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Half-Life 2 Roleplay => Topic started by: SatN on April 27, 2012, 08:20:48 PM
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The Current CCA is a copy of Taco n Banana's Basis, Numbers, Squads, et cetera. The Combine Civil Authority is ment to be a HUMAN faction, not filled with digits and drone like procedures. If any of you, have watched Combine Nation, you would understand what i'm referring to: Constable, Lieutenant, Captain, Instead of having squads for different roles, such as VICE, you would have a department lead by a 'Chief', as seen in Combine Nation. I don't mean to copy it to the full extent, but it would give a divresity to this community, it wouldn't have such an over-used aspect of TnB's Half-life 2 Role-Play.
Post your opinions below!
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I Agree, we need to stand out more. The CCA isn't a transhuman super army like the COTA are. They're still HUMAN. That's a key word there. We, don't need people coming into the CCA and seeing the long ass digit title, and being like DAYUM IM A ROBOT NOW and destroying peoples spinal columns, and just going to break peoples legs because I recommend it. Think about it people, come on. Would YOU really break some poor chaps legs because someone named 619 told you to even though he's an 03 and sells baby organs? This is Roleplay, not come-up-with-the-most-destructive-death-for-someone-play. I've actually VOLUNTEERED to ruin my life as Sectorial, so I can make some positive change within this community's CCA. I'm giving up time that I could use to spend with my girlfriend who I miss more than anything, I'm giving up time I could use to boost my grades in school and get an education, I'm giving up any kind of social life to try and make you guys happy. HC Isn't the only group at fault, we ALL are. We ALL played a part in the destruction of the CCA. Not just HC, not just the Units, not just the Sectorial and Commanders. Instead of playing the blame game like little dumb fucking children, which I understand most of us are in the 11-20's range, we need to accept the fact that we fucked up, not place it on someone else. Moral of the story: Don't be a fucking child, Don't play the Blame Game, and Roleplay.
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The CCA will always have problems. It happens in all community's. People say that something sucks and then all others contribute to it and it causes a massive shit storm. You have to deal with all of the stuff that is happening. Simply making all these changes does nothing.
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I'd just need a bit more details before I could vote. Combine Nation was funny. It made me piss my pants quite literally, and my Divisional-Leader 298 is one of the most kind, human, units you will find. Treat everyone like a brother, is his motto. But off that. I actually don't know? I loved Combine Nation, I'd do that. But I'd also like to keep it due to well... I don't exactly see what--... like... I don't know how this will operate. Further uh... you know, details needed.
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I'd just need a bit more details before I could vote. Combine Nation was funny. It made me piss my pants quite literally, and my Divisional-Leader 298 is one of the most kind, human, units you will find. Treat everyone like a brother, is his motto. But off that. I actually don't know? I loved Combine Nation, I'd do that. But I'd also like to keep it due to well... I don't exactly see what--... like... I don't know how this will operate. Further uh... you know, details needed.
A kind DvL.. this is great..
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I'd like to see the combine nation style. Change is good. Brb watching combine nation.
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I'd like to see the combine nation style. Change is good. Brb watching combine nation.
This ^. People don't like change, It takes them out of their comfort zone, what they are used to. And Purple, Changes DO fix things, changes are the only way to fix what is wrong, you must CHANGE it. Combine Nation was a comedy style illustration of how the MPF/CCA Should be run. If it doesn't work out, a click of a button and it is back. Not a big deal.
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VOTE YES FOR....
Main Sociostability Body- You've got to act as the main police force. Most command focus should go here to make this the largest and most desirable. This will have the most positions and will keep all units actively engaged.
Specialized Divisions- Command will focus a lot less on these. There will be one Captain (Called the Chief Medical Officer for medical and the Chief Technical Officer for engineering) and one Lieutenant acting at the Captain's assistant and division supervisor. These specializations will become much smaller and a lot more selective. No longer will they be able to enforce sociostability under normal circumstances, and they will give up some of their jobs to the main sociostability body. You'll probably be in the Nexus most of the time, and 99 percent of your interactions will be with other units.
Medical, which will be more of an emergency response detachment and will also engage in medical research. We'd be combining some different public service branches.
Engineering, which would focus on Nexus maintenance, systems management, and infrastructure repairs.
ZEALOT will become a detachment from the main sociostability body, assuming the roles of detectives. This will be as selective as the other specializations, but will be a bit larger.
Training Protocol:
Currently the biggest issue with rank progression is the fact that units only play for the sake of promotions, and we base promotions only off of time requirements and training completion. With my system in place, recruits receive a complete set of standard sociostability trainings before they reach the rank of Officer. This would force promotions to be gained by experience and good work, and your performance as an officer would actually correlate to your rank.
Suggested Rank Design:
RCT--->Recruit, an acceptee into the CCA. They will be responsible for attending recruit training sessions and can report to Lance Corporals for advice or mentoring.
05--->Officer, the basic police officer, entry-level rank after recruit training is complete.
04--->Officer, First Class, an Officer who has been recognized for merit in duty.
03--->Lance Corporal, recognized for experience and excellence in duty. They are who the newbies look up to.
02--->Corporal, the Sergeant assistants. One per Sergeant. They will be training the majority of the time.
01--->Sergeant, Chief NCO who polices the units in his or her division. Their experience makes them the ones lower ranks look up to for mentoring and training. Two per specialized division, four in the main sociostability body.
OfC--->Lieutenant, one per Specialized Division (as Lieutenant Chief Officers) and three in the main sociostability body.
DvL--->Captain, one per division, acting as the leaders of the division.
CmD--->Major, XO who acts as the chief supervisor of the Civil Protection Police Force.
SeC--->Police Commissioner/Police Chief/Chief Superintendent, commands the Civil Protection.
General Suggestions:
Main Sociostability Body- You've got to act as the main police force. Most command focus should go here to make this the largest and most desirable. This will have the most positions and will keep all units actively engaged.
Specialized Divisions- Command will focus a lot less on these. There will be one Captain (Called the Chief Medical Officer for medical and the Chief Technical Officer for engineering) and one Lieutenant acting at the Captain's assistant and division supervisor. These specializations will become much smaller and a lot more selective. No longer will they be able to enforce sociostability under normal circumstances, and they will give up some of their jobs to the main sociostability body. You'll probably be in the Nexus most of the time, and 99 percent of your interactions will be with other units. The ranks will be as follows.
Medical, which will be more of an emergency response detachment and will also engage in medical research. We'd be combining some different public service branches.
05--->Medical Trainee
04--->Medical Intern
03--->Medical Unit
02--->Medical Specialist
01--->Medical Sergeant
Engineering, which would focus on Nexus maintenance, systems management, and infrastructure repairs, would have their own rank names as well.
05--->Technical Trainee
04--->Technician Basic
03--->Technician
02--->Technical Specialist
01--->Technical Sergeant
ZEALOT will become a detachment from the main sociostability body, assuming the roles of detectives. This will be as selective as the other specializations, but will be a bit larger. One Captain called the Chief Investigator will preside over the division, being assisted by a Lieutenant. The ranks will be as follows.
05--->Detective Trainee
04--->Detective I
03--->Detective II
02--->Detective III
01--->Investigative Sergeant
These seem hard to put on our scoreboard and would cause clutter, right? Well, let's make it a policy for admins to set the CUSTOM CLASS of different people to organize them into their specializations.
Training Protocol:
Currently the biggest issue with rank progression is the fact that units only play for the sake of promotions, and we base promotions only off of time requirements and training completion. With my system in place, recruits receive a complete set of standard sociostability trainings before they reach the rank of Officer. This would force promotions to be gained by experience and good work, and your performance as an officer would actually correlate to your rank.
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I'm willing to give it a try. I can see some difficulties coming along with this, but it's still worth a try. I really don't have much to say but that. I voted yes.
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Suggested Rank Design:
RCT--->Recruit, an acceptee into the CCA. They will be responsible for attending recruit training sessions and can report to Lance Corporals for advice or mentoring.
05--->Officer, the basic police officer, entry-level rank after recruit training is complete.
04--->Officer, First Class, an Officer who has been recognized for merit in duty.
03--->Lance Corporal, recognized for experience and excellence in duty. They are who the newbies look up to.
02--->Corporal, the Sergeant assistants. One per Sergeant.
01--->Sergeant, Chief NCO who polices the units in his or her division. Their experience makes them the ones lower ranks look up to for mentoring and training. Two per specialized division, four in the main sociostability body.
OfC--->Lieutenant, one per Specialized Division (as Lieutenant Chief Officers) and three in the main sociostability body.
DvL--->Captain, one per division, acting as the leaders of the division.
CmD--->Major, XO who acts as the chief supervisor of the Civil Protection Police Force.
SeC--->Police Commissioner/Police Chief/Chief Superintendent, commands the Civil Protection.
General Suggestions:
Main Sociostability Body- You've got to act as the main police force. Most command focus should go here to make this the largest and most desirable. This will have the most positions and will keep all units actively engaged.
Specialized Divisions- Command will focus a lot less on these. There will be one Captain (Called the Chief Medical Officer for medical and the Chief Technical Officer for engineering) and one Lieutenant acting at the Captain's assistant and division supervisor. These specializations will become much smaller and a lot more selective. No longer will they be able to enforce sociostability under normal circumstances, and they will give up some of their jobs to the main sociostability body. You'll probably be in the Nexus most of the time, and 99 percent of your interactions will be with other units. The ranks will be as follows.
Medical, which will be more of an emergency response detachment and will also engage in medical research. We'd be combining some different public service branches.
05--->Medical Trainee
04--->Medical Intern
03--->Medical Unit
02--->Medical Specialist
01--->Medical Sergeant
Engineering, which would focus on Nexus maintenance, systems management, and infrastructure repairs, would have their own rank names as well.
05--->Technical Trainee
04--->Technician Basic
03--->Technician
02--->Technical Specialist
01--->Technical Sergeant
ZEALOT will become a detachment from the main sociostability body, assuming the roles of detectives. This will be as selective as the other specializations, but will be a bit larger. One Captain called the Chief Investigator will preside over the division, being assisted by a Lieutenant. The ranks will be as follows.
05--->Detective Trainee
04--->Detective I
03--->Detective II
02--->Detective III
01--->Investigative Sergeant
These seem hard to put on our scoreboard and would cause clutter, right? Well, let's make it a policy for admins to set the CUSTOM CLASS of different people to organize them into their specializations.
This, Will be instigated if the majority vote the primary.
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I reccommend this:
05: Deputy
04: Constable
03: Officer
(or switch constable and officer depending on, whatever)
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People will complain of this as well as I see it. They did with the latest reforms and people got lazy as usual. I don't really care if it is made or not like this.
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If it doesn't work out, a click of a button and it is back. Not a big deal.
If you're sure, then I'm willing to try BB's way. I think it will be an interesting experiment and if it works out great, but if it doesn't then I do hope we can revert back as you said without much hassle.
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People will complain of this as well as I see it. They did with the latest reforms and people got lazy as usual. I don't really care if it is made or not like this.
Got any better ideas, Mr. Constructive? The latest reforms were a fluke; nothing was actually changed. My suggestion would change the entire scope of progression through the CCA.
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Personally, I don't see the problem with the current status of the CCA(Units numbers, ranks, etc.) It isn't really the "name" that makes a player RP more human, it's the role-player themselves. Sure... maybe this "renaming" might push players towards rp-ing more humanely but they can do that already, I doubt anyone would have problems with Units calling each other names over their digits. Although Civil Protection isn't the greatest example for canon, it simply depicts two not so stellar Units going along with their monotonous lifestyles. Anyone can follow that example and form a bond with another if not many other units, a single Unit might even be on a first name basis with everyone. What I'm trying to say is that, I'm down for this change but I don't really think it'll do much due to roleplay quality being in control of the roleplayers themselves, not the script around them.
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You guys know what I see in this new CCA? A unique system away from the mainstream TnB system. It seems like a good idea. Anyway its just a game. What's the worst that could happen?
I just think CG should use their own system. Stand out from the crowds of TnB lookalikes. Besides. Its not like it's going against canon as there is no official canonical information for this kind of thing.
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Personally, I don't see the problem with the current status of the CCA(Units numbers, ranks, etc.) It isn't really the "name" that makes a player RP more human, it's the role-player themselves. Sure... maybe this "renaming" might push players towards rp-ing more humanely but they can do that already, I doubt anyone would have problems with Units calling each other names over their digits. Although Civil Protection isn't the greatest example for canon, it simply depicts two not so stellar Units going along with their monotonous lifestyles. Anyone can follow that example and form a bond with another if not many other units, a single Unit might even be on a first name basis with everyone. What I'm trying to say is that, I'm down for this change but I don't really think it'll do much due to roleplay quality being in control of the roleplayers themselves, not the script around them.
Good point. What do you think of recruits learning everything before promotion into the system so they can actually focus on doing well over filling out their own little manifests?
And what do you think of making the main sociostability force more desirable by giving them more positions?
And what do you think of downsizing the specializations (they aren't supposed to be larger than the main body) and making them much more selective, as well as removing sociostability from their standard directives?
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Suggested Rank Design:
RCT--->Recruit, an acceptee into the CCA. They will be responsible for attending recruit training sessions and can report to Lance Corporals for advice or mentoring.
05--->Officer, the basic police officer, entry-level rank after recruit training is complete.
04--->Officer, First Class, an Officer who has been recognized for merit in duty.
03--->Lance-Corporal, recognized for experience and excellence in duty. They are who the newbies look up to. (This I would change to: Lance-Officer.)
02--->Corporal, the Sergeant assistants. One per Sergeant. They will be training the majority of the time. (You can use Corporal Or. Supervisor.)
01--->Sergeant, Chief NCO who polices the units in his or her division. Their experience makes them the ones lower ranks look up to for mentoring and training. Two per specialized division, four in the main sociostability body.
OfC--->Lieutenant, one per Specialized Division (as Lieutenant Chief Officers) and three in the main sociostability body.
DvL--->Captain, one per division, acting as the leaders of the division.
CmD--->Major, XO who acts as the chief supervisor of the Civil Protection Police Force. (I would change this to: Superintendent.)
SeC--->Police Commissioner/Police Chief/Chief Superintendent, commands the Civil Protection.
Either way, I stand on this the following way: It's a game, and I'm here to enjoy it. You can change a system around, you keep it the same. You can wipe a division, you can leave it be. But you need to physically implement yourself with devotion in-order to get something kicked arise out of it. To people who are a bit moped on this; there's two types of people in this world. Those in the first group, and those in the second group.
The first group has a glitter of hope in their eyes that tells them things will turn out simply fine, and that no-matter the odds, they keep strong arms out for change, and open hearts. They have faith, and they trust, and they overcome what will be throttled their way. They see things positively.
The second group is on their own, they have fear for the future and what changes it will bring. Everything that's a potential and isn't a positive-positive is turned down and salted over, they're afraid, and they fear. They have no faith, and they believe they can only trust themselves. They feel it will fail from the start.
Are you group number one or two?
I see this as a miracle of oppurtunity; and a bunch-bag-of-fun.
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VOTE YES FOR....
Main Sociostability Body- You've got to act as the main police force. Most command focus should go here to make this the largest and most desirable. This will have the most positions and will keep all units actively engaged.
Specialized Divisions- Command will focus a lot less on these. There will be one Captain (Called the Chief Medical Officer for medical and the Chief Technical Officer for engineering) and one Lieutenant acting at the Captain's assistant and division supervisor. These specializations will become much smaller and a lot more selective. No longer will they be able to enforce sociostability under normal circumstances, and they will give up some of their jobs to the main sociostability body. You'll probably be in the Nexus most of the time, and 99 percent of your interactions will be with other units.
Medical, which will be more of an emergency response detachment and will also engage in medical research. We'd be combining some different public service branches.
Engineering, which would focus on Nexus maintenance, systems management, and infrastructure repairs.
ZEALOT will become a detachment from the main sociostability body, assuming the roles of detectives. This will be as selective as the other specializations, but will be a bit larger.
Training Protocol:
Currently the biggest issue with rank progression is the fact that units only play for the sake of promotions, and we base promotions only off of time requirements and training completion. With my system in place, recruits receive a complete set of standard sociostability trainings before they reach the rank of Officer. This would force promotions to be gained by experience and good work, and your performance as an officer would actually correlate to your rank.
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Like I said, I really do not care. I am going to go with the flow and see how long it lasts. And IF I see some idiot with the name LT. Tibbles, it will be the end.
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If anyone's Tibbles... that's me.
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If anyone's Tibbles... that's me.
You obviously want to die.
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I always thought of the general idea of this in my head, but never did I think it would be remotely a good idea. But now that I see there is actual support and a very well organized structure behind it, I'm sure it will work well. I like the fact that the lower ranked Units still have a significance in the way the whole CCA runs, instead of being the innocent new CPs who will get their skull pulled out their ass by an 01 for showing emotion or slack that a human would have. I agree with this suggestion 100 percent.
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I can actually see something like this working, I would like very much for this to happen, maybe a lot less bullshit might arise so fast. Ranks based on actually earning them, rather than just waiting a week and copy pasting google.
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This sounds incredibly stupid. You may as well chuck on darkRP. The whole point of the Combine establishing a Metro Police force is to maintain sociostability without the use of military because they're trying to indoctrinate them into the Universal Union/Combine. Dumbing down the CCA into the equivalent of the UK police force will drop half the logical canon feelings about citizens being oppressed by the CCA because they're considered alienated from the rest of humanity as with each rank promotion units sacrifice bits of their humanity for better treatment, such as when Dispatch makes the mention to units that they can be rewarded with non-mechanical reproduction as a mission reward.
If this goes through you may as well give the CP's stunsticks only and a fitting hat to go with it.
(http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1491/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1491R-1131668.jpg)
The current CCA isn't a copy of TnB. TnB is copying Half-Life 2 canon, and so are we.
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Whoever thinks this combine nation bullshit is a good idea, is a fucking moron.
First, in HL2, did you see a retarded CP with a bucket on his head shoving donuts up his asshole? No you didn't, why? Because HL2 isn't fucking stupid. You claim serious roleplay? This is as far beyond serious roleplay you can get. This is on the verge of Dark DM, and if you actually put this into action, I will declare CG's HL2RP to be the BIGGEST PILE OF SHIT EVER. Because 1: This is an abomination of Canon., 2 It isn't serious. 3: This is a bad attempt at humor. 4: It will KILL serious RP, as there is no form of dicipline in Cumbean Nation.
As above, would you like to give them donuts and a fucking hat to go with it? Anyone that likes this is a stupid twat that doesn't get what HL2 SERIOUS RP is about. If this happens, I'll get a better 'Serious" rp down at the local DARK ARE PEE, so give me a warning, I don't give a fuck, this is stupid.
10% Warning Issued: Flaming, Ranting and Disrespect.
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Raged, how do you figure the CCA would become dumbed-down?
Even so, I would rank player enjoyability above adhering to what we think canon is.
Renegade, I don't think SatN meant adhering to the comedy factor of Combine Nation. Although, it was a pretty terrible idea to put "Combine Nation" explicitly in the voting options when he was trying to ask the people if they wanted a more humane CCA rank structure. The suggestion I posted which got SatN's approval if this passes deals with much more than just renaming ranks, if you've read it. I'm aiming to mend a lot of issues within the CCA.
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This and the new Low Def map, I think we have the newest form of DARK RP. I (and I'm sure others) Will leave HL2RP because it will turn to UTTER SHIT. Wanna know why? When you assholes bash my skull open with "DER, RENEGADE, UR SHIT USINT CANON!" Then you pull THIS? How hypocritical can you get?
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This is on the verge of Dark DM, and if you actually put this into action, I will declare CG's HL2RP to be the BIGGEST PILE OF SHIT EVER.
oh no
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I'm very against this. Honestly, this wouldn't solve anything other then to ruin the canon set in place by HL2. I don't know why so many people support this utterly silly idea, and I'm not looking to change ZEALOT to something that it was never intended for. I don't know why people who aren't in certain groups decide they can make decisions for that group.
I really don't know if I'll stay in the CCA if this goes through, and I'm an 01. It's not the power, it's how stupid this idea is. Honestly, I've never seen something so uncanon as this. The CCA is meant to be set apart, yes, we're human. But that's up to the RPer, not the script or titles.
Also, as an 01, I don't beat any Unit who shows emotions, that's just an ass pulled assumption. If you saw the RP I have as a Unit going around with other units then you would understand that I in no way act like a super robot. If your CCA guys are acting like robots, then changing their title won't fix anything.
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Very reluctant about this. CCA may be a human faction but it's directly over seen and managed by the Combine to ensure sociostability. And personally - I like the digits system. A whole lot. Not to mention once Lulrebels can know CCA Unit's true identities? Do you know how many rebel groups there are that would LOVE for this change to go through? Suddenly all ZEALOT units are exposed with their true names. Good luck spying on things in D6.
I mean - Don't get me wrong, change is good. And I believe just changing how training is handled would be a huge benefit to the CCA in the style that Burning Bullet mentioned - but this whole business of making Units structured into a literal police force instead of a paramilitary sociostability organization doesn't seem right to me.
And Renegade? Please don't flame / throw huge pissy fits in an intelligent discussion.
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Most people here seem reluctant to change because they're afraid to start from the bottom again. To be honest, who cares? Just because a new system is introduced, that doesn't mean we automatically go to DARKRP WHOA DARK RP HERE.
@Raged: I can see where you are coming from, but really, it's a big comparison to say "We might as well say the Civil Protection are policemen instead of a military force." because, in fact, they are aren't they? The basis of the HL2 canon was basically that CP's were the patrolling officers of the cities, and Overwatch were the military of the combine, keeping harm at bay. But I do understand 100% where you are coming from.
@Lance: Was there really a canon set in place that fixates the combine? Or was it just, CP's: Protect civillians from non-union counterparts. OTA: Destroy all rebel figures who stand in way. And the rest was really just interpreted by fans. Altering the canon doesn't mean a step into DarkRP, it just means altering the canon to a new CG HL2 Canon.
@Renegade: Your argument was just a pointless flame.
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Play through the first few levels of Half-Life 2 and tell me if you see friendly constable police officers who are humanely oppressing the rest of humanity.
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If these change happens, then I am very glad I left before it did. The Civil Protection you see in Half Life 2 are cold, disciplined and very military-like. CPs are the military of the City, Overwatch are for outside of the Combines control, the elite within the elite. Changing the names ans ranks of the CCA to Constable, etc looks completely and utterly out of the Half life 2 universe, not to mention stupid.
Edit: Also, this CCA is no-where near TnBs. You, SatN, were the one to change the division names to TnBs, you are also the one following off TnB while we were doing fine before your "Reform". If you really want it to be not-so-TnB like, then why did you make such changes in the first place.
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Combine Nation is a comedy series by Lit Fuse that failed due to hard drive failure.
And we're basing our entire structure on it.
... Seriously?
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I am voting for the current state of the CCA structure. I fully agree with Sheo, raged and KillmePlz. The current rank system is fine. It is working. Don't fix what's not broken yet. Changing the rank names will NOT push the actual players to roleplay more like humans. My opinion is that it should be as it's now - keep the way how to RP units up to their owners. It is fully their decision. If you begin enforcing it, they will leave. I don't know if you care about it or no, but if these changes come in effect, you will not see me on CG HL2RP anymore.
Catalyst Gaming HL2RP is the best community I have ever played at, but that does not mean people will stay here if you give them reason to leave.
Edit. Also you should count only votes posted in this thread, not just some fucking lolvoters who may have not even played HL2RP once, or who have no unit.
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I could understand a system like this being in place at the very beginning of the CCA's creation, and bit by bit the humanity of it being stripped away to be replaced by digits.
But this is just going backwards.
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I don't want this happening for the reasons sheo, kmp and raged gave(doesn't mean it won't but I think this is a really really stupid idea, try to convince me otherwise)
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To those who said "no this isnt in canon" you are dumb. The ranking syatem put in place now along with MANY other systems is not in canon. It was never established in the official HL2 canon. In fact, it was created by a rp group. The names shield, vice, zealot, are all made up by unofficial means. This means we can change them without damaging the canonical flow. Your QQing is invalid. Find another reason or go cry elsewhere.
Its about time the CCA got a bit more interesting to rp other then "move along" "keep moving" "### status on plaza".
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Okay, if we're going to play this game, The Pact, JURY, SIERRA, The Clinic, Third Eye, Civil Workers Union, Civiwatch etc should be removed because they "are all made up by unofficial means". If you don't like the way the CCA is, why do you even bother playing a half life 2 based roleplay? Actually, I'm surprised you're even caring about this, Statua, seeing as you've been pro-outlands for as long as I can remember.
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To those who said "no this isnt in canon" you are dumb. The ranking syatem put in place now along with MANY other systems is not in canon. It was never established in the official HL2 canon. In fact, it was created by a rp group. The names shield, vice, zealot, are all made up by unofficial means. This means we can change them without damaging the canonical flow. Your QQing is invalid. Find another reason or go cry elsewhere.
Its about time the CCA got a bit more interesting to rp other then "move along" "keep moving" "### status on plaza".
The digits and ranks of our units have LITERALLY NOTHING to do with how they roleplay, and it's just infuriating that you would insinuate that it does.
This is literally your WHOLE ARGUMENT:
I'm referred to as C45.CCA.SHIELD-01.###, Welp, I have no choice but to be a cold sadistic asshole to everyone.
How, the hell, is that considered a logical statement? CCA Units can roleplay being human beings just fine thank you. My 05 talks to any citizen that approaches him and doesn't really care - there's no rule against talking with citizens. If they say they're new, he'll even offer to give them a small tour of District 1. On top of that, he always apologizes to the people he's re-educating, or detaining. Even if it's only a simple "Sorry 'bout this, mate."
Point in case: Currently, there's no rule that ANY kind of unit has to roleplay as an emotionless robot - It's only stated that they get better at preforming their duties and less hesitant about it. I could have an 01 that was extremely friendly, charming, and nice to citizens as long as he wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger, or order a unit to pull the trigger when neccessary. That doesn't mean he has to be remorseless about it. When he's alone on break or any other time he's alone to reflect on his actions it might be quite painful for him.
TL;DR, Your rank names and digits aren't making your character an asshole. You are.
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Also, what someone up there said.
If you base your decision to change the CCA based on those votes then this is even dumber than I thought. You do realize that most of those who voted yes are either rebels or non CCA. It's doubtful that even five percent of those people are actual units.
People need to stop assuming that just because we have a number system that would be implemented by the combine to make us look more threatening or more robotic that we all RP robots. I'm nothing like that and like I've stated before: changing the titles won't do anything other than race anyone who joins for a good HL2RP away with silly looking CPs.
Imagine leaving any other HL2RP and then joining this one with the new "reform". They would think we're idiots and leave- because this is an idiotic idea.
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Combine Nation is just some comical shit.. Implementing this will make us look as we are trying to have a comical CCA departments.. A turndown for new players imo.
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See? I told ya that people would think this reform is a load of shit when it's named after a comedy show. The reform actually has about 1 percent in common with Combine Nation, that being the rank names.
Despite my original position, I vote to move this poll into the Civil Protection Private Forums, where only CCA units can access and vote on it.
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I'm still rather positive regarding this, but Sheo makes a great point as others stated. You could be an 01, and a charmer... I mean... my Divisional-Leader is a pretty nice guy. Then again, he isn't brainwashed.
On-the-fence, however, I am still going to refrain my vote as of now and simply keep up with the discussion. Try to add in here and there, but to summarize how I feel. I don't know; this can work and I would be fine with it happening, but it has a bit of a soft... vibe. See, I may, roleplay, a caring and soft character myself. But that's my character. No-no, I feel the Civil-Authority should be more paramilitaristic, because it is. When you think about what units have, compared to modern day officers, it's an entire-grade up. You have SMG's, sidearms, ballistic-vests and high-grade riot gear, zipties (something SWAT uses, and Special-Forces.) I'd see them as a combination of SWAT and a sort of PMC. Because in a way; they are.
By this happening... you've basically put a bucket on our heads with the label 'Lieutenant Tibbles.' It just gives a bit more of a gateway to stupidity. Then again... look at some of our own units. I'm not trying to be harsh or anything. I'm good either-way. I'll adapt if it happens to change, and I may not like it the most...
But majority votes. Oh well.
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After reading through the opposition's reasoning, I recant my suggested rank structure and detach myself from a "Combine Nation Reform." SatN shot the idea in the foot when he called it "Combine Nation," because what he intended to be a more human system is now being conceived as an idiotic gaggle of units roaming about with buckets on their heads. If I could physically do it, I'd change my answer to no. The execution of this poll should've been delayed until there was actually a clear picture of what the reform should've been.
I've taken my non-rank related suggestions over to a new thread for some public opinion.
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I simply can't support this for the reasons KmP, raged, and Sheo posted. HL2RP isn't about your name or unit designation, its about your roleplay as a person behind the computer screen. BB, I respect you highly, but if this change has mostly to do with changing the unit names, then why even bother? We just did that in fact. If changing the names is the biggest change this will bring about, then why don't we just change the division names again?
I also don't like the fact that the specialization divisions will be sitting in the Nexus typing on a console all day. This sort of change would involve everyone but JURY to sit in the Nexus unless a drink machine desperately needed fixing, where VICE could finally get some action, or if someone gets in a firefight and gets shot (Which happens once every 6 months on average) and SHIELD could get some action. That's like taking away from the RP and RP potential of those in the specialization division. Also, making recruitment more selective? That sounds good, but its hard enough to get units in SHIELD as it is. The last thing I'd support right now is making it even harder to get units in our division. We haven't had a unit join SHIELD since it was NOVA, and even still, awhile back. I think our lowest ranking member is an 02, because everyone else was wiped in the reform, or demoted to recruit and is now stuck in JURY, where they'll likely stay.
I also don't support making the CCA into something more human. We're human, and everyone understands that. We're not a police force like you see in your neighborhood though. We're a paramilitary organization that maintains order. Switching to this new organization that acts more human, would basically be turning HL2RP into OCRP, where the police officers are your friendly neighborhood Spiderman watching your back and doing favors for you. That's nothing like HL2 and is nowhere near correct according to canon. The digits mask our identity, and give a feel that you now belong to the Combine/Universal Union. Switching to this new system would make it seem like we have no connection the Universal Union, and are just a bunch of humans who put on uniforms for the lulz, and are trying to enforce our own laws that we made up.
As raged already said, we're not copying TnB, we're copying HL2, and so are they. I personally like the digits system and having the divisions the way they are now. Some of you say, "Oh its just a game, whats the worst that could happen." Yes, that's true, it is a game. For some of us, many of us even, its game that's a part of our lifestyle. Sure we all have lives (I hope), but some of us get really involved in HL2RP and take things seriously, hence this discussion. Truly devoted players don't want to take a chance and ruin what they enjoy or change it at all.
As I've already mentioned above, you can implement any system you want. You can make the CCA act like straight up citizens with guns if you want. You could even beef it up to be a true military, not police or paramilitary, but full on military government. The same things are going to happen. People are going to screw around because they want to. Because most people in this community are between the ages of 11-15, many of them don't have the maturity level to know and understand that they don't need to CS:S surf on the glass windows of the break room in the Nexus. Changing the CCA structure won't fix this. Nothing will fix this actually, unless you only allow people in the organization that you know on a personal level and understand that they're mature enough to handle being in the organization.
So I go back to my earlier statement, if the only thing we're really changing are the names and roles of the divisions and units, then why even bother going through this change at all? We just did a reform and changed the names of each division. Instead of trying to do ANOTHER change, which will piss many people off, why don't we try to get the change we just made situated and make IT work?
On a side note, why does everyone want to stand out so bad all the time? Sure, standing out sometimes is good, but when the most commonly followed method is actually the best, why stray from that method just to stand out and be different? What's it worth being different if the method you use is shitty and doesn't work and doesn't make the members happy?
I apologize for any grammatical errors. I typed this quickly, and didn't proof read it before posting.
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Nick, please for the love of god change the way your DvL acts. In all my years of working with the MPF/CCA on community's, you are the second I have met to have a DvL that acts like a 5 year old. You do not go around petting vortiguants or doing cocaine. I have quite frankly seen enough of the shit. People literally now ICly discuss about you and the cocaine shot. DvLs are highly augmented and transformed to the point were they have no opinions on anything nor do they have feelings... They just do it. I really suggest you do not go around and do the stupid shit.
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were they have no opinions on anything nor do they have feelings... They just do it. I really suggest you do not go around and do the stupid shit.
I agree I shriveled in disgust when he called another unit "bro", but ALL UNITS, ESPECIALLY DvL's would have their ability to think intact. How the hell do you lead a whole division without having an opinion on anything?
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I simply can't support this for the reasons KmP, raged, and Sheo posted. HL2RP isn't about your name or unit designation, its about your roleplay as a person behind the computer screen. BB, I respect you highly, but if this change has mostly to do with changing the unit names, then why even bother? We just did that in fact. If changing the names is the biggest change this will bring about, then why don't we just change the division names again?
I also don't like the fact that the specialization divisions will be sitting in the Nexus typing on a console all day. This sort of change would involve everyone but JURY to sit in the Nexus unless a drink machine desperately needed fixing, where VICE could finally get some action, or if someone gets in a firefight and gets shot (Which happens once every 6 months on average) and SHIELD could get some action. That's like taking away from the RP and RP potential of those in the specialization division. Also, making recruitment more selective? That sounds good, but its hard enough to get units in SHIELD as it is. The last thing I'd support right now is making it even harder to get units in our division. We haven't had a unit join SHIELD since it was NOVA, and even still, awhile back. I think our lowest ranking member is an 02, because everyone else was wiped in the reform, or demoted to recruit and is now stuck in JURY, where they'll likely stay.
I also don't support making the CCA into something more human. We're human, and everyone understands that. We're not a police force like you see in your neighborhood though. We're a paramilitary organization that maintains order. Switching to this new organization that acts more human, would basically be turning HL2RP into OCRP, where the police officers are your friendly neighborhood Spiderman watching your back and doing favors for you. That's nothing like HL2 and is nowhere near correct according to canon. The digits mask our identity, and give a feel that you now belong to the Combine/Universal Union. Switching to this new system would make it seem like we have no connection the Universal Union, and are just a bunch of humans who put on uniforms for the lulz, and are trying to enforce our own laws that we made up.
As raged already said, we're not copying TnB, we're copying HL2, and so are they. I personally like the digits system and having the divisions the way they are now. Some of you say, "Oh its just a game, whats the worst that could happen." Yes, that's true, it is a game. For some of us, many of us even, its game that's a part of our lifestyle. Sure we all have lives (I hope), but some of us get really involved in HL2RP and take things seriously, hence this discussion. Truly devoted players don't want to take a chance and ruin what they enjoy or change it at all.
As I've already mentioned above, you can implement any system you want. You can make the CCA act like straight up citizens with guns if you want. You could even beef it up to be a true military, not police or paramilitary, but full on military government. The same things are going to happen. People are going to screw around because they want to. Because most people in this community are between the ages of 11-15, many of them don't have the maturity level to know and understand that they don't need to CS:S surf on the glass windows of the break room in the Nexus. Changing the CCA structure won't fix this. Nothing will fix this actually, unless you only allow people in the organization that you know on a personal level and understand that they're mature enough to handle being in the organization.
So I go back to my earlier statement, if the only thing we're really changing are the names and roles of the divisions and units, then why even bother going through this change at all? We just did a reform and changed the names of each division. Instead of trying to do ANOTHER change, which will piss many people off, why don't we try to get the change we just made situated and make IT work?
On a side note, why does everyone want to stand out so bad all the time? Sure, standing out sometimes is good, but when the most commonly followed method is actually the best, why stray from that method just to stand out and be different? What's it worth being different if the method you use is shitty and doesn't work and doesn't make the members happy?
I apologize for any grammatical errors. I typed this quickly, and didn't proof read it before posting.
Love the post man, very detailed. I have to say as I said earlier "People will always complain on every community."
Someone says something and others contribute, when in reality it is fine.
Also Sheo, transhuman figures never have an opinion on anything. They go with what is best for the division and do not discuss it.
Ex: JURY-03.000: Sir! There is a bomb in the UCH!
VICE-DvL.738: Unit, relocate to a defined distance at this time.
VICE-DvL.738 radios in: VICE units, relocate to UCH frontal entry point.
The reason why we do not have feelings or opinions is because if we did, then controlling a situation ICly would be a mess. As you see, the 03 is a bit frightend by the bombs presence, as a OfC plus, it would be our job to act without opinion to solve the situation.
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Opinion:Noun:Def: A view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter..
Just because he's emotionless and calculating about it doesn't mean his decision isn't based off of an opinion - it is. But it's an opinion that's detached from empathy and is just based on cold hard numbers. Meaning his opinion is that if he can sacrifice 1 civilian here, to save 5 units there, he'd do it without hesitation.
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Opinion:Noun:Def: A view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter..
Just because he's emotionless and calculating about it doesn't mean his decision isn't based off of an opinion - it is. But it's an opinion that's detached from empathy and is just based on cold hard numbers. Meaning his opinion is that if he can sacrifice 1 civilian here, to save 5 units there, he'd do it without hesitation.
You apparently do not understand what I mean by this or my word choice is not getting to you. The opinion I mean is not having one on a direct cause, meaning ICly OUR units know what to
do in any situation as they are trained for it. There is not need to have opinions when ICly we know what to do. I do not mean opinions as to feelings or whatnot.
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Way to stray from the topic.
But yeah, basically what Airborn said.
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Way to stray from the topic.
But yeah, basically what Airborn said.
Sorry to get off topic there. I just wanted to clear some things up with some of our Divisional Leadership which lead to the discussion of the actions a DvL should do.
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Shit hit the fan.
I think the names replacing the numbers halps make the CCA more interesting. I dunno. I find Sergeant to be more interesting then 01 to read. Also, there IS a tread that tells you that as an 01 you should be all srs n shit. Im tired of being serious. If I want 261 to be more of an oddball, why cant I?
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Nick, please for the love of god change the way your DvL acts. In all my years of working with the MPF/CCA on community's, you are the second I have met to have a DvL that acts like a 5 year old. You do not go around petting vortiguants or doing cocaine. I have quite frankly seen enough of the shit. People literally now ICly discuss about you and the cocaine shot. DvLs are highly augmented and transformed to the point were they have no opinions on anything nor do they have feelings... They just do it. I really suggest you do not go around and do the stupid shit.
Now you're playing with fire, Purple. Take a step back, and leave my unit out of it publically. If you want to criticise, my Steam's always there. He didn't do a cocaine shot, that's extremely retarded. No... that situation is completely misunderstood. Alright, I called a guy 'bro'... sue me? Sue. Me. I've about had enough dealing with everyone, and he's not some fluffy Vortigaunt petter. He gave it a pat on the back. And he's not brainwashed.
Really... just don't go there. Please. I've done nothing wrong to warrant.
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Shit hit the fan.
I think the names replacing the numbers halps make the CCA more interesting. I dunno. I find Sergeant to be more interesting then 01 to read. Also, there IS a tread that tells you that as an 01 you should be all srs n shit. Im tired of being serious. If I want 261 to be more of an oddball, why cant I?
So you're supporting this because "Sergeant is more interesting to read than 01".
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Out of all the silly reasons onto why this should be supported, yours takes the cake.
(Also, you wouldn't even be reading Sergeant, I'd prob be Sgt.)
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I RPed my character as borderline inane and look where I got? I reached Commander. As long as you do your role well, you can RP any kind of character you wish.
Actually, why don't we go more indepth of what I have done and still come out fine, Purple.
-I've learned the names of 3 conscripts and struck up a conversation with them, even a friendship.
-I've donated around about 10k of tokens to the CWU, as well as 30+ ration shipments.
-In my entire time at CG, I have only killed 5 Units. I mostly just warned them.
-I helped nurse a Citizen I beat back to health.
-I made friendships between multiple Units, and most of them ended up either leading a division, reaching Commander or getting into High Command.
-I cried in-front of a handful of Citizens. Yes, cried.
-I would sit down in detainment and strike up conversations between detainee's.
As you can see, a Commander of our such esteemed "Trans-human leadership" was nice behind his normal exterior. So, Nick, if you wish to play as a nice DvL, some of the greatest DvLs I've known have done the same and lead their division to being one of the best I have ever seen.
Anyways, back on topic from this point forward.
The Universal Union is being run by mindless aliens that would most likely use digits and numbers to run their forces on Earth. It would be much easier to just have digits to sort out the current Units they have, instead of a massive list of "Sergeant blah"
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You rose me up, boyo'... Time to 'Fuck you, I do what I want' to everyone who opposes this. Thanks. Cough... am I a good Divisional? *Battered Eyes.*
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Not going to let this happen on second thought. The stuff we'd have to change in the script is way too much and no one is really going to be willing to do it for a change that won't affect roleplay whatsoever anyway.
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Dude, you're a dumb fuck. Please go kill your self.
I need to be nicer.
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Not going to let this happen on second thought. The stuff we'd have to change in the script is way too much and no one is really going to be willing to do it for a change that won't affect roleplay whatsoever anyway.
The code that would have to be changed for all of this to work would take only an hour at the most. Nothing new would really be added, just a change in the existing lines of codes.
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he said no
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Not going to let this happen on second thought. The stuff we'd have to change in the script is way too much and no one is really going to be willing to do it for a change that won't affect roleplay whatsoever anyway.
The code that would have to be changed for all of this to work would take only an hour at the most. Nothing new would really be added, just a change in the existing lines of codes.
Which the developers will not do.
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Im sorry, but changing the names of every rank isn't going to make the CCA more active and work harder. It'll just give us a new name that we do or in my case don't like.
It's starting to sound like a little police force of a town in southern America, not a branch of the force that took over the earth in seven hours and enforce sociability through fear yet staying anonymous, they don't do it (most of the time) for the good of the population.
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Stop reading half posts guys. Seriously. I also said i think the threat that tells you how to act should be changed. Just cause 261 is an 01 doesnt mean i have to rp him as a mindless robot. But thats what the thread says...
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Im sorry, but changing the names of every rank isn't going to make the CCA more active and work harder. It'll just give us a new name that we do or in my case don't like.
It's starting to sound like a little police force of a town in southern America, not a branch of the force that took over the earth in seven hours and enforce sociability through fear yet staying anonymous, they don't do it (most of the time) for the good of the population.
Not to get off topic, but the CCA did not take over the planet. That was some other part of the Universal Union. Anyways I'm starting to think that if we did end up changing the names, people would start role-playing the comically with their partners, doing stuff like good cop, bon cop.
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Im sorry, but changing the names of every rank isn't going to make the CCA more active and work harder. It'll just give us a new name that we do or in my case don't like.
It's starting to sound like a little police force of a town in southern America, not a branch of the force that took over the earth in seven hours and enforce sociability through fear yet staying anonymous, they don't do it (most of the time) for the good of the population.
Not to get off topic, but the CCA did not take over the planet. That was some other part of the Universal Union. I'm starting to think that if we did end up changing the names, people would start role-playing the comically with their partners, doing stuff like good cop, bon cop.
Bon cop. I'm always the Bon Cop.
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Stop reading half posts guys. Seriously. I also said i think the threat that tells you how to act should be changed. Just cause 261 is an 01 doesnt mean i have to rp him as a mindless robot. But thats what the thread says...
There's a simple answer for this: Fuck the thread.
Every roleplayer has a right to roleplay his or her character the way they'd like to. No thread is going to tell ME how my unit should act, because the thread was not written about Unit 999, nor will it ever BE about 999.
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Stop reading half posts guys. Seriously. I also said i think the threat that tells you how to act should be changed. Just cause 261 is an 01 doesnt mean i have to rp him as a mindless robot. But thats what the thread says...
There's a simple answer for this: Fuck the thread.
Every roleplayer has a right to roleplay his or her character the way they'd like to. No thread is going to tell ME how my unit should act, because the thread was not written about Unit 999, nor will it ever BE about 999.
Please, tell me what rank is 999? 05 Correct? An 05 is just an experienced recruit with a gun. That's all they are. Roleplaying is acting how you would act with a character in a different universe. If you're an 05 and you're cutting off peoples dicks and just breaking peoples legs off, you've got mental health issues, and would suffer from PTSD, or Post-trauma stress disorder. You need to stop acting like you're a fucking badass when you're an 05. Please, if I EVER see you completely destroying someones character as an 05 I will not hesitate to give you some 'advice' in the form of be possibly throwing you into a wall. Don't you EVER talk to Statua that way again.
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Stop reading half posts guys. Seriously. I also said i think the threat that tells you how to act should be changed. Just cause 261 is an 01 doesnt mean i have to rp him as a mindless robot. But thats what the thread says...
There's a simple answer for this: Fuck the thread.
Every roleplayer has a right to roleplay his or her character the way they'd like to. No thread is going to tell ME how my unit should act, because the thread was not written about Unit 999, nor will it ever BE about 999.
Please, tell me what rank is 999? 05 Correct? An 05 is just an experienced recruit with a gun. That's all they are. Roleplaying is acting how you would act with a character in a different universe. If you're an 05 and you're cutting off peoples dicks and just breaking peoples legs off, you've got mental health issues, and would suffer from PTSD, or Post-trauma stress disorder. You need to stop acting like you're a fucking badass when you're an 05. Please, if I EVER see you completely destroying someones character as an 05 I will not hesitate to give you some 'advice' in the form of be possibly throwing you into a wall. Don't you EVER talk to Statua that way again.
That non-communicable disease does match a unit who does a variety of things that a unit wouldn't do such as torturing, acting all tough and buff and other things aswell. Units that perform these acts even though their ranking is very low would have a form of mental health issues, don't you think? I believe so. Also, I sense some flaming coming on in this thread.
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If you'd actually read my posts in this VERY SAME THREAD You'd see that 999 is a normal person, and also if you would read the same post you're actually responding to you'd realize I wasn't attacking Statua, I was telling him to disregard that idiotic thread to roleplay his character however he wanted to roleplay it as. So don't lecture me about how 999 should act when you've never even seen me roleplaying him on the server. He's even fucking talked other units into into giving someone a level 2 sentence instead of a level 1. Every time you assume something about my character you're literally being an ass, as you clearly know nothing about him.
Don't get all E-thug on me, it's tasteless and just makes me disappointed in the state of your mind and personality.
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internet wars: the ego strikes back
can you guys calm down please
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I'm just going to go ahead and lock this thread until SatN wants to do something with it considering the fact that RoflWaffle has already made his thoughts public.