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General => Support & Help => Topic started by: Klashy on March 20, 2012, 07:39:03 PM

Title: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Klashy on March 20, 2012, 07:39:03 PM

Hello Catalyst Gaming. I just wanted to ask if there is any condition or guideline that you could lean me on using the current HL2RP map for a server that I run myself. I will not disclose links, names, or any other information leading to my community for the respect I have for the staff here. The reason I want to use the map is simply because it's absolutely perfectly done. No other city map compares to it and it's the spice I need in my community. I'm a proud donator here at Catalyst Gaming, and I'd just like to know how to respectfully carry this out.

I'd much rather ask for permission than to go behind your backs and use it, so I just want to know, under WHAT conditions is this doable under. The credits will remain in place and a small cG tribute will be made to it in the event that it is edited. cG will never be taken out of the name of the map.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: alaskan thunderfuck on March 20, 2012, 07:53:32 PM

While we cannot physically stop you, we'd rather you not and won't be very happy if you do.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Klashy on March 20, 2012, 08:35:14 PM

Well Rofl, It's just so excellently done, the other maps are just so unorganized and I have OCD! :0

Surely there has to be some sort of agreement. I don't want you to harm my community and I don't want you guys to feel jipped.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: tics on March 20, 2012, 09:49:02 PM

No offense Rofl, but it isn't your map. It's Statua's map. He is the person who can authorize usage, not you. So, Klashy, I'd wait for Statua to respond.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: alaskan thunderfuck on March 20, 2012, 09:50:39 PM

Quote from: Polish Hermit on March 20, 2012, 09:49:02 PM

No offense Rofl, but it isn't your map. It's Statua's map. He is the person who can authorize usage, not you. So, Klashy, I'd wait for Statua to respond.

Pretty sure he's talking about the city.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: [CG] Rekyit Merlo on March 20, 2012, 09:57:55 PM

Quote from: oG] | [cG] Klashy on March 20, 2012, 07:39:03 PM

Hello Catalyst Gaming. I just wanted to ask if there is any condition or guideline that you could lean me on using the current HL2RP map for a server that I run myself. I will not disclose links, names, or any other information leading to my community for the respect I have for the staff here. The reason I want to use the map is simply because it's absolutely perfectly done. No other city map compares to it and it's the spice I need in my community. I'm a proud donator here at Catalyst Gaming, and I'd just like to know how to respectfully carry this out.

I'd much rather ask for permission than to go behind your backs and use it, so I just want to know, under WHAT conditions is this doable under. The credits will remain in place and a small cG tribute will be made to it in the event that it is edited. cG will never be taken out of the name of the map.

Its the city map.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Klashy on March 20, 2012, 10:07:41 PM

Yes, Use of the map.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Statua on March 20, 2012, 11:44:16 PM

The city map is branded by cg thus not intended to be used by other servers. In other words, no.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Klashy on March 21, 2012, 01:02:55 AM

I'm a douche bag.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Cux on March 23, 2012, 05:01:41 AM

I might be blind or so, but I remembered seeing multiple HL2RP communities using the Catalyst city map? How come?
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: swag master spiderman on March 23, 2012, 05:31:04 AM

If the city map is THAT good, then just play here then.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Nicknero on March 23, 2012, 05:58:04 AM

Quote from: Cux on March 23, 2012, 05:01:41 AM

I might be blind or so, but I remembered seeing multiple HL2RP communities using the Catalyst city map? How come?
Correct me if I'm wrong.

If you actually read what was posted: We can't stop people from using it, but we wouldn't like it if you did since the map is featured for CG.

Anyways, it's Kazuo/Frohman who made the map, so it should be his call.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Teitoku Ippan on March 23, 2012, 07:03:00 AM

Pretty sure Kaz released it to the public domain then disappeared completely.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Klashy on March 23, 2012, 11:46:09 PM

The maps is property of valve, not any single person.

I'm sorry guys:(

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Nicknero on March 24, 2012, 05:44:43 AM

Quote from: oG] | [cG] Klashy on March 23, 2012, 11:46:09 PM

The maps is property of valve, not any single person.

I'm sorry guys:(

Lol? So you say everything you make on your PC is property of Microsoft, because you made it on their PC? Lol...

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Jeff2307 on March 24, 2012, 08:12:49 AM

Quote from: Evilmaster?Moon on March 23, 2012, 05:31:04 AM

If the city map is THAT good, then just play here then.

Did you even read the thread? He wants to use it in his community not play on it! --'

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Klashy on March 24, 2012, 03:21:40 PM

No, But I'll bet my bottom dollar that you didn't read the terms of use for Microsoft, and you have no knowledge of the licenses that you provide to others through your computer with the simple actions you cause. Such as uploading, downloading, and using programs on their computers to make things. And don't try to blind side me by putting words in my mouth with your ridiculous hyperbole's. I'm not some inter-fag. I'm a college bound law major who actually reads what he agree's to.

Having said that, it's obvious no one else read the terms of use of the Valve Developer Community. It clearly states uploading a map created on source SDK or any valve program grant's a license to all public users to do the following: (1) make, use, copy, modify, create derivative works of such Posted Material, (2) publicly perform or display, import, broadcast, transmit, distribute, license, offer to sell, and sell, rent, lease or lend copies of the Posted Material (and derivative works thereof), and (3) sublicense to third parties the foregoing rights, including the right to sublicense to further third parties. Your license to other users is further subject to the terms of the users' valid license(s) to Valve games, including the Steam Subscriber Agreement.

To the Developers of the map:

With regard to Posted Material that You post, edit, or otherwise contribute to a Developer Site, You grant to Valve and to all users of the Developer Site a worldwide, nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty free, fully paid up license, in connection with the Source engine and Source SDK (and games, mods and other products based thereon), to: (1) make, use, copy, modify, create derivative works of such Posted Material, (2) publicly perform or display, import, broadcast, transmit, distribute, license, offer to sell, and sell, rent, lease or lend copies of the Posted Material (and derivative works thereof), and (3) sublicense to third parties the foregoing rights, including the right to sublicense to further third parties. Your license to other users is further subject to the terms of the users' valid license(s) to the Source engine and/or Source SDK (and games, mods and other products based thereon).

Source: The Valve Developer Community

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Developer_Community:Terms_of_Use

The information is all there. You decide to make something on a free program for a game that someone else made, which is in the case "Valve," and the second someone loads to your garry's mod server or website, they're granted a license for it's use, or else they'd be paying you personally to have access to your server, which is prohibited by Valve, which is why we disguise it as "Donating."

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Statua on March 25, 2012, 12:17:32 AM

Quote from: oG] | [cG] Klashy on March 24, 2012, 03:21:40 PM

No, But I'll bet my bottom dollar that you didn't read the terms of use for Microsoft, and you have no knowledge of the licenses that you provide to others through your computer with the simple actions you cause. Such as uploading, downloading, and using programs on their computers to make things. And don't try to blind side me by putting words in my mouth with your ridiculous hyperbole's. I'm not some inter-fag. I'm a college bound law major who actually reads what he agree's to.

Having said that, it's obvious no one else read the terms of use of the Valve Developer Community. It clearly states uploading a map created on source SDK or any valve program grant's a license to all public users to do the following: (1) make, use, copy, modify, create derivative works of such Posted Material, (2) publicly perform or display, import, broadcast, transmit, distribute, license, offer to sell, and sell, rent, lease or lend copies of the Posted Material (and derivative works thereof), and (3) sublicense to third parties the foregoing rights, including the right to sublicense to further third parties. Your license to other users is further subject to the terms of the users' valid license(s) to Valve games, including the Steam Subscriber Agreement.

To the Developers of the map:

With regard to Posted Material that You post, edit, or otherwise contribute to a Developer Site, You grant to Valve and to all users of the Developer Site a worldwide, nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty free, fully paid up license, in connection with the Source engine and Source SDK (and games, mods and other products based thereon), to: (1) make, use, copy, modify, create derivative works of such Posted Material, (2) publicly perform or display, import, broadcast, transmit, distribute, license, offer to sell, and sell, rent, lease or lend copies of the Posted Material (and derivative works thereof), and (3) sublicense to third parties the foregoing rights, including the right to sublicense to further third parties. Your license to other users is further subject to the terms of the users' valid license(s) to the Source engine and/or Source SDK (and games, mods and other products based thereon).

Source: The Valve Developer Community

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Developer_Community:Terms_of_Use

The information is all there. You decide to make something on a free program for a game that someone else made, which is in the case "Valve," and the second someone loads to your garry's mod server or website, they're granted a license for it's use, or else they'd be paying you personally to have access to your server, which is prohibited by Valve, which is why we disguise it as "Donating."

So, you're saying your life is run by laws only? No etiquitte or respect? That etiquitte being we would rather you not use the map? Thanks. We asked you not to use it and you went ahead and told us we cant do that. So what? Life isnt set by laws. People are civilized in this world and when someone asks you do do something, that doesn't mean go find a reason why they cant tell you not to do it...

Fine. Go use the fucking map. We obviously cant stop you but we would PREFER you didn't. Make the decision here.

P.S.

We can decompile maps and use their content all we want with no credit. The creators cannot charge us or anything. We dont do it cause we respect the creators. We ask the creators prior to decompiling cause its the right thing to do.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Klashy on March 25, 2012, 01:07:16 PM

Statua, I tried to have the respect for you, by asking me what you wanted me to keep in the map to symbolize cG or something. I'm leaving the credits to the mappers. But we're going to use the map. You should be proud.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Khub on March 25, 2012, 02:56:58 PM

Quote from: oG] | [cG] Klashy on March 25, 2012, 01:07:16 PM

Statua, I tried to have the respect for you, by asking me what you wanted me to keep in the map to symbolize cG or something. I'm leaving the credits to the mappers. But we're going to use the map. You should be proud.

Why were you asking for authorization, if you still were about to use the map, not depending on RoflWaffle or someone other's decision?

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Klashy on March 25, 2012, 03:10:56 PM

Quote from: Khubajsn on March 25, 2012, 02:56:58 PM

Quote from: oG] | [cG] Klashy on March 25, 2012, 01:07:16 PM

Statua, I tried to have the respect for you, by asking me what you wanted me to keep in the map to symbolize cG or something. I'm leaving the credits to the mappers. But we're going to use the map. You should be proud.

Why were you asking for authorization, if you still were about to use the map, not depending on RoflWaffle or someone other's decision?

You've caught an argument fallacy, good work. At first I was asking permission until I realized that I didn't need it, you guys all ready gave me a license to redistribute, use, and do whatever I wanted with it the second that I connected to your server and downloaded the map, credentials are stated above in a previous post in this thread. However, I am trying to be respectful and ask you what guidelines you'd like me to follow using the map, If the credits need to stay, so on and so forth, because this map will be edited soon enough anyways to run on less rare textures.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Semiorph on March 25, 2012, 03:41:03 PM

  You changed rather quickly from respecting their feelings on the usage of the map to the exact opposite and applying irrelevant legal terms to your argument. Rofl already stated that they would prefer you not to use the map even though they can not stop you. Stop bringing the terms of use into the argument as it is a matter of respect for the people who made the map, not a matter of "Well, the terms of use say I can so up yours."
  As Statua said, it's up to you weither to use the map or not, but it isn't about it being legal or not to do so. It's about weither or not you respect the creators enough to oblige their request to not use the map. They don't want credit, what they want is for you not to use the map. Obviously, even though you say you respect them, you don't or you would understand and not blow them off and do whatever the hell you want.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Statua on March 25, 2012, 04:29:28 PM

We would prefer you not use the map but if you're going to go and use it anyway, at least have SOME heart and provide a clear sign of credit. As in, dont change the map name and upon putting it on the server, include credit. Still not OK with you using it but its your decision.

/thread

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Klashy on March 25, 2012, 05:02:43 PM

The credits will remain clear, the map name shall not change.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: swag master spiderman on March 26, 2012, 04:17:13 PM

Quote from: Jeff :D on March 24, 2012, 08:12:49 AM

Quote from: Evilmaster?Moon on March 23, 2012, 05:31:04 AM

If the city map is THAT good, then just play here then.

Did you even read the thread? He wants to use it in his community not play on it! --'

No, I believe I slammed my head onto the keyboard and posted that response. I was trying to say simply that if the city map is as good as he says, just play here with some guys from the community instead of taking the map against the creators wishes. But it looks like they have worked out some sort of agreement anyways.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Statua on March 26, 2012, 04:32:52 PM

Quote from: Evilmaster?Moon on March 26, 2012, 04:17:13 PM

Quote from: Jeff :D on March 24, 2012, 08:12:49 AM

Quote from: Evilmaster?Moon on March 23, 2012, 05:31:04 AM

If the city map is THAT good, then just play here then.

Did you even read the thread? He wants to use it in his community not play on it! --'

No, I believe I slammed my head onto the keyboard and posted that response. I was trying to say simply that if the city map is as good as he says, just play here with some guys from the community instead of taking the map against the creators wishes. But it looks like they have worked out some sort of agreement anyways.

It hasnt been agreed on however we cant stop him so I was giving him some pointers on how not to get us to kick his ass if he does use it. (no, not i'm an idiot for assuming things, thats for ittle skiddies)

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Super Supreme Admiral Justin on March 26, 2012, 05:09:35 PM

Bomb incoming

(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4199/screenshot378.png)

Now stop bickering.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Nicknero on March 26, 2012, 06:11:51 PM

Quote from: Justin Newton AKA Jay on March 26, 2012, 05:09:35 PM

Bomb incoming

(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4199/screenshot378.png)

Now stop bickering.

I'm pretty sure he lost his say about the map when he decided to release it on the internet.

Seriously. Everyone can use the map. It's for grabs everywhere and we really can't do anything to stop you from using it.
Besides, we use Evocity for OCRP which like millions of other servers use as well. What's the big fucking deal? <.<

It's just a map! Stop trying to act like this guy is trying to use your girlfriend to get laid... Holy hell.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Klashy on March 26, 2012, 08:42:09 PM

I appreciate it! Thanks! :D

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Super Supreme Admiral Justin on March 26, 2012, 09:38:52 PM

Quote from: Nicknero1405 on March 26, 2012, 06:11:51 PM

Quote from: Justin Newton AKA Jay on March 26, 2012, 05:09:35 PM

Bomb incoming

(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4199/screenshot378.png)

Now stop bickering.

I'm pretty sure he lost his say about the map when he decided to release it on the internet.

Seriously. Everyone can use the map. It's for grabs everywhere and we really can't do anything to stop you from using it.
Besides, we use Evocity for OCRP which like millions of other servers use as well. What's the big fucking deal? <.<

It's just a map! Stop trying to act like this guy is trying to use your girlfriend to get laid... Holy hell.

Thanks nick

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Rory on March 26, 2012, 11:57:36 PM

Quote from: Nicknero1405 on March 26, 2012, 06:11:51 PM

Quote from: Justin Newton AKA Jay on March 26, 2012, 05:09:35 PM

Bomb incoming

(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4199/screenshot378.png)

Now stop bickering.

I'm pretty sure he lost his say about the map when he decided to release it on the internet.

Seriously. Everyone can use the map. It's for grabs everywhere and we really can't do anything to stop you from using it.
Besides, we use Evocity for OCRP which like millions of other servers use as well. What's the big fucking deal? <.<

It's just a map! Stop trying to act like this guy is trying to use your girlfriend to get laid... Holy hell.

It's supposed to make our servers look "More superior" because of the exclusives we have. Everyone thinks this once and a while Nick, they'll get over it soon or later.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Super Supreme Admiral Justin on March 27, 2012, 06:31:12 PM

Quote from: Ä?pple βeads on March 26, 2012, 11:57:36 PM

Quote from: Nicknero1405 on March 26, 2012, 06:11:51 PM

Quote from: Justin Newton AKA Jay on March 26, 2012, 05:09:35 PM

Bomb incoming

(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4199/screenshot378.png)

Now stop bickering.

I'm pretty sure he lost his say about the map when he decided to release it on the internet.

Seriously. Everyone can use the map. It's for grabs everywhere and we really can't do anything to stop you from using it.
Besides, we use Evocity for OCRP which like millions of other servers use as well. What's the big fucking deal? <.<

It's just a map! Stop trying to act like this guy is trying to use your girlfriend to get laid... Holy hell.

It's supposed to make our servers look "More superior" because of the exclusives we have. Everyone thinks this once and a while Nick, they'll get over it soon or later.

Good players, not exclusive maps make up a good community.

Title: Re: Authorization to use the HL2RP Map?
Post by: Klashy on March 27, 2012, 07:19:26 PM

Quote from: Justin Newton AKA Jay on March 27, 2012, 06:31:12 PM

Quote from: Ä?pple βeads on March 26, 2012, 11:57:36 PM

Quote from: Nicknero1405 on March 26, 2012, 06:11:51 PM

Quote from: Justin Newton AKA Jay on March 26, 2012, 05:09:35 PM

Bomb incoming

(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4199/screenshot378.png)

Now stop bickering.

I'm pretty sure he lost his say about the map when he decided to release it on the internet.

Seriously. Everyone can use the map. It's for grabs everywhere and we really can't do anything to stop you from using it.
Besides, we use Evocity for OCRP which like millions of other servers use as well. What's the big fucking deal? <.<

It's just a map! Stop trying to act like this guy is trying to use your girlfriend to get laid... Holy hell.

It's supposed to make our servers look "More superior" because of the exclusives we have. Everyone thinks this once and a while Nick, they'll get over it soon or later.

Good players, not exclusive maps make up a good community.

I could not agree with you more.