history, it is Christianity (and the other beliefs) that are abnormal. It is our western viewpoint that we have tainted on the rest of the world that is wrong and that is bizarre. In most other cultures past and present that are not subject to Abrahamic beliefs homosexuality is often accepted.
Which leads onto my second point, I do not understand the need for Gay marriage. I myself am Bisexual and I would never want to get married in a church or anything like that, however I do believe that the benefits of marriage should be available to anyone, which is why we have civil partnerships. If a religion says something that you disagree with you should not try to change it, you should accept it as wrong and find a new religion. I do not want to be married under a religion that disagrees with my opinion, but that doesn’t mean I don't mind having a religion marriage, if it was part of a religion that is accepting of what I am doing.
I also believe that it is not in our right to change a religions rule because we disagree with them; it makes more sense to ignore that religion for its views are warped and wrong. Take the Ku Klux Klan, their views are wrong and I strongly disagree with everything they stand for. That doesn’t mean I should try to change them so that I can be part of the KKK, it means they are wrong and I shouldn't let that continue/associate myself with it. But this is just my opinion, if you really want to stick to your beliefs despite what they say and think they can change then go-ahead, but I think the more rational choice is to accept it is wrong and leave it behind.
To sum up though, there is nothing wrong with homosexuality and people should be allowed to love as they please, but we should not be allowed to change people’s rules and opinions to fit our own. And at the same time I must respect anyone’s opinion and anyone who disagrees with what I have said.
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I judge who I want to judge.
QuoteI judge who I want to judge.
I thought God's children weren't supposed to judge others?
QuoteI judge who I want to judge.
I thought God's children weren't supposed to judge others?
I REALLY wish people would read all my comments before responding to me. I may believe in God, but I put almost no stock whatsoever in the bible. That being said, arguing for religion whether God said not to judge others or not, there are plenty of examples in the bible of his desciples and prophets and others judging and executing others in his name. Moses for example ordered the murder of all the men in a village and the rape of all the women because they stood against his people. The bible is full of contradictions, Christians are just like the terrorists who missinterpret the Quaran's messages in the fact they pick and choose which examples they choose to follow. The bible can range from telling people to never lift a hand against anyone to basically telling you to kill pretty much anyone you see.
QuoteI judge who I want to judge.
I thought God's children weren't supposed to judge others?
I REALLY wish people would read all my comments before responding to me. I may believe in God, but I put almost no stock whatsoever in the bible. That being said, arguing for religion whether God said not to judge others or not, there are plenty of examples in the bible of his desciples and prophets and others judging and executing others in his name. Moses for example ordered the murder of all the men in a village and the rape of all the women because they stood against his people. The bible is full of contradictions, Christians are just like the terrorists who missinterpret the Quaran's messages in the fact they pick and choose which examples they choose to follow. The bible can range from telling people to never lift a hand against anyone to basically telling you to kill pretty much anyone you see.
You once said "Correct before birth" God makes EVERYTHING and EVERYONE perfectly and in His image, do you dare disagree with the Will of God? Whom are you to correct His creation, claiming that it is wrong and imperfect?
Those are the words of a heretic, that you have spoken
Note: I haven't read a single post in this thread other than the original. This is my view, in no response to anyone else.This is well said, Airborne, and I agree with you 100%.
I'm a Christian, so I don't support gay marriage and I don't think it should be legal or practiced. Does that mean I go to rallies and threaten people who are gay? No, I don't. I also don't judge anyone or think any less of them, because that's not my job or why I'm here in this world. Does that mean I seek out gays and try to force my views and religion on them? No, I don't. If they were to ask my view on it, I would tell them, however. I stay to myself and live my life how I want to live it, which just so happens to be influenced by my Christian religion. Who am I to tell someone else how to live their life, when I obviously wouldn't want someone telling me how? That's just how I see it.
In my opinion, every human being's mind is perverted one way to another (this doesn't mean it's bad) When we have an sexual attraction to someone (or something) Is uh.. shit let me just give an example: If male 1 is attracted to male 2 because of let's say we call this attraction:A. In male's 1 mind is attracted by people with A, and let's say this attraction would be Male only, then in this case Male 1 would be attracted to Male 2. It's the same thing with Male being attracted to Female. (I think i made it more confusing but w/e)How could it not be a choice? I couldn't bring myself to like dick in my ass and I'm sure a gay guy would find vagina repulsive. It's not like people wake up one day and think "I WANT TO GET FUCKED IN THE ASS BY 30 MEN AT THE SAME TIME"
I don't agree with Homosexuality but that doesn't it should be against the law, because it's a person's choice. As human beings our minds are perverted but some minds are more than others.
Now for the "Oh we were born that way." Is bullshit. If that were the case human beings would be able to produce no matter what the sex was. For example: Since Pedophilia is an sexual attraction (and an disorder) then why are they arrested if doctors considered this as a disorder? Wouldn't there be ways of keeping it to a minimum? Like autism for example, if we see symptoms at the first signs like: Unable to speak (My brother has autism and he couldn't speak until a the age of 4.), sameness, stacking. Then It can be treated with mental help. But it's an sexual attraction, so it would be the same thing as my example, it can be the same thing with other crimes that let's say Person A was going to rob Person B, this is a thought created by Person A because of something Person B owns.
TL;DR: All Sexual orientations and fetishes are all in perspective of one's mind, in this case we are all bisexuals.
My opinion is: you want to suck dick, fine. Just don't go waving it around at people and shoving it down there throats.As for two females. Go for it.