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Half-Life 2 Roleplay => Topic started by: [CA] KiwieeEh on February 20, 2012, 01:34:40 PM
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First of all, this is NOT a leave post. But it is a long rant about HL2RP and an opinion of a lot of peope. I'm the only person that really has the balls to do this now before it goes to far and then complain.
I'm going to start off right at the top and work my way down.
Raiden/UU
Raiden, I mean not to insult you by what I say here, I'm just going to highlight what me and other people are getting infuriated over.
You have recently taken a major ego boost since the promotion to Owner, you have taken ahold of the autonomous control you have and are not scared to use it to do anything that you must do. You have removed veran from the SeC position he shared with you and taken his developer access as well. What did he do to have his developer access removed? He's just finished preparing for a huge update? He is the most fair sectorial I have known and yes, people complain about him a lot, but you will find that with a lot of good admins will come jelousy and the outright hate brought on by his fair work. You should know this already, if he does something farily he will cause other people grief, and ultimately those people will complain. People complain to me about you, and other UU members, however, firstly, what can I do? And secondly, its usually because they're butthurt about something you did which negatively effects them.
Veran always worked hard as SeC and made choices that most of the server would agree with, however, you've chosen to remove him from his position in what appears to be the start of an egotistical takeover of HL2RP. I have no issue with you forgiving inactive units, giving them more chances, but there are things that people don't approve of. Once again, I have no issue with you giving Bluff or KMP CmD personally, but it is an assmotion to begin with, they're both OfCs and although their roleplay may be good, they do not have the experience IC and there are many other candidates that have both the RP skills and the knowledge and experience IC and OOC that you could have chosen. Personally I see some favouritism in there as well, not only me, but others too.
You may not see it this way, but other people see it as this:
"I'm owner I can get away with this."
Remind you of anyone in particular? If this continues, people will eventually realise, get exeptionally mad, and I can see the way that it can go, and it will end up being another drama fest. Another RTLK.
I doubt you want to be RTLK-V2. No one does. And the best way to stop this is to be fair and take input from people before acting, more than just the people that complain. Take input from the whole community.
The CCA in General
There's a lot to go through here. I'll shorten it down into a tl;dr for now.
HC
You have an important role, you got to where you want to be in the CCA so deal with the crying that people come to you with, you have to be active, even if it is boring, find a way to make it fun, take great care in amputations, i don't know, but you have to stay active.
EpU-02
Play to lose sometimes for the love of god! You may be highly trained and they may be weak and malnourished but if someone comes up behind you dont lolturnaround and take their knife or whatever, you don't have eyes in the back of your head.
Other than that I have no issue with you as much as I do everywhere else appart from going AFK halfway though when we need units. If you're going to do this, flag down, let other units flag up, you're taking up space in the CCA that can be used for other units. And remember, no matter what character you're on, if you have a unit in the CCA. You still represent the community highly.
RCT-03
This counts towards 02s as well as much as can be said.
STOP BEING EMOTIONALESS ROBOTS
None of you out there (I hope) know what it's like to kill someone, the first time you do it, you will throw up, physically feel like shit, and be emotionally destroyed, that feeling will stay for at least 10-15 kills in the future, you'll only be a cold blooded killer at around 100 kills unless your psyco. If thats the case, you shouldn't be in the CCA.
You're still fresh units too. Make mistakes, feel guilt, fell remose, feel like shit if you must. It's always better to have an in depth roleplay experience than be a cold monster wanting to kill all, if you want to do that, then you shouldn't be in the CCA. Fuck it. You shouldn't be in HL2RP. Go to OCRP where killing people daily is considered good RP.
Outlands/Citizens
Not much I can say.
Stop mugging people.
Start Pain RPing.
Not everyone needs to be a lolrebel.
Feel hunger.
Play to lose.
Sort your characters out rather than just running for guns.
/rant
And yes. I put myself in stasis on 113 for a while. I don't feel like I can adequitely roleplay right now, and hell, even if I do, I need a break. Jogzi knows what to do.
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I couldn't agree with your more Kiwiee. I think you've expressed the opinions of many people here, I don't think I could possibly add anything else. Question is, will Raiden take it to heart or will he just bat it away with a deft flick of his owner glove?
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To be honest I kind of disagree with this.
I like what Raiden's done so far, a lot.
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I agree with you Y2K, Veran has done a very fine job in the CCA, and he has done so much with his developer status to help up, i agree that Raiden should be owner, but he should not think he is a god and can do whatever he wants and yet get away with this. I am very dissapointed.
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To be honest, Veran was doing an excellent job as a SeC and developer.
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I agree with this, all though I don't know the owner, or any of the points provided. I just straight up agree.
Oh wait, the part about the RCT-03's being mindless robots. I agree with that part.
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My two cents:
Okay you've removed Veran from SeC
But why did you take his CCA whitelist?
And his developer position?
EDIT: Or not, still says he's a Dev on the homepage, thus the below confusing me
You have removed veran from the SeC position he shared with you and taken his developer access as well. What did he do to have his developer access removed?
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I am not playing long time on HL2RP as Civil Authority unit for any long, so I did not meet Veran ICly any much. However, I did meet 113 (Kiwiee). I knew him before I ever started to play here, on CG. I would like to see him ingame again and I would like to SUPPORT his post. I hope this thing gets sorted out and I will see him ingame again. From my experiences with Veran, I found him friendly and suiting for the job and I personally don't see any good reason you may have had to remove him. I hope you read this and think about it, Raiden.
- Khubajsn
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we need to pet (...) this (...) or people gonnna start leaving CG.
^ This.
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I agree what he says is true. The thing pisses me off the most that Veran lost his developer and SeC rights which is disgraceful. we need to pet ion this to Rofl to make Veran to have his rights or people gonan start leaving CG.
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My two cents:
Okay you've removed Veran from SeC
But why did you take his CCA whitelist?
And his developer position?
EDIT: Or not, still says he's a Dev on the homepage, thus the below confusing me
You have removed veran from the SeC position he shared with you and taken his developer access as well. What did he do to have his developer access removed?
He's a junior developer now, which is just a rank.
Developers have ftp access and forum setting access, etc. Jnr Devs do not:
20:17 - Veran120: Junior Developer is just title.
20:17 - Veran120: It has no authorizations.
20:17 - Veran120: Developer is the one with right auths, forums settings, ftp access, etc.
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Last I checked he didn't have box access in the first place...
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For one - the developer rank is not even needed for a script developer. It's made for the forum developers, I still don't understand why the developer rank gets full forum control. It's dumb. It is a safety measure as when people get demoted from high ranking positions it tends to make them incredibly mad, and we took safety measures accordingly. If he had been patient before he started whining about it and talked to Raiden properly; he would have known it was going to be given back after a short while.
He is not removed from developer, he merely has his access temporarily revoked due to safety reasons. The same would most likely be done to me, even though some people think I'm mature enough not to let my anger take control of my actions. It's been done this way at every community I've joined, and most likely those I have never joined too. The developer rank has fuck all to do with their access to our assets, as it is only a rank to show on the forums. The reason I don't even want to give it to developers is because some people like to mess with settings they should not without taking it up with either me or Somone77 first, possibly rendering the forums unusable and broken until we fix it.
The day Raiden turns into RTLK, I'll be damned. I speak to Raiden daily and he is more mature than the rest of this community added together, and that is including the CCA. The CCA is a huge pile of shit and Raiden is actually trying to work on fixing it now. This is also why we have the new Commanders, even though I don't agree on the choice of some of them, which I have expressed to Raiden and he has agreed with me. If you think Raiden is an egotistical person, you have to think twice. He's sharing the power he has with his Commanders and will most likely barely do anything himself, but leave it to the Commanders like it should be done. The Sectoral commander should not be actively making changes and interfering with the CCA, it should be a oversight position. An ambassador to the 'Benefactors' that are actually running the system. This is how I have always imagined them, and I have always roleplayed them this way.
Some people need to get their facts straight before starting to spout bullshit all over the forums and chats, spreading rumors and lies. You all need to grow the fuck up and realize that this is a game and a community. It is not a democracy, and never will be. Live with that fact or leave. You people argue like it's the point of the world, and you all seem to think extremely highly of yourself, then point out and get mad at others when they do likewise. This is both IC and OOC, and it's making you look like huge twats.
If someone here makes a change you people do not like, you unleash the fury of a thousand beasts and don't stop before you either get banned or you win. You do not care for compromises, you do not care for others opinions; you care only for your own. I have had my arguments and bad conversations with Veran; he even is fully aware of this. He seems to be aware of my attitude for him, as he likes to point it out that I don't treat him nicely. That's what I'm talking about; if we don't talk to you a way you like, you get mad.
You get very mad, you get so mad it's intolerable to speak with you for longer than ten seconds. Here is how development works at CG; something breaks, they blame the first developer they see. Then that developer complains to another developer, which then starts an argument. I've been ordered around to do things by Veran as a developer, even though I say "I don't have the ability to do that", in an honest manner, he still tells me to do it. I'm tired and fed up of his bullshit as the egotistical person as you people like to toss around. If anyone seems like RTLK, it's him when it comes to the use of power and ranks.
Him and many other super administrators like to toss their rank around like it was no biggie. They don't care if they're accused of abusing, they just say "whatever" or "fuck it". One fine example of this is the Dakota unit situation. The entire situation was discovered in observer while I was on, and both Nicknero and Bluff go on their units then walk straight to her in a secluded alley that almost no one ever seems to check. I notify Veran of this afterwards when the situation has ended and the ban has been issued; and he dismisses it. If you people do not believe me, have some proof.
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To go back to the whole "box access" topic that you people keep bringing up (it was brought up while I was typing this out); he never has and never will have box access. Ever. He has FTP, learn the difference between box and FTP. Box is a remote desktop connection, or terminal connection if you prefer. FTP is a socket connection that transfers information over the internet.
Oh and it's cute how you two bring up "favoritism", when you would run to Veran every time something happened to you and complain about it until everything went back to the normal. Yes, it is for the best of the CCA apparently. Bullshit. There's nothing that is for the best of our CCA, it is shit. It is never going to improve, it is at the state where it is broken beyond repair. This is why I do not put much effort into making changes, because there is no point in trying to improve what is broken.
TL;DR: Grow the fuck up, deal with the facts. This is not a democracy and never will be. Stop arguing, it will not improve anything; all you do is create more drama. If that is for the better of the community, you need to leave. Now.
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You get very mad, you get so mad it's intolerable to speak with you for longer than ten seconds. Here is how development works at CG; something breaks, they blame the first developer they see. Then that developer complains to another developer, which then starts an argument. I've been ordered around to do things by Veran as a developer, even though I say "I don't have the ability to do that", in an honest manner, he still tells me to do it. I'm tired and fed up of his bullshit as the egotistical person as you people like to toss around. If anyone seems like RTLK, it's him when it comes to the use of power and ranks.
I've never once ordered you. All I was doing is requesting. If I ever ordered you, it was a joke. I'm sorry if it sounded real, never meant to. If I was also somehow mean, I apologize as well.
Him and many other super administrators like to toss their rank around like it was no biggie. They don't care if they're accused of abusing, they just say "whatever" or "fuck it". One fine example of this is the Dakota unit situation. The entire situation was discovered in observer while I was on, and both Nicknero and Bluff go on their units then walk straight to her in a secluded alley that almost no one ever seems to check. I notify Veran of this afterwards when the situation has ended and the ban has been issued; and he dismisses it. If you people do not believe me, have some proof.
As I said to Raiden:
Because I've been informed about completely other thing. Nicknero informed me that he found her ICly, and issued punishment ICly. By the time you informed me, I thought Raiden/Rofl were already taking care of that. But I didn't know that it wasn't found out properly.
Nonetheless, this whole situation made me realize many things. I need to talk with Raiden, and set straight many things, hopefully I'll have chance to correct many things I couldn't see earlier.
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Let me put my 2 cents in here as I feel I am just growing the anger.. Veran, A great guy and the most active of the 2 SeC's.. Always helping and never has faulty RP... He is a great admin to all and develops some nice things for the server. I feel that demoting him left a position for another unwise one to take, ICly these guys do not know everything and I see sometimes 02 going to OfC and it erks me to see that we have went this low.. I know I never had a bright past, so I know my words mean nothing.. people change.. Veran was good for what he offered even when he offered stuff out of the box.. I respect his decisions and how he makes them. Surely I hope he will be revived of his job and put back to standards as I feel he is WELL fit for the job of Sectorial Commander.
GRID-01.738 out.
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It seems Alex :D has beat me to the ranting.
So instead of adding my own rant here, I ask everyone to fully read Alex's post, and not just tl;dr.
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He's the only SeC i've been able to talk to without having to stay up until 11pm to do so. He's active, dedicated, and I truly believe this kick up the ass has changed him for the better. Yes, he has promoted units when he perhaps shouldn't have, but I can think of a few people who have also done that, and hold similar positions. And this is certainly not the worst thing a SeC has done.
Give him another chance, because I truly do not think you can find anyone as good or better than him to replace the timezone gap.
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He's the only SeC i've been able to talk to without having to stay up until 11pm to do so. He's active, dedicated, and I truly believe this kick up the ass has changed him for the better. Yes, he has promoted units when he perhaps shouldn't have, but I can think of a few people who have also done that, and hold similar positions. And this is certainly not the worst thing a SeC has done.
Give him another chance, because I truly do not think you can find anyone as good or better than him to replace the timezone gap.
As a fellow Brit, I have to agree on this too.
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Adam just contacted me.
He wishes to make his voice heard on here.
22:25 - Rainbow Dash - Adumb Shit: and that is including the CCA. The CCA is a huge pile of shit and Raiden is actually trying to work on fixing it now.
22:25 - Rainbow Dash - Adumb Shit: Lie 1
22:25 - Rainbow Dash - Adumb Shit: If you think Raiden is an egotistical person, you have to think twice.
22:25 - Rainbow Dash - Adumb Shit: Lie 2
22:25 - Rainbow Dash - Adumb Shit: He's sharing the power he has with his Commanders and will most likely barely do anything himself, but leave it to the Commanders like it should be done.
22:25 - Rainbow Dash - Adumb Shit: Lie 3
22:25 - Rainbow Dash - Adumb Shit: The Sectoral commander should not be actively making changes and interfering with the CCA, it should be a oversight position.
22:25 - Rainbow Dash - Adumb Shit: Lie 4
22:26 - Rainbow Dash - Adumb Shit: Some people need to get their facts straight before starting to spout bullshit all over the forums and chats, spreading rumors and lies.
22:26 - Rainbow Dash - Adumb Shit: lie 5
22:26 - Rainbow Dash - Adumb Shit: Jesus christ wont alex stop being full of shit
22:26 - Rainbow Dash - Adumb Shit: he tells more lies than raiden would
22:28 - Rainbow Dash - Adumb Shit: oh yeah dont forget this.
22:29 - Rainbow Dash - Adumb Shit: Verans active, thats what counts, Sure we all fuck up i have too many time and now im paying for it.
22:31 - Rainbow Dash - Adumb Shit: He was active tho, something raiden wont live down. he was active OOCly and Icly way more than Raiden would be. I thought rofl said raiden would never get "Co-owner" again but then again its rofl. Raiden is a fine person at times but its mostly his fault HL2RP is where it is now. I personally see no fucking change coming up if he keeps at his own little game. The idea is to listen to the community, not act like a fucking communist and do what you want. Speaking of that, really thats all bluff will do is do what he wants cause hes selfcentered. Hell i might get struck down by saying this but RTLK even did a better job than whats currently going down. And its getting worse by throwing veran out the door and then shitting on your desk.
22:31 - Rainbow Dash - Adumb Shit depositis 2 pents
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Slightly Off-Topic:
Once again, I have no issue with you giving Bluff or KMP CmD personally, but it is an assmotion to begin with, they're both OfCs and although their roleplay may be good, they do not have the experience IC and there are many other candidates that have both the RP skills and the knowledge and experience IC and OOC that you could have chosen.
It is one of my pet hates when people speak about myself as if I have barely any experience IC and OOC. My Unit has been kicking for four years now, as in OOCly I have played with this guy across my previous community and then moved to CG. IC, I am most likely the most experienced Unit in the CCA, due to myself serving for four years and performing in multiple major conflicts when all of you boast around about a max of 1-2 years and you think that surviving from City 18 is legendary. When you say I have no/little experience, go tell that to my Unit ICly and he will tell you what he has done to earn his "ass-motion" (And I won't hurt/BM/demote you, as long as you ask nicely).
Sorry about that.
On-topic:
It was my belief that Veran was appointed Sectorial Commander due to Raiden being on holidays. But I see people such as Triv complaining about not seeing Raiden when it's a ten hour difference between us australians and most of europe. When you see me online with you during the weekdays, it usually means I'm staying up till 4am each weekday so none of you can complain that you can't speak with the City Command. Timezones a bitch, which we can't fix.
And to the above post on adams regard, I understand that Raiden and the High Command Units have said that in the past, but now that I'm on the City Command team, I will be trying my hardest to help even if you don't believe me, so I will be bitching at Raiden to do stuff constantly (In reason, of course). We have a plan, yet it will take a while to complete and when the community shows a negative attitude to any change, we can't even start it.
Tl;dr for first paragraph:
Timezones is the problem.
Tl;dr for second paragraph:
We have plans and had plans, yet due to complaints of change we can never do them. It starts with you guys, not us.
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Damn straight timezones a bitch, I also live Australia.
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Well I atleast appreciate the honesty from everyone here, good to see that everyone is expressing themselves. However in turn I will do the same.
Alex for the most part has cleared everything I was about to reply with. With all due respect the people in here who have a close relationship with veran, ask other members of the community and see if they share the same opinion on me as you do. Alex has already given his opinion on me so go ahead, ask around.
The truth of the matter and I noticed it when I came back to CG is that no one here likes change, by change I mean big changes. I remember from when I tried to do things prior, the amount of rage and hate echoed in my steam and it really put me down because I did it for the best of the CCA. It's understandable that you guys would think this action I took against veran was just for the lolzZ, because I wanted to wave around my owner tag however if this is your thinking, with respect please shut up and sit down because you don't know me. You only know me from the things I've done you don't like. Ie the demotion of verans sec. If you know me well, you know i don't do things to suit my needs and give me benefits but it is for the best interest of the CCA. From my perspective the amount of complaints about veran being too controlling and none of the high command were given much freedom and rope to make decisions within their squad. The CmDs now have a lot of power, I've basically given them the ability to do anything as long as all the CmDs speak about it and come into an agreement, THEY ALL MUST AGREE. If the decision is too big for them alone then they will involve me. If you need something, you don't have to come to the Sector Commanders only, you can go to the CmDs and they can help you too.
People judge me too quickly however. I am all for giving people second chances because I believe in people realizing their mistakes and correcting them, kiwiee is an example of this. when i demoted him, I approached him in Skype, we had a long conversation and I decided to give it back to him. I could've pulled a karma and just go on with my life but instead I spent valuable time of mine chasing kiwiee.
I believe in veran changing too. I personally put him as sec because he was the most qualified and one of the best units I saw. People who believe I'm here just to act like rtlk, especially you Adam S then please fuck off because you don't know me.
On that note, I will be staying up late tonight hopefully to catch veran on and speak to him about this
Now, this has always been an opinion of mine but this isn't a government, a democracy where people have a right to demand something and have it done. If this were the case than the community would he in more chaos than you all think. In every community there needs to be leadership and this is admins deciding on how long a user is going to be banned for, super admins helping basic admins go about their duties and the owners of the community who have the final say in things and ARE the decision makers. The point I'm trying to get across is that if something changes that you don't like then you bring up your concerns but the deciders are roflwaffle, tomasas and myself.
Sorry for any spelling mistakes, I typed this up on my phone and I haven't even checked what I'm typing.
On another side note, Kris, do you still want your CmD? PM me your response.
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I think you're doing a great job, Raiden, so far. I am honestly a little fed up with people who are getting pissed because of change, and not only that, but they don't or didn't even understand what was fully going on, yet they still opened up the rage cage.
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The reason why myself and a number of others are having such an overt offensive reaction to Veran being removed towards you, Raiden, is because you've taken away our "ambassador" so to speak. As I made the point before, he's the only guy who you could easily talk to without having to stay up until 11pm (GMT), and he was dedicated enough to be online most of the time and put his time into HL2RP. Sure, you can say that the CmDs have as much power now.
Sure I like Kris, but currently he's not as active.
Personally I don't trust Bluff, sorry Bluff.
I like kmp too, but he's a yank an aussie (:v) and doesn't represent the needs of the european timezones.
What we need is an active, dedicated and honest SeC within europe. Veran fit that bill, he made mistakes but that's expected. And i'll say it again, I don't think he's going to make the same mistakes so easily due to this current incident.
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The reason why myself and a number of others are having such an overt offensive reaction to Veran being removed towards you, Raiden, is because you've taken away our "ambassador" so to speak. As I made the point before, he's the only guy who you could easily talk to without having to stay up until 11pm (GMT), and he was dedicated enough to be online most of the time and put his time into HL2RP. Sure, you can say that the CmDs have as much power now.
Sure I like Kris, but currently he's not as active.
Personally I don't trust Bluff, sorry Bluff.
I like kmp too, but he's a yank an aussie (:v) and doesn't represent the needs of the european timezones.
What we need is an active, dedicated and honest SeC within europe. Veran fit that bill, he made mistakes but that's expected. And i'll say it again, I don't think he's going to make the same mistakes so easily due to this current incident.
Yeah, I'm working on ways to get CmDs active, hoping Kris gets active because if he does, we have a CmD in every timezone; UK, US and AUS.
As for Veran, as I mentioned in my previous post I'm going to speak to him about this.
Again I thank everyone for their opinions. I am sorry if I gave you all the impression that I was trying to act like another RTLK, wave my owner tag around use it to extend my dick, etc. The truth is, no one is perfect, not even me, not even RoflWaffle and not even Veran. I and anyone else in power try to only do what's best and again some people don't agree with some things but I want to get the message across that we are doing our best.
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Oh this cycle again...
The reason the CCA is so full of shit is because a while ago, somehow a load of faggot assery and suchlike embedded itself into the roots of the CCA and such. To fix the CCA to what it used to be at the start(only about 5 people know what im talking about) would mean removing the WHOLE CCA, and starting from scratch.
And guys, raiden is in no way karma. He has an owner tag, so what. He's been a full owner before and knows how to act. Jesus, hes not an idiot, and even if not perfect, hes a darn sight better than half of you lot.
Along with others said, theres always one or more people complaining about anything. You can't please everybody.
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Wait Veran didnt get demoted because of that stunbaton in the ass thing, did he?
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Wait Veran didnt get demoted because of that stunbaton in the ass thing, did he?
Not to sound rude or like a dick, but if you're supposed to know why, then you'll be told. I'm trying to tell you that nicely before an admin or owner does.
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Sounds like a shit storm of fascism going on lol. People who don't want to handle it thoroughly seem to just want to shut everyone up who ask's or states to much questioning material. /sigh
Interesting responses though.
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Going a little off-topic to say this from everybody. But over the partial rant this is given about how 03-RCT are robots? Well, I had a situation where an 04 messed up. As in, he saluted to an HC when he was not the highest ranked unit in the room. He started to try and void it, but I told him quickly, "[LOOC]: Its alright, 04's are suppose to make mistakes." Do you know what he told me in response?
"[LOOC]: No, because I'll get a BM for it. And if I get two of them my char gets OWR'ed."