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Half-Life 2 Roleplay => Topic started by: igor on February 29, 2012, 08:56:14 PM
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I recently had a talk with Rofl about a map change. I understand that this is on some people's mind, and this post is meant to clear things up a bit. Rofl said it was unlikely, but possible, and when I asked him if he had to change it within the next 48 hours he replied with "City 18". When I asked him about city8 and city11 he said that both were too small.
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What the hell is up with you people, C45 seems amazing to me. Sure C18 is plain and simple, but it's overused and boring.
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City8. Enough said. It's the perfect map.
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City8. Enough said. It's the perfect map.
No it isn't, it's horrible. The map is very small, there's some decals that are pretty, overall City8 is CCA based not citizen, and that's what you need.
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What the hell is up with you people, C45 seems amazing to me. Sure C18 is plain and simple, but it's overused and boring.
Agreed. I love City45 because no other server uses it. D6 is perfect for lolwebels, and D2 is perfect for the CWU. The Nexus is also perfect because it is large and does it's purpose well.
I hate City18, it is to dark and just flat out annoying.
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It's safe to say that we will not have a map change anytime soon. Reason being is that when we do, people always complain about something. The map we have now took us some time to make and it will not be wasted because some players want to change maps weekly.
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If we HAVE to change, which I see us doing no time soon, I would vote for City 8, it is big enough, (Weve tried before, smaller sizes encourage more roleplay) It has a decent nexus, and it also has a nice little highway system, so if we ever decide to finish them APCs we can actually use them.
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City 18 best map, nuff said. Although I would like to see City 8 on the server at some point, anything that isn't Shitty 45.
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City 8 is never going to happen, RoflWaffle is probably not going to allow it.
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City 8 was my favourite. Good memories with 399 there. Thats also where 399 died. I say we hold poll.
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NO. The devs had to suffer through enough to create C45, and yet you people want a fucking map change on a daily basis. No other map is THIS WELL BALANCED! nexus is perfect, D6 is perfect, D2 is perfect; everything is perfect, and best of al, no lag. Its bright and sunny and cheerful, not gloomy and depressing like C8 and C18.
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What the hell is up with you people, C45 seems amazing to me. Sure C18 is plain and simple, but it's overused and boring.
Agreed. I love City45 because no other server uses it. D6 is perfect for lolwebels, and D2 is perfect for the CWU. The Nexus is also perfect because it is large and does it's purpose well.
I hate City18, it is to dark and just flat out annoying.
My point exactly. Its good to see I'm not the only one who thinks so. If you don't like City 45, then don't play on this server. Go find a City 18 or City 8 server to play on.
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Hl2rp isent supposed to feel cheerful, its supposed to feel depressing. City 8 has three apartment blocks, a great nexus, underground for rebels and a subway, lots of stores, lots of places to rp. It might be small but it is amazing.
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Shitty 45 is terrible for promoting a Half-Life 2 atmosphere and mood. City 18 was dark, gloomy and gave you the feeling you were in the days where your freedom was gone, there was no more happy emotion, you were enslaved in a dark city where you obeyed or was punished severely. 45 does not do this, but gives you a stupid happy feeling and despite what people claim about C18 being a mingeville, C45 is much worse. D2 serves no purpose other than wasting space on C45, D6 is imo, too big. C18 had a really good sized restricted D2, and was acctually controlled concerning raiding which hardly occured and stuff without having to bring in restrictions. The Nexus on C45 is nothing compared to C18's Nexus.
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The Nexus on C45 is nothing compared to C18's Nexus.
I didn't get that part.
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C45 is great, but from what I hear the map is, 'Stopping any more development'. That, is somewhat calling for a mapchange in the future itself.
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City 45's nexus has:
Multiple firing ranges
Tower
Training room
Showers (And one actually works)
Sparring pit
Armory with a keypad
Multiple airlocks
More cells
A better Treatment room
Interrogation
CA office
a force field to stop units from falling down the elevator shaft
A room that has all the dispatch bs
Grid MoC.
And more I can't think of, and we have an RDT that makes it impossibre to steal rations, furthermore, the outpost in the RDT can be used if the Nexus' cells are full. Not to mention S6 is very nice for webulling. What the fuck is wrong with City 45? Nothing. You guys just can't handle a good and balanced map, so you want Shitty 18, and Shittier 8. Don't like the fact City 45 is sunny and cheerful? Too fucking bad, turn your brightness settings down. Maybe the devs can edit the map to make it depressing, just for you emo kids.
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City 45's nexus has:
Multiple firing ranges
Tower
Training room
Showers (And one actually works)
Sparring pit
Armory with a keypad
Multiple airlocks
More cells
A better Treatment room
Interrogation
CA office
a force field to stop units from falling down the elevator shaft
A room that has all the dispatch bs
Grid MoC.
And more I can't think of, and we have an RDT that makes it impossibre to steal rations, furthermore, the outpost in the RDT can be used if the Nexus' cells are full. Not to mention S6 is very nice for webulling. What the fuck is wrong with City 45? Nothing. You guys just can't handle a good and balanced map, so you want Shitty 18, and Shittier 8. Don't like the fact City 45 is sunny and cheerful? Too fucking bad, turn your brightness settings down. Maybe the devs can edit the map to make it depressing, just for you emo kids.
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Agreed.
How would you feel if you spent a megafuckload of time working on something only to have people bitch over one tiny fact that even a derp can fix.
Hell you want depressing I'll make a night version for you to stop your bitching.
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I would want to edit City 8 lol. I'll ask Davebrown.
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City 45's nexus has:
Multiple firing ranges
Tower
Training room
Showers (And one actually works)
Sparring pit
Armory with a keypad
Multiple airlocks
More cells
A better Treatment room
Interrogation
CA office
a force field to stop units from falling down the elevator shaft
A room that has all the dispatch bs
Grid MoC.
And more I can't think of, and we have an RDT that makes it impossibre to steal rations, furthermore, the outpost in the RDT can be used if the Nexus' cells are full. Not to mention S6 is very nice for webulling. What the fuck is wrong with City 45? Nothing. You guys just can't handle a good and balanced map, so you want Shitty 18, and Shittier 8. Don't like the fact City 45 is sunny and cheerful? Too fucking bad, turn your brightness settings down. Maybe the devs can edit the map to make it depressing, just for you emo kids.
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I love you man. You said what I've been trying to get across every time this topic brought up. For those of you who read this and are about to say "[cry]But you can't pick a city based on the CCA's needs!!1!1 Its about the citizens!!1![/cry]" City 45 has everything citizens need and want, plus much more. You're basically saying you'd rather give up all the excess shit you have for a depressing, small, and overused map with far less. Some of you think and have even said the CCA is merely there to increase RP for citizens. We actually like to RP as well and enjoy the facilities we have. C45 is perfectly balanced for both the CCA, the citizens, and the lolwebuls. If it isn't broken, don't fix it.
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City45 is not useful for citizens. If there's any map that citizens can enjoy, its city8_2.
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City45 is not useful for citizens. If there's any map that citizens can enjoy, its city8_2.
COUGH COUGH RAIDEN
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how about this? Seeing how the Nexus is set up for what the CCA NEED lets set the city up for everything the Citizens need?
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Because the map is already fucked and stuffed with stuff that causes RSO the moment people join and spawn a prop (until Gmod 13 is released), but we seriously need to get off Shitty 45, it is as said, way too CCA Orientated too.
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City 8 is perfect, if I'd stop getting that "Steam is too busy to handle your request" shit, I'd even help to make a better one myself. But I need SDK first.
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City 45 has everything a citizen needs. I mean, look at D6! It is a perfect size for people, and it even has apartments in it. The only thing people do on City18 is circle jerk at the plaza. As for City8, I do not believe I have played it BUT, City45 is perfect. You are all blind if you think City45 is about the CCA. The CPs have a nexus that is small on the outside, but huge on the inside. The CWU have a small building for their HQ, and they just buy a shop/build one to sell their stuff. The citizen's have a great ration center. They also have apartments at the plaza in case you do not like to go into D6. D6 is also perfect because (as said above) it has apartments. It had that underground bar, it has the train station (And that connects to the other Train Station), it has that junk yard. I could go on and on about it, but City45 is perfect.
The Devs spent a long time making it, so keep it for at least 4-5 more months. Stop complaining and deal with the great map we have.
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The Dev spent a long time editing it, so keep it for at least 4-5 more months. Stop complaining and deal with the great map we have.
Fixed. Also the 'dev' ragequit and has yet to be seen since.
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The Dev spent a long time editing it, so keep it for at least 4-5 more months. Stop complaining and deal with the great map we have.
Fixed. Also the 'dev' ragequit and has yet to be seen since.
Who was he?
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I don't know what you people think citizens need. Citizens have everything they need plus some in City 45. In HL2RP, citizens don't live in the lap of luxury, yet they have it in City 45. They have the UCH, which has a good amount of nice apartments. Not only that, but there's also a good amount of apartments in D6. There are plenty of shops in the plaza, and even some in D2 and D6 if you don't like those. There are benches and plenty of them to sit on. You have a fucking park next to the UCH you can do shit in. You actually have an RDT, which citizens should be greatly thankful for as much as they ask for rations to get their 60 token increase. The CWU has an HQ...AN HQ! City 18 has no space for any such thing unless you take one of the shops like Foto or some shit and try to convert it. I've never played City 8 I don't think, but I doubt it has any space for the CWU either. City 45 also has an ass load of room for people to move around and explore, and all that shit.
Another issue is most of those who have units love the City 45 Nexus. What makes people want to join the CCA and stay in it and stay active on their unit is the City 45 Nexus. If you go changing the map without editing it to make it at least as good as it is now, you're going to see a drop in unit activity and a drop in interest of people wanting to get units.
I can't understand or believe that people want to change a perfectly good map that exceeds the needs of both the citizens and the CCA and CWU and lolwebuls.
But let's just take a look at what citizens need: Housing, RP space, shops, slums (for rebel characters), and maybe some sort of medical center. Anything more than that is simply excessive and not an RP need of a citizen.
Now let's look at what City 45 offers citizens: Housing (UCH, D6 apartments), RP space (Plaza, UCH park, sewers, train station, etc.), shops (The plaza shops, the D2 shops, the D6 shops), slums (D6, the sewers, part of D2), medical center (CWU clinic). Well look at that, City 45 meets and exceeds the needs of citizens. Let's not stop there though, City 45 has even more to offer, The RDT. Which allows for unique RP and ration handouts. This benefits both the citizens and CCA.
You can say, "Oh well City 18/8 is better because it also has all those needs." Trying to say another city is "Better" because it also meets citizen's RP needs is false. Having a depressing environment is not a need, it is a want. Citizens already have more than they need in City 45 and the only thing that could be "Better" is something that has more than City 45. You can't find that unless you make it yourself.
My proposal for solving this issue is to further edit City 45 to accommodate everyone's wants. I say wants because their needs are already overly satisfied. The problem is, no one seems to be capable of, or has the work ethic to begin such a project. Many in the past have started such projects, but given up midstream and left everyone high and dry. Perhaps with the release of Gmod 13 in 2030, we can get started on such a thing.
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The Devs spent a long time editing it, so keep it for at least 4-5 more months. Stop complaining and deal with the great map we have.
Fixed. Also the 'dev' ragequit and has yet to be seen since.
Fixed again.
If it werent for me we would not have the RDT, Training room, or parts of the nexus as a whole.
It was a complete edit but has since become something more than an edit. It is completely different.
However, yes. Kazuo/KFrohman rage quit HL2RP after falling out with the sec and high command for inadequate performance and constant threat of public map release.
It's a shame, he taught me everything I know lol.
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My apologies kiwiee. I assumed kaz was the only dev for this.
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City 18 was the death of catalyst-gaming.
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My apologies kiwiee. I assumed kaz was the only dev for this.
It's fine. To be honest I've always been told I was only an idea bitch anyway. XD
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The most passive rp ive seen from all Factions came from city 8. Cits opened shops and used the streetside fiod amd merchant vendors often. Rebels navigated and lived in the sewers, creeping around and stealing foods from the surface, CCA may have not have had a GRID and training area but they managed. CWU had an excellent HQ with a hospital.
If dave replies to me, ill modify C8 to CGs needs.
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The most passive rp ive seen from all Factions came from city 8. Cits opened shops and used the streetside fiod amd merchant vendors often. Rebels navigated and lived in the sewers, creeping around and stealing foods from the surface, CCA may have not have had a GRID and training area but they managed. CWU had an excellent HQ with a hospital.
If dave replies to me, ill modify C8 to CGs needs.
Or we could edit C45 to work more with the Citizens Passive AND Rebel RP AND Streamline the props so it doesn't cause RSO...
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City 18 was the death of catalyst-gaming.
Yea-no. The roleplay on City 18 was a lot better than what is currently going off on City 45, not to mention the CWU was also alive and roleplaying good on C18, and they even had a decent building for it along with that balcony I used to stand on nearly 24/7 when I had my worker on C18. RDT RP was surprisingly better as well if you can even think of it being better. Overall, the RP, atmosphere and mood of C18 was better than C45 and whoever continues to think C45 is a godly map that is better than all the other maps really needs glasses and to stop being dumb fucks. /rant
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City 18 was the death of catalyst-gaming.
Yea-no. The roleplay on City 18 was a lot better than what is currently going off on City 45, not to mention the CWU was also alive and roleplaying good on C18, and they even had a decent building for it along with that balcony I used to stand on nearly 24/7 when I had my worker on C18. RDT RP was surprisingly better as well if you can even think of it being better. Overall, the RP, atmosphere and mood of C18 was better than C45 and whoever continues to think C45 is a godly map that is better than all the other maps really needs glasses and to stop being dumb fucks. /rant
Well. If you had noticed, when we were on the original C45 (The first time we were on it) RP was great. Then we decided to have an antlion event, moved to C18, and then that was when minges started pouring in. It's unfixable now.