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Title: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: TorrentGamer ?Romney2012 on May 18, 2012, 10:17:30 PM
This, will be my final post on the Catalyst threads, and no, this is not a goodbye thread at all. But rather a thread stating all of the problems I have found in Catalyst Gaming, and HL2RP. Before I start, I would like to say that this is a MAJOR, flame. So beware, to all of you.

First, let me state that Catalyst Gaming is led on a screwed up system beyond belief. There have been many problems that have been going on SINCE LAST YEAR that have STILL NOT BEEN FIXED. What are these problems? Lets take a trip through them.

Canon, for God's sake, this is HL2RP, not fucking HLMade-upRP. We've gone so far form canon we could call it Cop-in-funny-uniform RP. Why couldn't CG just keep the ORIGONAL cannon for HL2? I mean FFS ITS EVEN IN THE NAME, HL2RP.

Next, is Immersion. We have NONE of it. OOC is filled with total shit, that who the hell cares about? I will once again state its HL2RP, NOT Lets-see-what-shits-in OOC time. Jesus, I join a fucking game just to get spammed by OOC. 'HURP DURP TURN OOC OFF' Well how can I talk to the person I'm RPing with if its needed? What if there is something important I need to hear? This brings me to my next object:

SUGGESTIONS NEVER GET FUCKING DONE. I have an old sugguestion with about 3-4 pages of supports. Its NEVER been done. It was a pretty simple one to, but nobody has taken the time to simply LOOK INTO IT and DO IT. And its not just because mine wasn't, it's been MANY others. Many good ones as well that are just forgotten, ones that people love but never get used.

MINGES, for Christ Sake, they could be TAKEN CARE OF if we just tried harder. Switching up the quiz works, Giving 200-500 hour bans work. Promoting more admins, THAT AREN'T INSTA-DEMOTED FOR SHIT REASONS work.

Lets see... Oh, yeah, BACK TO FUCKING CANON. If you people ACTUALLY TRIED TO TAKE OUT YOUR DAMN REBELS WITH GUNS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE SO MUCH SHIT. AND BY, 'THEM PEOPLE' I MEAN THE DUMBASS ROFLWAFFLE. All he does is SIT ON HIS FAT ASS, AND GAIN UP CASH FROM THESE REBELS BUYING SHIT. Its amazing, how, apparently its OK for Rebels with shotguns and SMG's to be right outside the Nexus, and the CCA do shit. I mean, Have you ever PLAYED HL2 Admins and leaders? The only rebles with even a HANDGUN are in the outlands. GET YOUR CANON RIGHT CATALYST GAMING, OR ALL YOU ARE IS A MONEY TOOL FOR ROFLWAFFLE.

Next on the list... Oh, COMMUNICATION BETWEEN ADMINS. Jesus Christ, there is NONE of that between you. You can't a gree on shit, such as the CCA. These, 'reforms' are no more than fucking name changes and be more citizen-like. Well have you EVER  thought about it? Are ANY of the CCA's in HL2 even human at ALL? Yes, I will admit they are, but they aren't shaky-ass retards. I can understnad RCT's, but the combine would be FORCING the CCA to act much more cruel. And thats how it needs to, HL2RP is HL2RP. And none of you can seem to remember that.

Guns, these fucking guns. HOW are these people getting them? They're paying rofl money for them, thats how. And if ROFL GAVE EVEN A FUCK ABOUT HL2RP, HE WOULD NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO THIS. Anybody with a summer job could afford to get this shit, and instead of attacking the REAL problem, we go cry over a HL2RP ban appeal or request. THE PROBLEM ARE THESE V FLAGS, AND IF ANYBODY WASN'T SO AFRAID TO STAND UP AND MOVE FOR THINGS SUCH AS V FLAG REMOVE FOR NON-ADMINS, THIS WOULDN'T HAPPEN.
...Sorry for everything above, I'll probbly add on to this in the future. My only request is that this topic to not be deleted/locked. Considering this is a major problem in my view, and that It should be freely discussed in public. Not to be held back by admins.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: alaskan thunderfuck on May 18, 2012, 11:23:20 PM
On phone so im not gonna respond to all of this ATM, but the guns part ain't true. No one has paid for a gun in over 6 months.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: Tyrex on May 19, 2012, 12:42:12 AM
Canon- Canon is boring if it's all you stick to, and since there is no canon for certain rulings, it can become frustration.
Immersion- I can agree on this, however, I only use OOC when people ask questions.  A simple OOC limit rise would do, but people get pissy at that.
Suggestions- They never get done because there is no HL2RP developer, or the suggestions are picky topics.
Minges- I can't really say anything rather than that there will always be minges, there is no way to get around it.
Guns- Not many people, in reality, have guns in D6.  While Outlands has less than canon, IC weapons make up for this.
Communication Between Admins- This is the only real thing I can agree upon.  While I am not an admin myself, I cannot directly see the communication, however, I do talk to admins frequently, and can indirectly notice the poor communication.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: TorrentGamer ?Romney2012 on May 19, 2012, 12:46:24 AM
Canon- Canon is boring if it's all you stick to, and since there is no canon for certain rulings, it can become frustration.
Immersion- I can agree on this, however, I only use OOC when people ask questions.  A simple OOC limit rise would do, but people get pissy at that.
Suggestions- They never get done because there is no HL2RP developer, or the suggestions are picky topics.
Minges- I can't really say anything rather than that there will always be minges, there is no way to get around it.
Guns- Not many people, in reality, have guns in D6.  While Outlands has less than canon, IC weapons make up for this.
Communication Between Admins- This is the only real thing I can agree upon.  While I am not an admin myself, I cannot directly see the communication, however, I do talk to admins frequently, and can indirectly notice the poor communication.

Yes, but the server has screwed the canon in pratically every way. The only connection I can find is there are combine, citizens, and aliens. Besides that the whole canon is changed. And canon is suppose to be strict, thats what makes HL2RP HL2RP.

Minges could be easily avoided if admins and peeps took more steps to block it and actually TOOK THERE TIME to do it.

Walk into D6, and I see citizens with shotguns, this is just sad.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: The Mysterious Stranger on May 19, 2012, 08:14:02 AM
 The Catalyst-Gaming canon has abit more of a edgier role unlike the Half-Life 2 canon because Gordon Freeman is dead which allows the character to think about no saviour out there (being Gordon Freeman) so you are actually fucked. The canon is there for a reaosn just like almost anything out there. So you are stuck with a desolate environment, some clothing, malnourishment, slavery-like punishments and what not and that's what makes it HL2RP. HL2RP is suppose to be fun (said by Tyler) if you don't stick to the canon and just perform some in-game actions such as passive and action.

 The out of character time is just fine as it is. If you don't want to see people screaming over the chatbox over OOC, then modify the options list by tapping TAB and so be it, you got yourself some silence in the chatbox. I don't know people are just arguing over a little thing.

 As for the Suggestions section not being read over. That's because most of the administration staff have other things to do than just look over one suggestion. You have to be patient and don't worry, 70% of the suggestions don't get accepted anyways so your suggestion thread is maybe total useless. This goes for creativity and time put into the suggestion thread too.

 Minges are a big concern for me and the server itself. It's fucking getting out of hand only to see the admins kicking and then continously doing so, then afterwards a fuckfest comes in until that individual deserves a ban. I mean, minges are ruining the gameplay of other users and it is starting to get more and more out of hand each time I connect to the server. Yes, you are correct on this one.

 As for weapons, they are obviously mingestolen or took off some person to allow them to cause more a fuckfest than ever. No hesitation here.

 ...and finally, the communication between admins. There is a lot of reasons about this due to the fact that they are offline, doing something with another user, in a BRB/AFK state and etcetera etcetera.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: Statua on May 19, 2012, 09:00:51 AM
Ok here my 2000 cents:

Canon
Why do we have to follow it perfectly? For one, a perfectly followed canon makes up for a very boring disorganized game. Two, adding non canonical stuff makes it more interesting and brings more players in.

Immersion
OOC is getting better and yes, disabling it is not a good idea. Anyone who says "Herpaderp disable ooc" lacks the logic required to understand anything thats going on.

Suhgestions
Yes i agree on this. If we dont have a dev for HL2RP then why isnt there an effort being but in to find one? I dont see anyone asking me if I could help. Youd be surpeised what some of us can do.

Minges
They will always exist. Administrators need to learn that being an admin means less RP and more administration. That bothers me

Guns
Just do more sweeps and PK more people woth guns. If theyre dumb enough to get caught then they deserve a PK as they lack a major skill in coty rebel rp which is secrecy.

Communication
How do you know? Do you have access to the admin section of the forums?
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: TorrentGamer ?Romney2012 on May 19, 2012, 01:00:24 PM
Communication
How do you know? Do you have access to the admin section of the forums?

By communication, I mean how long it takes for the word of a new change to spread.When you hear an admin in OOC asking about why there is a change, it shows a lack of communication about the idea, while it could be discussed over on the fourms.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: DeathByKittens on May 19, 2012, 02:19:48 PM
@Statua: On the point of CG's canon...CG's canon consists of "the kids died" and "combine invasion was two years ago". I've literally heard of no other backstory except that we're in wherever we are...Romania?

And when was the last time we had an event? It's been a while...lets have one...Oh hey wait, admins seem to get demoted every damn time we have an event so lets scrap that.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: TorrentGamer ?Romney2012 on May 19, 2012, 07:36:00 PM
@Statua: On the point of CG's canon...CG's canon consists of "the kids died" and "combine invasion was two years ago". I've literally heard of no other backstory except that we're in wherever we are...Romania?

And when was the last time we had an event? It's been a while...lets have one...Oh hey wait, admins seem to get demoted every damn time we have an event so lets scrap that.

This, is also very true. A friend of mine that became admin recently was demoted for holding an event. I believe that this is the wrong way of doing things, considering they probbly didn't even know they were doing anything else but making RP. (*cough* Hardly happens on HL2RP) I will say though that by, 'events' I mean PassiveRP events. Not zombie-helicopted-Earthquake shit either.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: Atticat on May 21, 2012, 03:51:37 AM
Ok here my 2000 cents:

Canon
Why do we have to follow it perfectly? For one, a perfectly followed canon makes up for a very boring disorganized game. Two, adding non canonical stuff makes it more interesting and brings more players in.

Immersion
OOC is getting better and yes, disabling it is not a good idea. Anyone who says "Herpaderp disable ooc" lacks the logic required to understand anything thats going on.

Suhgestions
Yes i agree on this. If we dont have a dev for HL2RP then why isnt there an effort being but in to find one? I dont see anyone asking me if I could help. Youd be surpeised what some of us can do.

Minges
They will always exist. Administrators need to learn that being an admin means less RP and more administration. That bothers me

Guns
Just do more sweeps and PK more people woth guns. If theyre dumb enough to get caught then they deserve a PK as they lack a major skill in coty rebel rp which is secrecy.

Communication
How do you know? Do you have access to the admin section of the forums?

     The last two hit the nail on the head here. I am new here, and have no beef with any admins so far, but in other servers I see this all the time, especially with admins starting lame events to abuse there power (haven't seen that here). But we need to be on guard to make sure admins are always doing a top notch duty, it's always a present danger.

     Secondly, I very, very, very much believe that owning a gun should be an incredible risk to take. I hate how D6 is filled with people totting weapons. I believe an admin commented that D6 keeps weebuls out of the Nexus area....I agree with him, but I also believe raids should happen maybe 3-4 times a day on D6 to really keep the gun wielders on there toes. And if they are caught, it should be a perma kill. They should be paranoid about their risks and they should be thinking of places to hide their weapons during sweeps.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: smt on May 21, 2012, 03:54:59 AM
this thread is true, everything in the thread is true, and it's been like it for at least a year, go figure
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: alaskan thunderfuck on May 21, 2012, 04:09:44 AM
We don't follow canon 100% because not only would it be difficult but it doesn't leave us much room for new things. Immersion, yeah, I agree. When you disable OOC it shouldn't include LOOC which I'll get a dev to change. Suggestions I also agree with you on, they don't really ever get done, usually because the suggestions are far too much work for what they're worth. Minges and new players are two completely different things. Both should be controlled by the admins and if they're not, the admins aren't doing a good enough job. Harsh punishments like you said however won't encourage people to learn - it'll encourage them to leave and never come back. The guns part, all I can do is laugh. I haven't sold a gun in like what, 6 months? You find it necessary to call me a fatass and say I do absolutely nothing, neither of the two are true. Sure, I don't do nearly as much as some other people but saying I do absolutely nothing isn't right. All of the reforms were terrible and yeah, the communication HC has is terrible.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: Martinerrr on May 21, 2012, 06:47:36 AM
When you disable OOC it shouldn't include LOOC

Code: [Select]
if ( self.classes[class] ) then
filter = self.classes[class].filter;
elseif (class == "pm" or class == "ooc" then
filtered = (NX_CONVAR_SHOWOOC:GetInt() == 0);
filter = "ooc";
else
filtered = (NX_CONVAR_SHOWIC:GetInt() == 0);
filter = "ic";
end;
fix'd, easy as fuck ^_^
garrysmod\garrysmod\gamemodes\openaura\gamemode\openaura\libraries\cl_chatbox (379)
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: The Joke on May 21, 2012, 12:57:35 PM
I actually find all these rage posts about city quite funny. I do not even really focus on the canon, I just RP. Like everyone should. Calling Rofl a fatass is not going to change anything...If you are going to leave then please. Just leave. Do not post something that has been suggested 1000 times.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: DeathByKittens on May 21, 2012, 01:26:02 PM
Don't fucking disable OOC entirely, that's retarded. Maybe apply a user-unique message per minute ban, but not all of OOC.

You say we have a differing canon to allow us "to do different things", but we don't do anything different. This community is so riddled with elitism that even getting someone to listen to your ideas is difficult, and a lot of the time, someone puts them into place and two days later someone else sees it and scraps it.

Roflwaffle, you don't play HL2RP. Raiden doesn't play HL2RP. I don't think TOMASAS plays it and I'm pretty sure he doesn't but for the purposes of this argument, he thus does not. None of you should have a say on what goes on. We should have a director appointed to the server, much like how TnB does it.

And I'll tell you what, it won't be just the SeC or an admin or whoever. I think we should elect them and they should have to put forward exactly why they applying and let voters decide for themselves. Once we remove the elitism and bureaucracy, we can actually fucking do something.

Y'know, we're arguing about the wrong things. Keeping minges under control etc. etc. HALF OF THEM AREN'T FUCKING MINGES. I ran a community for a year, and I know what I'm talking about; half of them are new players who don't have a clue what to do.

And no one wants to take the time to educate the influx of players CG gets, so we need to create an IC system for it. I'm spouting this out, sure, but I'll happily sit down with someone and work it all out, because I've done it before and I'll make it work again.

Auths are stupid too. Recruits shouldn't need auths to beat someone, they're damn Civil Protection units all the more, you shouldn't need HC auths for turning into a Scanner and you shouldn't get a blackmark for all the-

I'm getting too far into it. Vote someone to do it. NOT A COUNCIL TO DO IT, because that shit takes too long and having to clear it with lots of people will give us the same problem we already have. We can scrutinize and regulate this director by calling out mistakes or even having a vote to remove him from his position.

But whatever you do, VOTE IT IN. I'm sick of waiting for Roflwaffle or some random Superadmin to get on and deny a request. It's time we started dealing with things ICly and not focusing on problems like "Too many minges" or "EVERY1 HAS GUNS" (I've never seen a citizen with a gun). CG's HL2RP management has FAILED and it needs to be fixed pronto.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: Martinerrr on May 21, 2012, 01:27:35 PM
Don't fucking disable OOC entirely, that's retarded. Maybe apply a user-unique message per minute ban, but not all of OOC.
There's always been the ability for EVERY player to do 'aura_showooc 0' to turn off OOC Chat and what not, some people are just annoyed by it.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: DeathByKittens on May 21, 2012, 01:29:36 PM
Don't fucking disable OOC entirely, that's retarded. Maybe apply a user-unique message per minute ban, but not all of OOC.
There's always been the ability for EVERY player to do 'aura_showooc 0' to turn off OOC Chat and what not, some people are just annoyed by it.

Oh? Then people should be aware of that because, whilst OOC can be annoying, removing it just isn't a good idea.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: ??. McBullet on May 21, 2012, 01:44:33 PM
Alright. I don't really have much to say. Canon's not a significant problem. Minges will always exist along with new players. Admins, we need to step up and educate new players more often. Suggestions? We are in dire need of more devs. Rofl, you really, REALLY should start up an application process or just be on the lookout for people you'd like as trial devs for HL2RP. Communication? I agree. It's shit. We've got all sorts of methods of communication that we've standardized (admin boards, subforums, meeting dates) but it's really on us admins to take advantage of them. I believe that we really need to step up our game.

I'll throw in my two cents about rebels. Rofl has D6 as some restricted zone so it gives lolwebuls a place to run to so they don't interrupt citizenRP. Yet, with a D6 nearly twice as big than the citizenRP area, a balance is clearly lacking. The "lolwebul"zone should be scaled down immensely, made harder to get into, not so obviously guarded by the CCA (this actually attracts citizens who are bored out of their minds and are up for a game of "escape the ceepee"), and made to support very little RP. Then, the extra space can be re-allocated into places for legit citizenRP as well as CCARP.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: The Raven on May 21, 2012, 02:15:19 PM
I agree with BB's line of thinking. Although the god damn minges are getting out of hand one night all I saw in chat for a min. was OOC and ban orders. And the CCA should not be held back to much from giving punishments the CCA don't give a fuck about the civies and as such should be allowed to beat the shit out of them. And also we do need a better way of dealing with new players not kicking them all the time for stupid things that they did not know about. We need to gently help them along not beat the shit out of them OOC I mean damn people...
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: Orange - Cisco Certified on May 21, 2012, 02:53:03 PM
I agree with BB's line of thinking. Although the god damn minges are getting out of hand one night all I saw in chat for a min. was OOC and ban orders. And the CCA should not be held back to much from giving punishments the CCA don't give a fuck about the civies and as such should be allowed to beat the shit out of them. And also we do need a better way of dealing with new players not kicking them all the time for stupid things that they did not know about. We need to gently help them along not beat the shit out of them OOC I mean damn people...

You're clearly new to serious RP. You cannot simply assume that the single CP Unit doesn't care about the citizens. It's up to him.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: Martinerrr on May 21, 2012, 03:09:26 PM
Don't fucking disable OOC entirely, that's retarded. Maybe apply a user-unique message per minute ban, but not all of OOC.
There's always been the ability for EVERY player to do 'aura_showooc 0' to turn off OOC Chat and what not, some people are just annoyed by it.

Oh? Then people should be aware of that because, whilst OOC can be annoying, removing it just isn't a good idea.
That simple code you read does not remove OOC, it only disables if NX_CONVAR_SHOWOOC is false.
Which in some other file redirects to a concommand.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: DeathByKittens on May 21, 2012, 05:32:43 PM
Reposting because I feel people have missed it.


Don't fucking disable OOC entirely, that's retarded. Maybe apply a user-unique message per minute ban, but not all of OOC.

You say we have a differing canon to allow us "to do different things", but we don't do anything different. This community is so riddled with elitism that even getting someone to listen to your ideas is difficult, and a lot of the time, someone puts them into place and two days later someone else sees it and scraps it.

Roflwaffle, you don't play HL2RP. Raiden doesn't play HL2RP. I don't think TOMASAS plays it and I'm pretty sure he doesn't but for the purposes of this argument, he thus does not. None of you should have a say on what goes on. We should have a director appointed to the server, much like how TnB does it.

And I'll tell you what, it won't be just the SeC or an admin or whoever. I think we should elect them and they should have to put forward exactly why they applying and let voters decide for themselves. Once we remove the elitism and bureaucracy, we can actually fucking do something.

Y'know, we're arguing about the wrong things. Keeping minges under control etc. etc. HALF OF THEM AREN'T FUCKING MINGES. I ran a community for a year, and I know what I'm talking about; half of them are new players who don't have a clue what to do.

And no one wants to take the time to educate the influx of players CG gets, so we need to create an IC system for it. I'm spouting this out, sure, but I'll happily sit down with someone and work it all out, because I've done it before and I'll make it work again.

Auths are stupid too. Recruits shouldn't need auths to beat someone, they're damn Civil Protection units all the more, you shouldn't need HC auths for turning into a Scanner and you shouldn't get a blackmark for all the-

I'm getting too far into it. Vote someone to do it. NOT A COUNCIL TO DO IT, because that shit takes too long and having to clear it with lots of people will give us the same problem we already have. We can scrutinize and regulate this director by calling out mistakes or even having a vote to remove him from his position.

But whatever you do, VOTE IT IN. I'm sick of waiting for Roflwaffle or some random Superadmin to get on and deny a request. It's time we started dealing with things ICly and not focusing on problems like "Too many minges" or "EVERY1 HAS GUNS" (I've never seen a citizen with a gun). CG's HL2RP management has FAILED and it needs to be fixed pronto.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: Lone Wanderer on May 21, 2012, 06:46:16 PM
Since I don't really have anything different to say about the other topics, I'm just going to stick to canon with this post. Let's get started...

People who complain that CG doesn't abide by canon;here's what I have to say to you. I really, really hate to break it too you, but if you wanted to base the server entirely off of what Valve's provided you through the actual game, it'd go nowhere. It would be the same game, same scenario over and over again. If you actually decided to use some form of logic every once and awhile, not every single thing that happens in the Half-Life 2 universe is the exact same as what goes on throughout the game of Half-Life 2. For one thing, City 17 is the Union's seat of power on Earth; they'd obviously have it much more well protected and managed then the rest of the planet. They're obviously not going to have weak people representing their seat of power, so it'd make sense the CCA throughout the game are complete hardasses. My second point would be the complaints about all the insane and stupid m urderers/rapists/cultists/insane people that are around the server. If I'm correct in this statement, we're only, what, a few years into the Combine's occupation of Earth? They wouldn't have killed off all those people at this point. This brings me into my third and final point. Half-Life 2 occurs much later than where we are now. Seeing as this is a factor, the CCA and the Union would not be as powerful as they are in the game and wouldn't have as strong of a grip on humanity.

There's my 2 cents I guess. Feel free to make corrctions on my canon, it'd be akward if you did.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: ??. McBullet on May 21, 2012, 10:33:47 PM
DBK, I'll address a little snippet of your repost regarding how the SeC/admins should be chosen for HL2RP.

I'd gladly give up all power I have to a leader who is elected in a completely democratic way that involves and values the opinions of all gamers in the community equally and fairly. I'm all for democracy, don't get me wrong.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: alaskan thunderfuck on May 22, 2012, 05:44:42 AM
Since I don't really have anything different to say about the other topics, I'm just going to stick to canon with this post. Let's get started...

People who complain that CG doesn't abide by canon;here's what I have to say to you. I really, really hate to break it too you, but if you wanted to base the server entirely off of what Valve's provided you through the actual game, it'd go nowhere. It would be the same game, same scenario over and over again. If you actually decided to use some form of logic every once and awhile, not every single thing that happens in the Half-Life 2 universe is the exact same as what goes on throughout the game of Half-Life 2. For one thing, City 17 is the Union's seat of power on Earth; they'd obviously have it much more well protected and managed then the rest of the planet. They're obviously not going to have weak people representing their seat of power, so it'd make sense the CCA throughout the game are complete hardasses. My second point would be the complaints about all the insane and stupid m urderers/rapists/cultists/insane people that are around the server. If I'm correct in this statement, we're only, what, a few years into the Combine's occupation of Earth? They wouldn't have killed off all those people at this point. This brings me into my third and final point. Half-Life 2 occurs much later than where we are now. Seeing as this is a factor, the CCA and the Union would not be as powerful as they are in the game and wouldn't have as strong of a grip on humanity.

There's my 2 cents I guess. Feel free to make corrctions on my canon, it'd be akward if you did.
Basically summed it all up on the canon part.
DBK, I'll address a little snippet of your repost regarding how the SeC/admins should be chosen for HL2RP.

I'd gladly give up all power I have to a leader who is elected in a completely democratic way that involves and values the opinions of all gamers in the community equally and fairly. I'm all for democracy, don't get me wrong.
This is a garry's mod community, not a government. We're not going to be running it like one.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: The Mysterious Stranger on May 22, 2012, 06:38:28 AM
 If you don't like it then I expect you people to head to another community because all I hear is jealousy and what not. End of discussion for me here.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: The Joke on May 22, 2012, 11:26:58 AM
Not even any point to this thread really...Just turning into insulting Rofl which is kind of stupid...
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: DeathByKittens on May 22, 2012, 05:17:01 PM
This is a garry's mod community, not a government. We're not going to be running it like one.

Exactly, so start running it like a COMMUNITY where we all matter and where you aren't making random dumb decisions that result in a lesser experience for us all. So far, you haven't presented anyone with the ability to lift us out of this stale, shite roleplay, so let us choose someone ourselves. With such a populated server, we have the ability to create something great, so I'd like to think you'll realise that, instead of discarding the idea for no good reason at all.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: alaskan thunderfuck on May 22, 2012, 05:27:28 PM
This is a garry's mod community, not a government. We're not going to be running it like one.

Exactly, so start running it like a COMMUNITY where we all matter and where you aren't making random dumb decisions that result in a lesser experience for us all. So far, you haven't presented anyone with the ability to lift us out of this stale, shite roleplay, so let us choose someone ourselves. With such a populated server, we have the ability to create something great, so I'd like to think you'll realise that, instead of discarding the idea for no good reason at all.
REALLY? The only fucking thing I've restricted is sweeps. How is that restricting everything?
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: DeathByKittens on May 22, 2012, 05:53:55 PM
This is a garry's mod community, not a government. We're not going to be running it like one.

Exactly, so start running it like a COMMUNITY where we all matter and where you aren't making random dumb decisions that result in a lesser experience for us all. So far, you haven't presented anyone with the ability to lift us out of this stale, shite roleplay, so let us choose someone ourselves. With such a populated server, we have the ability to create something great, so I'd like to think you'll realise that, instead of discarding the idea for no good reason at all.
REALLY? The only fucking thing I've restricted is sweeps. How is that restricting everything?

No, I'm saying let us pick someone who tells us they have ideas and let us try them out. At the end of the day, someone somewhere up high has decided against an idea, because the server has nothing going on ever. I'm not talking about events, I'm talking about stuff that happens as a daily occurrence. There is no unique canon or procedure or anything. I'd be incredibly surprised if no one has ever put anything good forward, and I'd be surprised even further if I could propose something, here at the bottom of the food chain, and have it come out past the top end without it being completely modified and changed.

I want someone to go to directly. Someone who can take ideas and implement them without running it past x y and z. I want someone  who can make huge changes that we need. And I think it's time we elect someone from the people to run things for the people. That way we can't complain if it goes tits up, we can't say "Roflwaffle is an x" or "CG Staff are y", that way we can see directly what went wrong, who caused it to go wrong, and in the unlikely case that it does, move on and find another solution.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: Pielolz on May 22, 2012, 08:40:54 PM
I agree with BB and DBK here.


Also, permabanning people based on 0 evidence is no way to run things.


Yes, I mean me, and I bet smt can agree with that statement.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: The Doctor, RIP Juggernaut on May 22, 2012, 09:57:52 PM
I agree with BB and DBK here.


Also, permabanning people based on 0 evidence is no way to run things.


Yes, I mean me, and I bet smt can agree with that statement.
Here we go again...


DBK if you have suggestions post them in a thread in the suggestion area or PM it to a SeC, if rofl over rules it then it was something most likely dumb.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: ??. McBullet on May 22, 2012, 10:10:50 PM
DBK, I'll address a little snippet of your repost regarding how the SeC/admins should be chosen for HL2RP.

I'd gladly give up all power I have to a leader who is elected in a completely democratic way that involves and values the opinions of all gamers in the community equally and fairly. I'm all for democracy, don't get me wrong.
This is a garry's mod community, not a government. We're not going to be running it like one.

Actually, any sort of community's got a government in one form or another.
Roflwaffle, let me throw out some synonyms of government.

Administration.
Management.
Pretty sure we have those.

Government is any system of leadership in a community or group of people. Helloooo? The Administration Team at CG is a government. Just because I utter the word "democracy" does not mean I want the U.S. Government up in this shit. Don't use sweeping generalizations like that. You're missing my point. What I'm trying to support is a system where the community has more of a decision-making ability. Everyone should be able to have the opportunity to have their input or vote count toward the next piece of change we shove down their throats.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: ReDrUm?´´?´° on May 22, 2012, 11:08:55 PM
While I firmly believe that the community should be able to give input, and see results from their input, running a democracy on a Garry's Mod server doesn't work.

Let's face it: The Garry's Mod community is a bunch of stuck up teenagers who think they are a lot more mature than they really are. It's a bunch of people who think they know what they are doing, but really don't have a fucking clue. It's full of people who think they know what's best, but really don't. If Rofl left everything up to the community, and every decision was made based off a vote by the community, it would crash and burn. The Garry's Mod community (Yes, even CG) is overall not mature, or intelligent enough to know what it takes to run a server.

That being said, I'm not saying that Rofl should make decisions for his own good, and his own good alone. I think that listening to community input is very important, actually. I'm saying that people can't flip every time someone makes a decision without clearing it with the entire community.

/endrant.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: smt on May 23, 2012, 02:14:07 AM
While I firmly believe that the community should be able to give input, and see results from their input, running a democracy on a Garry's Mod server doesn't work.

Let's face it: The Garry's Mod community is a bunch of stuck up teenagers who think they are a lot more mature than they really are. It's a bunch of people who think they know what they are doing, but really don't have a fucking clue. It's full of people who think they know what's best, but really don't. If Rofl left everything up to the community, and every decision was made based off a vote by the community, it would crash and burn. The Garry's Mod community (Yes, even CG) is overall not mature, or intelligent enough to know what it takes to run a server.

That being said, I'm not saying that Rofl should make decisions for his own good, and his own good alone. I think that listening to community input is very important, actually. I'm saying that people can't flip every time someone makes a decision without clearing it with the entire community.

/endrant.

ouch that was offensive
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: DeathByKittens on May 23, 2012, 09:15:40 AM
While I firmly believe that the community should be able to give input, and see results from their input, running a democracy on a Garry's Mod server doesn't work.

Let's face it: The Garry's Mod community is a bunch of stuck up teenagers who think they are a lot more mature than they really are. It's a bunch of people who think they know what they are doing, but really don't have a fucking clue. It's full of people who think they know what's best, but really don't. If Rofl left everything up to the community, and every decision was made based off a vote by the community, it would crash and burn. The Garry's Mod community (Yes, even CG) is overall not mature, or intelligent enough to know what it takes to run a server.

That being said, I'm not saying that Rofl should make decisions for his own good, and his own good alone. I think that listening to community input is very important, actually. I'm saying that people can't flip every time someone makes a decision without clearing it with the entire community.

/endrant.

1. Roflwaffle is an immature teen

2. Nice generalisations.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: Statua on May 23, 2012, 09:21:30 AM
While I firmly believe that the community should be able to give input, and see results from their input, running a democracy on a Garry's Mod server doesn't work.

Let's face it: The Garry's Mod community is a bunch of stuck up teenagers who think they are a lot more mature than they really are. It's a bunch of people who think they know what they are doing, but really don't have a fucking clue. It's full of people who think they know what's best, but really don't. If Rofl left everything up to the community, and every decision was made based off a vote by the community, it would crash and burn. The Garry's Mod community (Yes, even CG) is overall not mature, or intelligent enough to know what it takes to run a server.

That being said, I'm not saying that Rofl should make decisions for his own good, and his own good alone. I think that listening to community input is very important, actually. I'm saying that people can't flip every time someone makes a decision without clearing it with the entire community.

/endrant.
QFT

You sir are a hypocrit.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: ReDrUm?´´?´° on May 23, 2012, 04:50:22 PM
While I firmly believe that the community should be able to give input, and see results from their input, running a democracy on a Garry's Mod server doesn't work.

Let's face it: The Garry's Mod community is a bunch of stuck up teenagers who think they are a lot more mature than they really are. It's a bunch of people who think they know what they are doing, but really don't have a fucking clue. It's full of people who think they know what's best, but really don't. If Rofl left everything up to the community, and every decision was made based off a vote by the community, it would crash and burn. The Garry's Mod community (Yes, even CG) is overall not mature, or intelligent enough to know what it takes to run a server.

That being said, I'm not saying that Rofl should make decisions for his own good, and his own good alone. I think that listening to community input is very important, actually. I'm saying that people can't flip every time someone makes a decision without clearing it with the entire community.

/endrant.
QFT

You sir are a hypocrit.

Not 100% sure which part of that post makes me a hypocrite, please do explain.

DBK- Yes, those were generalizations. I never mentioned names for a specific reason: Not every player Garry's Mod player falls under them. I'm saying that overall, the Garry's Mod community is immature, is over-confident, and lacks the experience and know-how to run a server.

Sorry if I offended anyone, it wasn't my purpose. I was just stating my observations from my personal experience in Garry's Mod.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: DeathByKittens on May 23, 2012, 07:01:37 PM
But it is nevertheless irrelevant because we would be picking someone who doesn't fall under that category, wouldn't we?
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: Statua on May 23, 2012, 07:07:12 PM
You claimed we were all immature and don't know what we're doing. Have you actually looked into it? Have you seen the inner workings? You know, awhile ago me Burning Bullet and Yankee Samurai had the inner working of the CCA down to the point. It was organized. It ran smoothly. Yes, to this date the inner workings have failed, however there are still a fair amount of us here who know what's going on. If you look at the inner working of nova, the organization is perfect. I don't know about the rest of the divisions but I know for a fact NOVA isn't going to have any organizational problems right now. Yes, there are a fair amount of inactive units but some of us have other things that need to be done.

As for the rest of HL2RP, I cannot speak for it as I myself haven't looked into the inner workings. People do have great ideas and a fair amount of them would benefit to the community in a good way. Speaking of which, what ideas do you see that would cause failure?

Your assuming and not doing your 'homework' is what made me call you a hypocrit.

Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: ReDrUm?´´?´° on May 23, 2012, 07:53:03 PM
As I said, I didn't mention names for a reason. I never said "Statua you are immature, and don't know what you're doing.". I said that the Garry's Mod community in general is immature, and doesn't know what they are doing. I never said "You are all immature and you don't know what you're doing." (Which you claim I did.)

I personally have no problems with anyone at Catalyst, although I do think some think that they are a lot more mature then they really are, I really don't have a problem with them.

I never once mentioned the CCA, or really HL2RP at all. I never once said that it was disorganized. I said that a server can't be run as a total democracy. Also, I agree, NOVA is greatly organized- I have a unit in NOVA(280).

Lastly, I really haven't been apart of CG for long at all, and haven't seen any suggestions that would "cause failure". I am talking out of my experiences with past servers where things are ran with too much of a democracy, and have ultimately after a while lead to the closing of the server.

All I'm really saying is that majority of Garry's Mod players are immature, and aren't experienced enough to make certain decisions. Thus, I think that running a server with a full on democracy is not a good idea. Once again, I didn't mean to offend anyone with the posting of my message, and if I did, I apologize.  I'm just sharing my experiences.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: The Mysterious Stranger on May 23, 2012, 09:46:08 PM
 One more thing, the authorization applications are not being checked often because mine wasn't even checked for 23 days. Come on administration staff, you can do better than that. We are sick and tired of being in the waiting room for our threads to be checked. Yes, suggestion threads aren't checked often and other threads aswell.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: DeathByKittens on May 24, 2012, 12:27:20 PM
A full democracy? I propose that ONE person and ONE person alone is appointed to HL2RP Director. No one else, and we all vote. I fail to see how that idea would fail "because the gmod community is immature"?
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: Statua on May 24, 2012, 12:52:56 PM
I think there should be a committe of 4-6 people not including owners who should make the decisions. One mind is good but 4 is better cause if that one mind makes a poor decision, the other three can help change that mind.

Better yet. Have a single person on the committe make the decisions as a chairman/woman and the rest help him/her make decisions.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: The Doctor, RIP Juggernaut on May 24, 2012, 01:12:11 PM
Dawwwwwwwww you guys are just so cute thinking what you post here will effect anything.

This is what will happen: People are picked, people bitch at the people that were picked not following their views(CCA more than likely) then people will want a voice(Outlands which already gets fuck all in the way of effecting rules) drama ensues.


Does this remind anyone of anything?
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: cookiesofamerica on May 24, 2012, 02:12:43 PM
Dawwwwwwwww you guys are just so cute thinking what you post here will effect anything.

This is what will happen: People are picked, people bitch at the people that were picked not following their views(CCA more than likely) then people will want a voice(Outlands which already gets fuck all in the way of effecting rules) drama ensues.


Does this remind anyone of anything?

Then make it a cycle of course Here is one

1. The majority(The players like you and me) decides to have an idea and believe person 1 is not fit for power.

2. The admins review the suggestion and vote and discuss it if the person is fit or not. Also the person who isn't fit isn't monitored.

3. Then it goes to the owners, if 2 out of 3 agree against the other about the issue it will be in affect. If it doesn't the admin team can do the same issue again and make a compromise of what the owner(s) didn't like.

Quite simple really.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: Pielolz on May 28, 2012, 03:58:34 PM
LOL, the players have no say at CG, the only thing that matters about you is the money in your pockets. That's the only reason why Rofl does anything to please the majority (the very little he does) That's why the only way shit gets done is if you through money at the gelatinous blob that devours money, hotwings and communities. (CG, if you didn't already know)
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: The Mysterious Stranger on June 10, 2012, 12:32:46 PM
LOL, the players have no say at CG, the only thing that matters about you is the money in your pockets. That's the only reason why Rofl does anything to please the majority (the very little he does) That's why the only way shit gets done is if you through money at the gelatinous blob that devours money, hotwings and communities. (CG, if you didn't already know)
I totally agree with that comment you gave out because RoflWaffle just doesn't post his opinions nor he doesn't care at all (neutrally). Many of us has seen it with our own eyes. A great owner is a active owner.
Title: Re: The Catalyst Issue (Major flame.)
Post by: smt on June 10, 2012, 12:40:04 PM
Waffle does care, he's just got a life now (whoa), he doesn't have time to sit on his PC organizing the server for us - I think things are going to change with Kronic now an owner and basicly "managing" the hl2rp server, also after reading a "certain thread" about Renegade in the HC section I have to start disagreeing with him....
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