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Title: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: LeoMarr on October 22, 2011, 11:12:13 PM

The Universal Union Conscripted Military Force.

• The UUCMF Will consist of 12 Players. (Note: This will enlarge if Successful)

• The UUCMF Will consist of conscripted Loyalists. These citizens have been chosen to fight on the Front lines against anti-Civil activists.

• These are the Cannon fodder troops that stand in for OTA.

• These troops are poorly equipped and poorly trained, They are mainly used in frontal assaults on Unrest Structures or Strongholds

• These Troops will be rostered as such:

Major (1)
Captain (1)
Lieutenant (1)
Drill Sergeant(1)
Sergeant (2)
Private (6)

• Troop Load outs will strictly be One USP .9 MM Pistol and One HK MP 7 Sub Machine Gun

• Players in this will be strictly allowed to go into the Conscript Center ( Spare room in Basement/Firing Range ) and Conscript Recruitment Office.

•  Applications will be Strictly IC, Forum applications may be implemented, but I personally would like to have players RP it In the server.

• Training will consist of

Firearms Safety Training
Introduction to Field First Aid
Field Amputations and Detainment Procedures
Tactical Strategies and Formations

• There will be almost no promotions given, Unless a Sergeant is KIA'd and the senior private would then take over.

• Names: UU.CMF.PvT-John Doe
                UU.CMF.SgT-John Doe
                UU.CMF.MaJ-John Doe

• Only Majors, Captains, and Lts will be allowed to Recruit into the UUCMF, But Sergeants and Drill sergeants can "Recommend" Someone for joining.

• Troops will Two-Man patrol S6 at designated areas when called into service.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: GeeMayn on October 23, 2011, 12:57:03 AM

This is basically saying that the MPF suck and food deprived civvies can do better than us. There's also a huge chance they'll be able to rebel.

Bottom line, no matter how trusted, civvies will NOT get weapons. Never. It's about as canon as the CWU building a time machine.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: LeoMarr on October 23, 2011, 02:25:11 AM

Quote

This is basically saying that the MPF suck and food deprived civvies can do better than us. There's also a huge chance they'll be able to rebel.

Bottom line, no matter how trusted, civvies will NOT get weapons. Never. It's about as canon as the CWU building a time machine.

Let's Disect this.

This is basically saying that the MPF suck and food deprived civvies can do better than us. - Conscripts are
• These troops are poorly equipped and poorly trained, They are mainly used in frontal assaults on Unrest Structures or Strongholds
And it's not MPF. It's CCA.

no matter how trusted, civvies will NOT get weapons. - 04s are Civies, They get guns. Your point is invalid.


Never. It's about as canon as the CWU building a time machine. -

The Conscripts are a human Combine unit cut from Half-Life 2. They were to be the remains of the former Earth forces requisitioned and unwillingly reincorporated (according to the definition of Conscription) into the Combine units as low rank human Combine soldiers, apparently even lower than the Civil Protection. They were to be headed by Captain Vance.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: GeeMayn on October 23, 2011, 02:55:24 AM

Cut from HL2 = Not canon.

And we already established that Earths forces are either dead/escaped/combine soldiers.

And I don't see how an SMG + USP is poorly equipped

The problem here is that 04s are more trusted than loyalists, which is why they have weapons.
I can secretly have hacked civvie info, and a fake armband, no one would ever know.

Also the conscriof definition is a fuckload more different than what you're trying to pull.

From what you say it's just specific loyalists ( which are just loyal civvies who the mpf still don't give 2 shits about) are able to be better equipped than an 03 but have recruit training.

The definition is a cut idea of how military soldiers are made into low ranked combine units

Seriously draw me the fucking line

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: TheKrusader on October 23, 2011, 08:46:53 AM

There should at least be an extremely hard application for this, otherwise I see this as a REALLY bad idea.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: Krisrules on October 23, 2011, 09:06:26 AM

Has Karma or Rofl approved this?

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: [GM] I Eat Chich on October 23, 2011, 09:16:20 AM

You want to give them an SMG?! That would mean they're better equipped (offensively) than 04's. Even recruits can't have a pistol (icly). I think they should be armed with tasers or beanbag weaponry, not lethals :P

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: BltElite on October 23, 2011, 09:27:14 AM

Or perhaps, not have them at all, and instead spent time on making the cca better than adding stuff that makes people complain

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: TheKrusader on October 23, 2011, 09:46:00 AM

Quote from: Blt on October 23, 2011, 09:27:14 AM

Or perhaps, not have them at all, and instead spent time on making the cca better than adding stuff that makes people complain

This. I don't think the CCA would rely on citizens anyway, doesn't make sense. If the loyalists are truly loyal, and want to help, they can apply for CCA. But as BLT said, we need to more so focus on fixing the CCA rather than giving civvies guns so they can go pew pew.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: Don Captain on October 23, 2011, 09:54:55 AM

I remember when this was done. It actually worked rather well until some retard, bad RPer, decided to join.

He fucked up everything and we got banned from the City Server. But that's the last community.

ONE: Nowhere does it say they will be on the city 24/7 everyday.

TWO: When the UU doesn't want to risk lives of good super soldiers, they send in these guys.

THREE: An SMG and a USP are not well equipped seeing as they would be low-maintenance, run down, weapons.

FOUR: A RCT is above a conscript, depending on how Leo wants to run them, but last time I was involved in this, conscripts weren't allowed even out of their conscription center in the city.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: GeeMayn on October 23, 2011, 12:04:32 PM

Once again, Leomarrs idea and the conscript idea are very different.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: Darkshifter98 on October 23, 2011, 12:17:17 PM

This is how I like to think about Half-Life canon, just because its not found by Gordon Freeman, doesn't mean its not there in-canon. So, conscripts for example, although not found in City 17, could still be found in City 45 (or whatever map we use). As long as it makes sense in-canon, then I don't see a problem with it.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: Don Captain on October 23, 2011, 01:10:23 PM

Quote from: GeeMayn on October 23, 2011, 12:04:32 PM

Once again, Leomarrs idea and the conscript idea are very different.

I know how the conscript idea MAY be run. I was in the Conscripts with Leo in the community that did it originally.

But it's Leo's choice on how he does it.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: LeoMarr on October 23, 2011, 02:29:56 PM

You guys seem to think that "Having an SMG Means your as equipped as an 03".  So, An MP-7 that is Cleaned daily is so much like an MP-7 That is cleaned weekly? The MP-7 That hasn't been cleaned/maintained Will be the defeated in almost any situation. The CCA's are Cleaned by automaton, This means, they are cleaned by machines and repaired and fixed as required. The Conscripts weapons are cleaned by hand by the soldiers themselves.

Now, on the subject of "Oh they are better then this rank" How exactly? When a Unit is trained extensively in Hand-Hand combat, Intricate firing courses and extensive knowledge of Oh, Medicine for NOVA? The Cons are trained to detain in the field, fire the weapon and stabilize themselves/partners if they are shot.

The UU will not waste time giving them augs. If they are wounded too critically, they are left to die.
Now, as an 03 You'd be saved indefinitely. But Conscripts are still superior?

And, Sending Conscripts is ICly aiding in the extermination of the Human population.

Rebels fight conscripts
Rebels die
Conscripts die
end


Now, Of course, an "Extremely hard" application is not exactly what is planned. Mainly the Captain/Major/Lt decide who gets in and who doesn't. but it is almost strictly an IC application. There isn't going to be a forum post to apply on. So, Lets say

Johnny walks into the Conscript center
Johnny goes to the line and waits his turn
Johnny talks to the Recruiter whether it be the cap/maj/lt/Searg.
Johnny is a loyalist who wants to do more for "The cause" but wants to be in the field not policing as the CCA does.
He talks up a storm with the recruiter and after oh, 3 days, is called into the Conscription center and loads up, gets trained, and waits.

Now, the conscripts will have a main model and a secondary. They are still citizens, They won't carry guns around Unless they are doing a mission. They carry the same thing as Jimmy  the average citizen. Though, they are subject to double rations like the CWU. And every mission they survive they are payed a certain amount oh let's for the sake of it say 1000 tokens. Now, What I believe some people thing is that they will be just walking around with guns. Which is incorrect. Like I said, they won't carry guns around unless they are Required for a mission. Oh unrest structure X-D needs an attack force. Conscripts are on, get them loaded up and have them move in.

Also, if lets say a conscript applies for CCA, He can become a CCA member just like a CWU worker could. Though, you cannot 'Quit' the conscripts to be a citizen or some such. Once you're a conscript you either die, stay a conscript, or join the CCA.


The fact is, This isn't a Civie's with guns type of deal. They can't rebel. (Rofl's rule No rogues)

And really, I don't understand how having a gun makes you a rank in the CCA. Should my civie be an 01? He has a SPAS-12.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: Krisrules on October 23, 2011, 03:02:22 PM

Quote from: Krisrules on October 23, 2011, 09:06:26 AM

Has Karma or Rofl approved this?

Also this furthermore kills the OTA's job, they rarely see anything as it is.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: LeoMarr on October 23, 2011, 03:10:09 PM

OTA Are supposed to be rarely seen. They aren't for day-day operations.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: GeneralTrivium on October 23, 2011, 04:06:59 PM

Quote from: LeoMarr on October 23, 2011, 03:10:09 PM

OTA Are supposed to be rarely seen. They aren't for day-day operations.

The point being there'll be even more rarely seen than now.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: Kom'rk on October 23, 2011, 04:48:01 PM

Quote from: Blt on October 23, 2011, 09:27:14 AM

Or perhaps, not have them at all, and instead spent time on making the cca better than adding stuff that makes people complain

I would say, Better the CCA, once all that is good, Then take a look at this Idea.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: Reimer on October 24, 2011, 12:14:20 PM

So, the conscripts will be used sort of like this?

Conscripts are being called in to, say, assault a building in S6
Conscrips enter their room in the nexus (Spare room)
Conscripts are told of their mission and each member's place in it.
Conscripts are handed (very) light kevlar vests and captured contraband weapons, along with a small amount of ammo per person.
Conscripts exit nexus, and attack the point of interest.
Rebels engage thed conscripts, both sides lose men.
A small squad of regular CCA units arrives, mops up the rest of the rebels.
CCA squad escorts conscripts back to nexus, where they are stripped of weapons, ammo, and armor, and are given a treat (tokens, food, perhaps a medal)

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: The Doctor, RIP Juggernaut on October 24, 2011, 03:37:30 PM

This is APEXs/UNIONs job...

No joke if we get this APEX would have no point what so ever.
No offence to the APEX guys but you're useless enough already and with this you might as well merge in to UNION because this is APEXs job to go in where OTA isn't needed but the normal CCA can't handle.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: Reimer on October 25, 2011, 02:27:53 PM

Also guys, I think a firefight between CMF and rebels would be more fun than OTA coming in and S2King everything in sight and vaporizing everyone that tries to run.

And it would not kill APEX, in fact, it would do the opposite, as APEX would control the CMF and be in charge of following through with trained units when the CMF has done their operation, and escorting CMF to and from the target.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: Uubucks on October 25, 2011, 02:37:33 PM

I think if we were to have "conscripts" that they would have to be extremely good roleplayers.  S2M more then the civil protection, still role play fearing the combine (of course >.>) Have sympathy/empathy(because they're not augmented) And not act like they are the civil protection.  Even though they were cut from the game I still think this is a good idea and should stick with the canon.  In the game they probably would have looked stupid and they probably cut them to make the game look better or simply because of money, who knows.  But the idea sounds solid.

I just wish I could apply, I don't player HL2RP nearly enough to have good loyalist status/anyone seeing my roleplay there >.>

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: Reimer on October 25, 2011, 02:53:41 PM

Leo, the only thing I'd like to know now is how the IC applications go down. If there aren't forum applications then we have to be a mite concerned about minges getting into the ranks of the CMF, which would be the *worst* thing that could happen.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: Darkshifter98 on October 25, 2011, 06:19:10 PM

Quote from: 16.Pz-Pio.Riemer on October 25, 2011, 02:53:41 PM

Leo, the only thing I'd like to know now is how the IC applications go down. If there aren't forum applications then we have to be a mite concerned about minges getting into the ranks of the CMF, which would be the *worst* thing that could happen.

If a minge were let in (Very unlikely considering how hard it will be to get in) and he/she were minging, that minge would probably be amputated at the first signs of rebellion. (Or mingeness, in this case.)

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: LeoMarr on October 25, 2011, 09:45:13 PM

IC Applications do mean that you need to have an above average Roleplaying ability. It doesn't mean, Answer 3 questions and get a whitelist.
It will take a few days of RPing with myself/others to get in.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: DeathByKittens on October 25, 2011, 10:35:29 PM

I'm not understanding how this can be a good idea at all. Why would the CCA bother wasting their time with "canon fodder" citizens when the CCA are themselves canon fodder? Why would they risk giving a group of citizens weaponry and more knowledge of the inner-workings?

What are the CCA gonna think of this now? APEX is a division who's job is to deal with situations such as what you say these conscripts will deal with. They very, very rarely get to deal with such situations and this will cut that number down to less than a handful a month, if even that. Whilst you can take the high-horse approach and say, "Oh they shouldn't just want to shoot all the time", you cannot deny that combat is incredibly enjoyable and exhilarating for those involved.

There is simply no way that APEX will be pleased with this. And Overwatch? Overwatch's appearances are rare enough. This'll almost nullify them. Whilst the conscripts may be designed to run in and die, just weaken the enemy a little, do you really think that's what'll happen? Why would the CCA want loyalist citizens to be taking up arms instead of spreading their influence amongst the community?

It just seems like too much of a risk, both for the CCA and for Catalyst Gaming. This will satisfy the 12 players involved and no one else. Anyone who disagrees with my statement just there, I'd be interested to hear your reasons.

Just my 2 cents.

Title: Re: CMF - Another WIP
Post by: LeoMarr on October 25, 2011, 10:55:06 PM

12 players and No one else? If You properly read it. It is 12 for Now. Until It is shown that it can be expanded upon.