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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Klashy on November 23, 2012, 08:22:57 AM

Title: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: Klashy on November 23, 2012, 08:22:57 AM
(http://i47.tinypic.com/sfjo69.jpg)

NO SIGN UP IS REQUIRED TO SIGN THE PETITION, JUST A SIMPLE ONE STEP FORM.

SIGN THE PETITION --> https://www.google.com/takeaction/

On December 3rd through the 14th the world's leading technological experts from around the globe will convene in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, to discuss the Internet.

These meetings will include many countries who will all have a vote in matters suggested. Some of these countries do not share the freedoms that the United States, United Kingdom, and others share. Some countries, like Russia, want to put harsh regulations on the Internet that would restrict world wide Internet use. (http://bit.ly/Xyswui)

Google has put pressure on the United States' Government and other governments to keep their Internet Free and Open. If you haven't signed their petition yet then go to https://www.google.com/takeaction/ to tell your government to keep its Internet Free and Open.

“A free and open world depends on a free and open Internet. Governments alone, working behind closed doors, should not direct its future. The billions of people around the globe who use the Internet should have a voice.”


I for one have all ready signed the petition, I encourge those who enjoy FREE VOICED internet to do the same! Takes no time!

-- Klashy
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: smt on November 23, 2012, 08:26:33 AM
I have some bad news for you if you think people will stop governments sir
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: Klashy on November 23, 2012, 09:33:37 AM
Tis a company of democracy, we can atleast try our best to sign the petition.
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: LG-IM.Swagger on November 23, 2012, 09:34:19 AM
/me looks at /r/technology...

Nope, this is a crock of shit.
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: Mr Jive on November 23, 2012, 10:59:10 AM
After a quick google search didn't see much related to this, honestly if you want me to sign your petition your going to have to give a little more information and try not to be so unambiguous. Who is actually attending this "convention"? The first image says the Worlds leaders, what does that mean? Representatives of each country that would attend the UN? Or perhaps their actual elected leaders, so are the presidents and premiers from over 200 countries going to all head over to Dubai to discuss something as trivial as Internet Censorship, especially in light of all the other issues the Governments are having trouble with at the moment.

Last point I googled the first line that you wrote and it appears to be showing up on numerous websites so I can assume that this is a copy pasta that people are spreading around. Either you are too lazy to post on more information so we can all get the big picture or that you heard the words Internet censorship and petition and you automatically jumped on the band wagon.

In fact another point, the information put forward makes little sense. Firstly we have 'leading technological experts', this conflicts with the point in the image which states leaders, on top of that if they are technological experts then they probably have a much better idea of the situation then all the people who have access to the internet.

Alright I now looked further into the website and its the International Telecommunication Union event (http://www.itu.int/en/wcit-12/Pages/overview.aspx) link there if you are interested. After looking at that I can confirm that this post is speculating bullshit. With a tad of racism! Nice that you bough Russia into this despite being fairly relaxed about Internet policy.

Honestly let the experts talk and quit speculating about a 1984 government where God forbid you might not be able to get data for free that is intellectual property of others. How horrid our lives might be :(

EDIT: Another point this is taken from their website on the matter of censorship.
(http://gyazo.com/220d256632b553c631f1ff9eb4105153.png?1353687222)

Internet enforcement I believe covers more along the lines of - Keeping hackers out of foreign affairs, stopping spamers, phishers and all other manner of internet scam rings and trying to prevent anything illegal that is actually harmful - as in actually stealing money from people banks or whatever. Try to be open minded about these things and always do your homework first.
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: Klashy on November 23, 2012, 01:09:38 PM
This information is copy pasted. The petition is not one that I made on my own. The picture to me is skeptical, it may very well be horse shit.

The only thing that I found viable about this is that Google.com is promoting this information, as it can be found on their website.

I highly doubt www.google.com would just lol make something like this.

When I discovered this, I didn't want others to feel ignorant so I decided to copy paste the information to you guys, from exactly what I saw.

Putting the picture was a major mistake, it INSTANTLY deknowns the entire aspect.

Sorry if this inconvienced any of you.
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: Mr Jive on November 23, 2012, 01:30:02 PM
This information is copy pasted. The petition is not one that I made on my own. The picture to me is skeptical, it may very well be horse shit.

The only thing that I found viable about this is that Google.com is promoting this information, as it can be found on their website.

I highly doubt www.google.com would just lol make something like this.

When I discovered this, I didn't want others to feel ignorant so I decided to copy paste the information to you guys, from exactly what I saw.

Putting the picture was a major mistake, it INSTANTLY deknowns the entire aspect.

Sorry if this inconvienced any of you.

No problem and I get what you are saying about Google. Google has become something of an omniscient force in the Internet world in recent times, we trust Google and we use it constantly. But Google is still a private business that is out looking for profit, no matter what your philosophical view points on Google are this is fact. As long as an action won't cost too much (and I doubt much costs too much for Google) and as long as it doesn't have any negative effects on their value. So Google either made this simply to secure their interests and make sure that this convention in Dubai, also to bring to attention that their interests are important - Google is a huge contributor to the American economy and the American Government would be wise to do as they say. Still I really don't think any major concerns are being bought up by this Convention - it seems more like a standard convention for a complicated subject, the only bit of censorship is where they are trying to deal with Illegal activities on the Internet.
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: Nicknero on November 23, 2012, 01:31:40 PM
75% of all Americans believe every bullshit they read.

You need to understand the internet better and figure out that it's impossible to censor it.
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: FanaticWarren on November 23, 2012, 01:47:21 PM
75% of all Americans believe every bullshit they read.

You need to understand the internet better and figure out that it's impossible to censor it.

Pretty much all that needs to be said. There's no way they can censor Billions of websites, and monitor everyone's activities on the internet.
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: Mr Jive on November 23, 2012, 03:28:11 PM
75% of all Americans believe every bullshit they read.

You need to understand the internet better and figure out that it's impossible to censor it.

Pretty much all that needs to be said. There's no way they can censor Billions of websites, and monitor everyone's activities on the internet.

Technically they could block billions of websites, quite easily. But there would be no real reason too and it would make whoever did it very unpopular.
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: Somone77 on November 23, 2012, 03:44:38 PM
The intended result, when speaking of Internet Censorship, is making the platform for the web the same as television.

You want youtube? $2/mo
Gmail? Free*
News? $0.55/mo
Hulu? $1/mo

It would be an Internet where we don't get to create a website in our basement and make it available to the world, you have to pay for DNS hosting and domains are regulated to the T. It's not possible? You're deluded.
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: smt on November 23, 2012, 04:06:38 PM
The intended result, when speaking of Internet Censorship, is making the platform for the web the same as television.

You want youtube? $2/mo
Gmail? Free*
News? $0.55/mo
Hulu? $1/mo

It would be an Internet where we don't get to create a website in our basement and make it available to the world, you have to pay for DNS hosting and domains are regulated to the T. It's not possible? You're deluded.

while this is the main/top/most obvious side of things, the entire internet will never be censored entirely with projects like TOR and project meshnet
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: Nicknero on November 23, 2012, 04:55:43 PM
The intended result, when speaking of Internet Censorship, is making the platform for the web the same as television.

You want youtube? $2/mo
Gmail? Free*
News? $0.55/mo
Hulu? $1/mo

It would be an Internet where we don't get to create a website in our basement and make it available to the world, you have to pay for DNS hosting and domains are regulated to the T. It's not possible? You're deluded.

Silly thing to say because no one owns the internet.
You already pay for your internet provides which loans you access to the internet. What happens on the internet is non of any country's government business. They don't own it. No one does.
So if anyone decides to claim the internet unrightfully and start to make us pay for it, is like taking away the sun and people have to pay you for a little bit of sun.
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: smt on November 23, 2012, 05:01:13 PM
The intended result, when speaking of Internet Censorship, is making the platform for the web the same as television.

You want youtube? $2/mo
Gmail? Free*
News? $0.55/mo
Hulu? $1/mo

It would be an Internet where we don't get to create a website in our basement and make it available to the world, you have to pay for DNS hosting and domains are regulated to the T. It's not possible? You're deluded.

Silly thing to say because no one owns the internet.
You already pay for your internet provides which loans you access to the internet. What happens on the internet is non of any country's government business. They don't own it. No one does.
So if anyone decides to claim the internet unrightfully and start to make us pay for it, is like taking away the sun and people have to pay you for a little bit of sun.

Do you know how IPs work and are (were...) assigned? groups own them, they're not just made up randomly, governments could quite easily control the "main" consumer internet if they wanted
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Post by: Scratchie on November 23, 2012, 07:01:29 PM
Its the new age browser war but instead of browsers is governments

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Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: rBST Cow on November 23, 2012, 10:29:04 PM
(http://i47.tinypic.com/w7oaza.jpg)

Well I know what I'm doing if the government tries to censor everything...
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: Lone Wanderer on November 24, 2012, 01:16:38 AM
What Cow said. If the government ever tries to take away the rights that I have, I'm putting all my guns to good use. Because they aren't gonna take shit away from me without it becoming a huge deal and ending up with me getting gunned down 4 miles into the forests right near my house, god damnit!
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Post by: Borkatjov on November 24, 2012, 06:28:02 AM
Urgh..
Not again..
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: Mr Jive on November 24, 2012, 07:17:26 AM
To be honest the Internet doesn't really belong to everyone, it belongs to the corporate business men who keep it running and they belong to the Governments in which they're situated. By this I mean they have to follow the laws set forth by the Government and that's the same with all businesses from McDonald's to your local supermarket. Even websites like The Pirate Bay still rely on big business to interconnect them across the world, did you really think that everyone just jumps onto the internet free of charge completely on their own? Even the website builder in his basement is still relying on other people to give him access to the internet, on top of this you do already have to pay to use the internet and your internet can be restricted from you if you abuse it.

This idea that the Internet is a free haven that the government had no control over is complete bullshit. Any major organizations have to follow the laws of their land and the Government can control this in anyway they want, especially if a business is damaging their country in anyway. BUT on the bright side its not all doom and gloom, luckily the internet is one of the largest contributes to economy in the western world and the benefits that come with being interconnected are limitless. So for this reason the Governments are never going to suppress your internet, but it is still in their right to make sure that the Internet is not an illegal place that is damaging to its people, its business, or its foreign affairs.

I don't see why all of you assume the worst of your governments or that every time the Internet and the words Government are bought into the same sentence you all go batshit crazy. Yeah, in some countries where the government isn't so good and they don't want people to get any ideas they might censor it, but in America and England and the rest of Europe the only censoring they do end up doing is for the best intentions, not just to piss gamers off. The world is slightly larger than you trying to get things for free (which is what I assume you are worried about loosing). Try to think what people have been doing for generation before you, you know, buying things and stuff?
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Post by: Klashy on November 25, 2012, 07:08:00 PM
Nicknero, go fuck yourself.

(User was banned for this post("Flaming" - wakeboarderCWB))
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: SaggyCloud on November 25, 2012, 07:27:21 PM
Nicknero, go fuck yourself.

Well shit, you are now going to be banned and ddosed by the almighty staff department of Catalyst-Gayming.
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: Klashy on November 25, 2012, 07:51:01 PM
He insulted my country. Like I saw this and thought that I could help spread the word, that it might be of interest. And he says "75% of americans believe all bullshit they read" I don't go saying shit about dutch people. And me being American had nothing to do with it. I think that's bull shit.
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: Mr. Pettit on November 25, 2012, 11:57:06 PM
Ryan honestly though, It's true. But despite what Nick might say and if it does offend you, you can say the same thing about his country or anyone's for that matter. It doesn't make it true and doesn't effect you unless you make it because obviously Nick doesn't know 100 percent of the American population, or even 1 percent for that matter.
Title: Re: ATTENTION ALL GAMERS - They're trying to censor the internet again. Please Read!
Post by: Aerialrcoet on November 26, 2012, 02:51:12 AM
To be honest the Internet doesn't really belong to everyone, it belongs to the corporate business men who keep it running and they belong to the Governments in which they're situated. By this I mean they have to follow the laws set forth by the Government and that's the same with all businesses from McDonald's to your local supermarket. Even websites like The Pirate Bay still rely on big business to interconnect them across the world, did you really think that everyone just jumps onto the internet free of charge completely on their own? Even the website builder in his basement is still relying on other people to give him access to the internet, on top of this you do already have to pay to use the internet and your internet can be restricted from you if you abuse it.

This idea that the Internet is a free haven that the government had no control over is complete bullshit. Any major organizations have to follow the laws of their land and the Government can control this in anyway they want, especially if a business is damaging their country in anyway. BUT on the bright side its not all doom and gloom, luckily the internet is one of the largest contributes to economy in the western world and the benefits that come with being interconnected are limitless. So for this reason the Governments are never going to suppress your internet, but it is still in their right to make sure that the Internet is not an illegal place that is damaging to its people, its business, or its foreign affairs.

I don't see why all of you assume the worst of your governments or that every time the Internet and the words Government are bought into the same sentence you all go batshit crazy. Yeah, in some countries where the government isn't so good and they don't want people to get any ideas they might censor it, but in America and England and the rest of Europe the only censoring they do end up doing is for the best intentions, not just to piss gamers off. The world is slightly larger than you trying to get things for free (which is what I assume you are worried about loosing). Try to think what people have been doing for generation before you, you know, buying things and stuff?

You deserve a Cookie, Great post I'm 100% with you on this. Also why is everyone hating the idea, A censored internet means no more Ballsh** from people on the internet I.e Bully's/conspiracy theories/hate websites/Piracy/Child porn and murder videos.
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