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Title: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: SoapANator on January 18, 2012, 09:46:14 PM
Yeah, Lucid dreaming. I just discovered what it was. I want to know from to know from the community is it a good idea or not.

Explain why is it a good / bad idea and why.
I want to have one but I'm very cautious if this a good idea at all. Since some things that happened to some people.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Tyler on January 18, 2012, 09:47:39 PM
Yeah, it's very... I wouldent say fun, but interesting. Definently something to try if you can do it.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Heavy on January 18, 2012, 10:51:55 PM
Lucid dreaming...It's honestly really weird the first time.

I remember when I was younger, I had a lucid dream when I had no idea what lucid dreaming was. I remember waking up thinking what happened was too real, and I remember feeling everything I touched as if it were life.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Adrian ?NoRagrets on January 19, 2012, 04:23:08 AM
Incoming information; BRACE!

*Morgan Freeman is now narrating this text in your head*

This is NOT religious bullshit, it has been effectively backed up by scientific evidence.
Lucid dreaming is a scientifically proven state of mind.


What is lucid dreaming?

Dreaming is a state of mind during sleep when the brain reaches a certain activity called the "Theta" state. During this state, the brain operates at a frequency of around 5 Hz. This is also called "REM-sleep", as you probably know since you've looked into all this. At this state, several other brain functions have been deactivated, for example the "Dorsolaterl Prefrontal Cortex" or DPC. The DPC is the part of the brain that helps us understand the difference between "You" and "Me", and without it we're unable to differentiate ourselves from the rest of the world. It controls rational and logical thinking and your self-awareness.  In short, you could say it controls your "First-person logics", which is why you are able to dream in third-person when in the brain "Theta" stage.
 
During this low brain activity our dreams are very bland and blurry and it is often very difficult to remember anything of what you have seen during the night.

If you raise the brain activity to 10-35 Hz, your brain now enters the "Beta" state. This is when you're normally awake, 10 Hz being just woken up and 35 Hz being incredibly (and rarely) alert. During the course of the day, it is completely impossible to raise brain activity above 35 Hz because such are the limitations of the brain.

Raising the frequency additionally, which is only possible during sleep, your brain enters a "Gamma" state. The Gamma state covers the frequencies 35-60 Hz, and occurs when you are having a lucid dream. 35 Hz being a semi-lucid dream and 60 Hz being a lucid dream so vivid that you couldn't tell if apart from reality if you didn't know you were dreaming.

So what actually happens during lucid dreaming to raise the brain activity to such extremes? During daytime, your brain functions are limited to processing short-term information such operating logic, taste, smell, auditory senses and so on. When the night kicks in, your brain functions completely differently. Logic is no longer being processed in the brain, and the brain enters a state of recovery. This state of recovery is meant to process all input information that was given during that day, for example putting knowledge you learned into long-term memory. It processes people you've seen, impressions you've observed and in summary goes through your day to understand what has happened.

Turning off all logic in the brain causes the brain activity to drop dramatically, even though this recovery process is still ongoing. Disabling logic and self awareness also causes a confusion in the brain, making it believe you are going through everything you went through the day before, BUT WITHOUT LOGIC. This is why your dreams are sometimes f- up good.

But if something were to happen during nighttime that caused your DPC to re-enable itself, the DPC would in turn enable ALL your senses, causing brain activity to go crazy. The brain activity raise is because of neuron cross-fire between the different parts of the brain, which NEVER happens during the Beta state, due to the recovery functions of the brain being disabled.

When the different parts of the brain starts to cross-fire electrical impulses, you enter a state of imaginary reality. ALL your senses are enabled, including your self-awareness, causing you to experience a dream so vivid that it could very well be real. You start smelling, hearing, tasting and feeling things inside the dream. Your brain is now frenetically showing data back and forth while processing it with logic; this causes the sensation of lucid dreaming.

Questions about lucid dreaming?

1) Is there any chance to get lost in the dream, and actually end up believing you're in reality?
No, this isn't inception. As stated, your DPC is enabled, processing everything with logic. You understand very quickly that what you are seeing is not real. Lucid dreaming has several times been compared to drug trips, where you experience an incredibly vivid but unrealistic experience. Even as you trip, you realize that what you're seeing is not real. This does not necessarily mean that you can't enjoy your trip or your dream.

2) Can I get injured physically or mentally by experiencing lucid dreams?
No, not if you do it with moderation. The sensation of lucid dreaming is experienced due to a re-activation of your Prefrontal Cortex during sleep. The re-activation in itself is not harmful, and neither is the electric-impulse cross-fire that is caused by the re-activation. However, the Prefrontal Cortex shuts down for a reason during nighttime; It needs to rest. Generally during one night, the Prefrontal Cortex will need 30 minutes of rest, even if it stays deactivated all night. Why doesn't it re-activate after 30 minutes? According to the brain, it doesn't need the Prefrontal Cortex to perform any of its given tasks, and it is just a waste of energy. Noteworthy though is that lucid dreaming IS NOT the same thing as staying awake, considering the brain recovery is active during lucidity.

3) How do terminate a lucid dream?
Terminating a lucid dream is simple, but consider it carefully before you do.
During sleep, the body paralyzes the major muscle groups of the body, to avoid you from getting up and running around when you're dreaming. When you are dreaming, the EXACT same impulses are sent to your muscles as when you're awake, hence the paralyzing of the muscles. The body does however NOT paralyze minor muscle groups, such as the top of your fingers and toes. If you continue to move your fingers or toes, the brain will start interpreting a strange sensation coming from outside the dream. This sensation is your toes or fingers moving while you're in your bed, and will effectively scare the brain to raise your heart-rate and consequently effectively waking you up.

4) My lucid dream is blurry, how do I make it more lucid?
Vivid lucid dreaming is a skill that takes practice, and you are not very likely to perform a successful perfectly vivid lucid dream the first time you try. What you should to to improve lucidity is to use your senses during the dream to wake your Prefrontal Cortex to a more awake state. This can be done simply by rubbing your hands together to induce feeling, or spinning around on the spot to induce the sensation of balance. There are endless of ways to improve lucidity, but most importantly you need to practice. People who only have experienced lucid dreaming once or twice will not understand how vivid a dream can truly become.

How do I become lucid?

There are several methods, but here are the two most commonly used methods.

1) Dream-induced lucid dreaming (DILD)
This method utilizes normal dreaming which later during the dream turns into a lucid dream. This is not as effective as the method below, but a tenfold easier. The principle is to identify reality through regular "dream-checks". An example is to write an "A" as in awake on your palm, and check your hand with regular intervals. If you do this for long enough, you will end up doing this regularly in your dream as well, since your brain is set to check your hand every hour for example. If you end up checking your hand during your dream, and you notice that there is no longer an "A" on your palm, or you notice that you have more or less than 5 fingers, you increase your chances of waking your Prefrontal Cortex up dramatically. This would lead directly to lucid dreaming, but NOT a very vivid dream. You would have to take further steps to make the dream more lucid (check questions above).
You can experiment with ways of questioning reality in any way that suits you, for example you could say "Every time I see the color yellow, I'm going to ask myself the question if I am dreaming" and so on.

2) Wake-induced lucid dreaming (WILD)
This method utilizes a principle of moving directly from a consciousness (awake) state to a dreaming state. This is my preferred method of lucid dreaming, but it takes a lot of practice and can in the early stages of practicing be very unsettling or uncomfortable.
With this method you will retain consciousness as you fall asleep, consequently forcing your brain to rem-sleep with your Prefrontal Cortex already active. The method requires you to go through a state of "Hypnagogia", which is to some a very unpleasant experience. Hypnagogia is the transitional state between being awake and being asleep. We all go through Hypnagogia every night we go to sleep, but by the time it kicks in we have already lost our consciousness. Retaining consciousness until Hypnagogia is very difficult to beginners and you should not give up if you fail the first time.

So what exactly happens during Hypnagogia?
As your brain prepares to go to sleep, it shuts down you physical body. The first step is muscular paralysis, and during this state you may feel very uncomfortable. For example, you may have a very difficult time breathing, as several major chest-expansion muscles shut down. What is important to understand is that THESE SENSATIONS ARE NOT REAL. You are NOT suffocating, only experiencing the sensation of suffocating. The best you can do to endure it is to embrace the feeling and think of it as a special and unique experience.
After your major muscle-groups have been paralyzed, you will start experiencing sleep onset. Your brain recovery functions are activated which consequently begins the cross-fire between the different parts of the brain. Your Prefrontal Cortex will for a start experience this as very uncomfortable, and start to exaggerate your sensations to an extreme. The most common experiences are: 1) You will start to feel as if your whole body is shaking violently. 2) You will feel a falling sensation, as if you're falling through your bed and the ground. 3) You will hear extremely loud noises, such as bangs or explosions. 4) You will feel a presence, as if somebody is leaning over your bed and watching you.
REMEMBER: None of these experiences are REAL and can NOT hurt you physically. For example: You cannot go deaf from the noises since they are just a product of your brains over-activity. You are lying completely still in your bed as your brain starts the activity of lucid dreaming. (To break out of Hypnagogia purposely, due to being scared or uncomfortable, use the same steps as breaking out of a lucid dream above.)

During the time you are experiencing these sensations, you will also start hallucinating as if on a drug trip. You will see colors and strange shapes forming behind your eyelids, which is the effect of the forced rem-sleep. This is your dream forming before your conscious eyes. You may see faces, monsters and strange places you have no memory of ever seeing in real life. This is to me the most fascinating part of the Hypnagogia, as your dream is built before you.

After the Hypnagogia comes to an end, and the strange colors before your eyes have finally turned into a dream there is only a single challenge left; to enter the dream. This may sound as a confusing concept, but for most people, as your dream forms before them they're not a "part" of it, they are just observing it. This is a concept that cannot be explained properly with words, and needs to be experienced to be understood. My solution to this problem was to "step into the dream"; as the dream forms I step into a type of surreal frame and finally I am part of the lucid dream. I have also noticed that you can chose to observe the dream from the outside, without stepping into it, but this makes you lose all control of your dream as it flashes before you.

After completing the "WILD" process, you should now be dreaming an incredibly lucid and vivid dream.

There are hundred of detailed guides on google on how to perform WILD. Below are some examples:
http://www.dreamviews.com/wiki/WILD-Wake-Initiated-Lucid-Dream
http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/wake-induced-lucid-dreams.html
http://www.wikihow.com/Have-a-Wake-Induced-Lucid-Dream-(WILD)

My own experiences with lucid dreaming

I've been a lucid dreamer for roughly a year now and my dreams are becoming more and more vivid by the week. I use wake-induced lucid dreaming to experience it rather than dream-induced lucid dreaming. The reason for that is because I tried using DILD about a year and a half ago, but gave up after around 4 months. That's when I started experimenting with WILD and Hypnagogia. My first experiences with a successful WILD was incredible, but it took me several months to learn to perform it half-decently. During my first few WILD-seasons, I didn't even get to the Hypnagogia and was terribly disappointed. A few attempts later, I reached Hypnagogia and got so excited about it that I broke out of it and woke up instantly. The rest of the attempts were just practice to learn to stay calm and control my sensations to get past Hypnagogia. When I actually got past it I was in for a crazy experience, and had an incredibly lucid and vivid dream.

My recommendation is only to do this if you really are interested, and if you do, do NOT give up easily. If you manage to master the methods for dreaming lucidly, you will experience different levels of human consciousness, which is as "Brandon" posted a very interesting experience.

Good luck! <3

e; tldr: do it.

Works cited: None, bitches.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Martinerrr on January 19, 2012, 06:46:47 AM
Lucid Dreaming is fucked up.

The first time I tried it I was too scared to even try after reading peoples' opinions about it, that you wouldn't be able to move, every shadow would become something, your sanity would be very unreal. - It would feel like you are dying, seeing yet not being able to do anything. - So I couldn't do it and just kept moving my body for a week after I read it, trying NOT to Lucid Dream.

Then after a while, it just happened to me, not just once. - I just go to bed, lay down, unaware of actually 'summoning' a lucid dream, not moving. I would open my eyes, see my whole room. For some reason I tried to stand up, get out of my bed. Then this weird feeling rushed me and scared me, I couldn't move. So I tried to look at my arm in an instant, I swear I moved it in front of me, I had the feeling of lifting it, but I couldn't see it. Then I went, oh this is Lucid Dreaming. - Scared of what to come I turned my head to my left really fast and I woke up.

Then it happened again, and basically I woke myself up, I was too excited or something.
If you read things about people seeing stuff, that didn't happen to me. Nor did the feeling of a very heavy blanket laying on your feet, nor did I feel my legs going up to my head or something.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Black Elf on January 19, 2012, 03:17:00 PM
My symptoms are very similar to Martin. Just an acute awareness of my being whilst in a dream like state, nothing alarming other than feeling movement without actually seeing it. As for the waking up on my own.. I haven't gotten to controlling that yet, I just sorta snap out of it after a while.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Statua on January 19, 2012, 03:37:14 PM
It's heard to get into the state where you can do whatever the hell you can dream of. (literally) I was trying for a few months. The best I could do was I was on a road trip to the states and decided to change my Honda Civic to a Lamborghini Diablo. It worked but I got excited and woke myself up.

One easy thing to do is know your dream signs. Mine are numbers never stay the same. Example, on the road trip, I looked at the sign and it said like $1.67/L. I looked at a friend then back at the sign and it said $1.34 so I knew then I was dreaming.

Basically, you cant lucid dream unless you know you're dreaming in the dream world. And if you do, don't get too excited.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Martinerrr on January 19, 2012, 03:41:58 PM
Basically, you cant lucid dream unless you know you're dreaming in the dream world. And if you do, don't get too excited.
Oh right, Lucid Dreaming also fucks up your idea of reality. That's what Inception actually was based off of, after me having it a while. I kept looking at my hands if they were distorted.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Sheepyea on January 19, 2012, 03:50:32 PM
Word of advice though: Lucid dreaming doesn't, to my experience, provide as much rest as a normal night's sleep. So don't do it if you need to get up early. You'll hate yourself.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Somone77 on January 19, 2012, 04:33:53 PM
Also, be careful if you are looking for a quick way and try the "WILD" method, sleep paralysis is harmless, but is fucking terrifying if you aren't prepared for it. Common hallucinations are clocked black figures approaching slowly to the foot of your bed while you can't move your arms or legs. I used to get that when I was ~6 (had a sleeping disorder) and it was the worst experience of my life.

Lucid dreaming, however, can be one of the best experiences of your life. Not only can it let you do things you can't in real life, but it can help you solve major problems. Many scientists have experimented with lucid dreaming as a way to understand complex mathmatics and science.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Adrian ?NoRagrets on January 20, 2012, 12:05:32 AM
Basically, you cant lucid dream unless you know you're dreaming in the dream world. And if you do, don't get too excited.
Oh right, Lucid Dreaming also fucks up your idea of reality. That's what Inception actually was based off of, after me having it a while. I kept looking at my hands if they were distorted.

No. Inception is based of off several myths and legends surrounding dreams, and has nothing to do with the reality of lucid dreaming. You cannot lose yourself in a dream nor can you dream in layers. Your prefrontal cortex nullifies these myths and handles your logics appropriately while lucidly dreaming. There can on the other hand be the illusion of dreaming in layers, but all that's happening in the brain is that your dream changes to another dream. If you have a dream of waking up, and the dream switches "back" to the other dream, you experience the sensation of dreaming in layers.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Martinerrr on January 20, 2012, 08:00:56 AM
Basically, you cant lucid dream unless you know you're dreaming in the dream world. And if you do, don't get too excited.
Oh right, Lucid Dreaming also fucks up your idea of reality. That's what Inception actually was based off of, after me having it a while. I kept looking at my hands if they were distorted.

No. Inception is based of off several myths and legends surrounding dreams, and has nothing to do with the reality of lucid dreaming. You cannot lose yourself in a dream nor can you dream in layers. Your prefrontal cortex nullifies these myths and handles your logics appropriately while lucidly dreaming. There can on the other hand be the illusion of dreaming in layers, but all that's happening in the brain is that your dream changes to another dream. If you have a dream of waking up, and the dream switches "back" to the other dream, you experience the sensation of dreaming in layers.
I am just saying it is based off of, base is not entirely it. - What kind of myths are these.. Source?
Title: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: autism on January 20, 2012, 08:30:09 AM
Im really confused... How is this even possible... This sounds very interesting, but how is this done?


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Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Adrian ?NoRagrets on January 20, 2012, 08:40:27 AM
Basically, you cant lucid dream unless you know you're dreaming in the dream world. And if you do, don't get too excited.
Oh right, Lucid Dreaming also fucks up your idea of reality. That's what Inception actually was based off of, after me having it a while. I kept looking at my hands if they were distorted.

No. Inception is based of off several myths and legends surrounding dreams, and has nothing to do with the reality of lucid dreaming. You cannot lose yourself in a dream nor can you dream in layers. Your prefrontal cortex nullifies these myths and handles your logics appropriately while lucidly dreaming. There can on the other hand be the illusion of dreaming in layers, but all that's happening in the brain is that your dream changes to another dream. If you have a dream of waking up, and the dream switches "back" to the other dream, you experience the sensation of dreaming in layers.
I am just saying it is based off of, base is not entirely it. - What kind of myths are these.. Source?

http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/lucid-dreaming-faq.html

Here are a few answered. No scientific list of myths, if that what you were expecting :|
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Martinerrr on January 20, 2012, 09:23:49 AM
I am just saying it is based off of, base is not entirely it. - What kind of myths are these.. Source?

http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/lucid-dreaming-faq.html

Here are a few answered. No scientific list of myths, if that what you were expecting :|
No this is what I meant.

Can I talk to my subconscious in a lucid dream?
In dreams, we have easy access to our subconscious mind. It is right there, setting up the imagery and guiding the plot. So once you become lucid, you can personify your subconscious by talking to a dream figure and seeking all the information you like from your subconscious inner self. You may be surprised by the answers you get!

Handy website, yet I do think the movie itself is somewhat based off of a kind of lucid dreaming or just dreaming.

Edit: Alright, for people that didn't understand what I meant with this.
Basically, you cant lucid dream unless you know you're dreaming in the dream world. And if you do, don't get too excited.
Oh right, Lucid Dreaming also fucks up your idea of reality. That's what Inception actually was based off of, after me having it a while. I kept looking at my hands if they were distorted.
I'll explain why I said it fucks up your idea of reality. To become aware of such a dream, and control it(not wild) you'll have to do reality checks, these reality checks would tell you if you are somewhat in a dream, obviously you'll have to go deeper than just looking at your palm, if it's distorted or anything different. - But what I'm saying is, when you're not dreaming you sometimes could have the feeling, you are. And that's why it fucks up reality, in my perspective, it has quite happened. But the first time I did a reality check in my dream I didn't know what to do, I was rushed by a scared feeling and got 'kicked' out of the dream and woke up.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Adrian ?NoRagrets on January 20, 2012, 11:35:01 AM
Edit: Alright, for people that didn't understand what I meant with this.
Basically, you cant lucid dream unless you know you're dreaming in the dream world. And if you do, don't get too excited.
Oh right, Lucid Dreaming also fucks up your idea of reality. That's what Inception actually was based off of, after me having it a while. I kept looking at my hands if they were distorted.
I'll explain why I said it fucks up your idea of reality. To become aware of such a dream, and control it(not wild) you'll have to do reality checks, these reality checks would tell you if you are somewhat in a dream, obviously you'll have to go deeper than just looking at your palm, if it's distorted or anything different. - But what I'm saying is, when you're not dreaming you sometimes could have the feeling, you are. And that's why it fucks up reality, in my perspective, it has quite happened. But the first time I did a reality check in my dream I didn't know what to do, I was rushed by a scared feeling and got 'kicked' out of the dream and woke up.
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Oh yeah I understand what you mean now. Yes, this happened to me too during the period I did reality checks. I had this weird feeling I'd snap out of what I thought was reality and into a dream. Strange as hell, but cool.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Penguin on January 20, 2012, 05:14:50 PM
Does anyone's vision in the dream ever go extremely blurry once you figure out that it is a dream?
I can't deal well with dark figures approaching me, too strange.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Martinerrr on January 20, 2012, 05:31:23 PM
Does anyone's vision in the dream ever go extremely blurry once you figure out that it is a dream?
I can't deal well with dark figures approaching me, too strange.
"If your lucid dream is coming to an end, you will notice your senses fading away - starting with vision and finishing with touch. It can happen within seconds so you need to act fast or you'll wake up. Alternatively, you may just lose your clarity of thought and slip back into a regular dream state which is blurry and guides itself."

You are most likely scared, nervous or any rushing emotion that is trying to wake you up. The solution to this is increasing your awareness.

If you notice the dream is slipping away (losing color and detail):
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Penguin on January 20, 2012, 05:34:29 PM
But how am I to know when it is a truly lucid dream?
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Martinerrr on January 20, 2012, 05:38:51 PM
But how am I to know when it is a truly lucid dream?
Reality checks.

"To learn lucid dreaming, you must be able to spot the difference between a dream and waking reality.
Normally when you dream, you accept it as real life. It's only when you wake up that you realize something was strange.
By integrating reality checks into your waking life, you will soon do them in your dreams. This will snap your conscious mind to realizing: 'Hey - I'm dreaming!'"

"My default reality check is pushing two fingers from my right hand into the palm of my left hand and willing them to pass straight through. In waking life, this is discreet and always yields the same resistance. In a dream, my willing the fingers to pass through causes it to happen 90% of the time."

Also some effective reality checks.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Penguin on January 20, 2012, 05:44:17 PM
Well I understand now, but do these dreams ever scare you? I have had fucked up dreams and I can remember them, I think about them and remember some totally retarded errors that I don't understand how I missed. For example, I have had dreams where my "parents" weren't what I remembered, some random items and just other stuff that I should have noticed.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Martinerrr on January 20, 2012, 05:48:32 PM
Well I understand now, but do these dreams ever scare you? I have had fucked up dreams and I can remember them, I think about them and remember some totally retarded errors that I don't understand how I missed. For example, I have had dreams where my "parents" weren't what I remembered, some random items and just other stuff that I should have noticed.
See that's why many people do Lucid Dreams.
First, if you want to do a Lucid Dream, you have to make up an idea why to do it.
I myself, want to find out more about myself, my subconscious. If there's people in your dream, talk with them. - These people are not other people, they are you. They are your reflection. Just ask them stuff like. "Hey, how are you?" "What are you doing here?" Normal questions, and if they respond weird. Go on about it, yes this may seem fucked up. But facts are proven.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Penguin on January 20, 2012, 05:50:41 PM
I see, it may be informative talking to myself. In fact I may try just to see if it works for me.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Heavy on January 20, 2012, 06:15:52 PM
I honestly used the other method last night. After looking at my hands, and asking myself if I were in a dream (Took 3 weeks) I did it in a dream. It only lasted a small amount of time after that, but it was odd. I'm going to try this WILD method tonight.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Martinerrr on January 20, 2012, 06:20:39 PM
I honestly used the other method last night. After looking at my hands, and asking myself if I were in a dream (Took 3 weeks) I did it in a dream. It only lasted a small amount of time after that, but it was odd. I'm going to try this WILD method tonight.
Don't try WILD. - WILD is very scary.
The reason why I am so active in this thread is because I am making my subconscious ready, making it ready for doing it tonight. - Without a day of preparations. I have looked at my hands every now and then, know how they look, have questioned if I'm dreaming. And seriously go on about, not just think and say okay. - I have read most of their posts to become more aware on what to do, and basically I am ready. And with them I mean websites that are based for it. I use http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/ It's a very simple website, make sure when there's something linked open it in new tab read it later. It's simple, and not hard to read.

Don't do WILD I say again.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Somone77 on January 20, 2012, 08:28:06 PM
Saying not to use the WILD method is the wrong idea about the whole process.

The WILD method is only scary if you make it so. The general idea is to not let those thoughts cross your mind, don't think about a faceless demon entering your room to kill you. Think happy and be objective. Remember what you are trying to do and don't lose that thought. If at any time it becomes scary close your eyes and do some math, you'll enter a normal dream and have a normal night's sleep.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Penguin on January 20, 2012, 08:43:36 PM
I could understand how it can be scary but isn't the point of this whole thread to get up to the WILD method?
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Krisrules on January 20, 2012, 09:24:42 PM
Can a lucid dream turn in to... A lucid nightmare? I've read this thread at 02:24 AM and am actually shitting myself and dont want to go to bed...
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: The Doctor, RIP Juggernaut on January 20, 2012, 09:25:59 PM
How does one start lucid dreaming?
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Heavy on January 20, 2012, 09:29:40 PM
Can a lucid dream turn in to... A lucid nightmare? I've read this thread at 02:24 AM and am actually shitting myself and dont want to go to bed...

Yes, but remember when you're in a lucid dream, you are pretty much controlling your dream. You could point at the thing chasing it and make it explode if you wanted. Hell, in my dream I flew through the roof of my house into my bedroom, where I locked my door.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Penguin on January 20, 2012, 09:33:06 PM
Or you could also let it play through and see what the nightmare represents, so you can know what scares you and learn more about yourself. I certainly am no expert this is based off of what I have read. A lucid dream is simply when you are experiencing a dream and you do something that solidifies it is a dream and stimulate your brain to give you control.
Title: Re: Lucid Dreaming (Right section?)
Post by: Somone77 on January 20, 2012, 11:26:14 PM
The greatest way to start lucid dreaming is the longest one. It can take months to master but once you do, you will have a lucid dream every night.

It includes keeping a dream journal and logging your dreams every night. If you want to know how, this link may help you:
http://www.dreamviews.com/wiki/Lucid-Dreaming-Quick-Start-Tutorial
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Post by: Statua on January 20, 2012, 11:44:00 PM
But how am I to know when it is a truly lucid dream?

Like I said earlier. I always look at numbers twice. Even IRL.
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Post by: Penguin on January 20, 2012, 11:58:16 PM
But how am I to know when it is a truly lucid dream?

Like I said earlier. I always look at numbers twice. Even IRL.
Usually I can tell when I am in a dream because my vision is very poor guess I will try yelling something.
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Post by: Col. Avalanche on January 21, 2012, 12:00:30 AM
Not sure if Lucid Dreaming or not; but I wake up pretty often wondering if the things I dreamed of actually happened. I have very vivid dreams, and I've always been interested in the idea of having more control over dreams, but never got into it.
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Post by: Adrian ?NoRagrets on January 21, 2012, 03:14:32 AM
Can a lucid dream turn in to... A lucid nightmare? I've read this thread at 02:24 AM and am actually shitting myself and dont want to go to bed...

Depends on how you define a nightmare. From my own experience, I have had dreams about monsters, being chased, being in dark and creepy places, but with the knowledge that nothing which I am seeing can harm me I'm generally calm about it. I've heard some people can feel pain in lucid dreams, but this is not the case for me; I've jumped off cliffs, planes, skyscrapers and been stabbed, shot and eaten in my dreams without feeling any pain.
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Post by: Somone77 on January 21, 2012, 03:24:33 AM
Depends on how you define a nightmare. From my own experience, I have had dreams about monsters, being chased, being in dark and creepy places, but with the knowledge that nothing which I am seeing can harm me I'm generally calm about it. I've heard some people can feel pain in lucid dreams, but this is not the case for me; I've jumped off cliffs, planes, skyscrapers and been stabbed, shot and eaten in my dreams without feeling any pain.

This one has quite.... Interesting? Dreams.
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Post by: Eclipse on January 21, 2012, 04:16:05 AM
I've always wanted to try this, but I can never get it to work xD
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Post by: GeneralTrivium on January 21, 2012, 06:15:34 AM
It takes patience and practice. But it's worth it. At what other time in your life do you get to play GOD? Infinite possibilities.

And you can tell if you're really lucid or not because you'll just feel different, you'll be conscious of your surroundings and your situation. I have a little code I go by whenever I become lucid to make sure I stay that way.

CCF

Calm - Regulate your breathing and your emotions, being panicked or too emotional can de-stabilize the dream and cause you to wake up.

Control - Try to do something really basic, make an object levitate, make fire appear in your hands. If one doesn't work, try another, think of the action happening before you try it.

Focus - Take in your surroundings, turn around in a slow circle and take everything in. If you had any goals, think about what they are and persue them. If you didn't, think of what you want to do, and focus on it. If you lose focus, you may drift out of lucidity.

It's harder than you think.
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Post by: Martinerrr on January 21, 2012, 07:17:27 AM
Depends on how you define a nightmare. From my own experience, I have had dreams about monsters, being chased, being in dark and creepy places, but with the knowledge that nothing which I am seeing can harm me I'm generally calm about it. I've heard some people can feel pain in lucid dreams, but this is not the case for me; I've jumped off cliffs, planes, skyscrapers and been stabbed, shot and eaten in my dreams without feeling any pain.
"Demons are sneaky evil entities which signify repressed emotions. You may secretly feel the need to change your own behaviors for the better."
"Falling is a common dream symbol that relates to our anxieties about letting go, losing control over a situation, or somehow failing after a success."
"Being chased is one of the most common dream symbols in all cultures. It means you are feeling threatened, so reflect on who is chasing you (they may also be symbolic) and why they are a possible threat in real life."

http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/30-common-dream-symbols.html
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Post by: autism on January 21, 2012, 09:24:29 AM
I tried that WILD method. Didnt work out as i wanted. After 3 tries i was sorta control what i was dreaming about and i was able to remember parts of my dream. Very nice dream. It was summer again, i was taking out my new jetski for the first time.. Sad that i wasnt able to feel or hear anything.


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Post by: Adrian ?NoRagrets on January 21, 2012, 10:30:27 AM
Depends on how you define a nightmare. From my own experience, I have had dreams about monsters, being chased, being in dark and creepy places, but with the knowledge that nothing which I am seeing can harm me I'm generally calm about it. I've heard some people can feel pain in lucid dreams, but this is not the case for me; I've jumped off cliffs, planes, skyscrapers and been stabbed, shot and eaten in my dreams without feeling any pain.
"Demons are sneaky evil entities which signify repressed emotions. You may secretly feel the need to change your own behaviors for the better."
"Falling is a common dream symbol that relates to our anxieties about letting go, losing control over a situation, or somehow failing after a success."
"Being chased is one of the most common dream symbols in all cultures. It means you are feeling threatened, so reflect on who is chasing you (they may also be symbolic) and why they are a possible threat in real life."

http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/30-common-dream-symbols.html

I don't believe religiously in dream interpretation, there's no science to back it up. Even though there might be some truth to it, I live a life of quite high quality (emotionally, mentally and physically) and I doubt that these "signs" can be applied to me.
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Post by: Rictalspace on January 21, 2012, 11:09:04 AM
I've experienced the falling sensation quite a few times now. But now I understand what that is. Very tempting to try it out..
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Post by: Martinerrr on January 21, 2012, 06:35:16 PM
Depends on how you define a nightmare. From my own experience, I have had dreams about monsters, being chased, being in dark and creepy places, but with the knowledge that nothing which I am seeing can harm me I'm generally calm about it. I've heard some people can feel pain in lucid dreams, but this is not the case for me; I've jumped off cliffs, planes, skyscrapers and been stabbed, shot and eaten in my dreams without feeling any pain.
"Demons are sneaky evil entities which signify repressed emotions. You may secretly feel the need to change your own behaviors for the better."
"Falling is a common dream symbol that relates to our anxieties about letting go, losing control over a situation, or somehow failing after a success."
"Being chased is one of the most common dream symbols in all cultures. It means you are feeling threatened, so reflect on who is chasing you (they may also be symbolic) and why they are a possible threat in real life."

http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/30-common-dream-symbols.html

I don't believe religiously in dream interpretation, there's no science to back it up. Even though there might be some truth to it, I live a life of quite high quality (emotionally, mentally and physically) and I doubt that these "signs" can be applied to me.
You do know that everything you don't create/think of are made by your self-subconcious mind?
These feelings, I just posted, are what therapists also use when people tell their dreams. - But nether the less, it could be false.
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Post by: Penguin on January 21, 2012, 08:31:19 PM
I had two dreams last night the furst I do not remember at all I just remember having a dream, the second one I was driving a van at church and it almost flipped.
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Post by: Martinerrr on January 21, 2012, 09:29:23 PM
I had two dreams last night the furst I do not remember at all I just remember having a dream, the second one I was driving a van at church and it almost flipped.
I had woken up twice last night. - Don't remember it then went back to sleep, the last dream was really short. I scared when I saw that I was dreaming, as I looked at my hand. Then I woke up.. Fuck.
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Post by: Penguin on January 21, 2012, 10:38:26 PM
I need to get my habits down to check if I am dreaming, It seemed the first I did not remember but the second I did.
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Post by: Adrian ?NoRagrets on January 22, 2012, 03:48:18 AM
Depends on how you define a nightmare. From my own experience, I have had dreams about monsters, being chased, being in dark and creepy places, but with the knowledge that nothing which I am seeing can harm me I'm generally calm about it. I've heard some people can feel pain in lucid dreams, but this is not the case for me; I've jumped off cliffs, planes, skyscrapers and been stabbed, shot and eaten in my dreams without feeling any pain.
"Demons are sneaky evil entities which signify repressed emotions. You may secretly feel the need to change your own behaviors for the better."
"Falling is a common dream symbol that relates to our anxieties about letting go, losing control over a situation, or somehow failing after a success."
"Being chased is one of the most common dream symbols in all cultures. It means you are feeling threatened, so reflect on who is chasing you (they may also be symbolic) and why they are a possible threat in real life."

http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/30-common-dream-symbols.html

I don't believe religiously in dream interpretation, there's no science to back it up. Even though there might be some truth to it, I live a life of quite high quality (emotionally, mentally and physically) and I doubt that these "signs" can be applied to me.
You do know that everything you don't create/think of are made by your self-subconcious mind?
These feelings, I just posted, are what therapists also use when people tell their dreams. - But nether the less, it could be false.

I can agree there is some truth to dream interpretation, but all I'm saying is that there must be more than one reason in the world to dream about monsters.
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Post by: Statua on January 22, 2012, 07:12:35 AM
If you're having troubles remembering a dream, do what I do. Take a notepad and pen and put the two beside your bed. Then every time you have JUST wolen up after a dream, write down some key points of it. Review it later when you get out of bed to ensure you keep the memory.
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Post by: autism on January 22, 2012, 10:37:39 AM
Pfff i cant get the WILD method to work. I keep trying to stay concious and meditate or whatever but i keep going right to sleep.
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Post by: Martinerrr on January 22, 2012, 10:51:13 AM
If you're having troubles remembering a dream, do what I do. Take a notepad and pen and put the two beside your bed. Then every time you have JUST wolen up after a dream, write down some key points of it. Review it later when you get out of bed to ensure you keep the memory.
I honestly don't remember anything.(last night) - Not even the slightest. All I remember is seeing my bed and pillow, and waking up on them.
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Post by: autism on January 22, 2012, 10:59:53 AM
If you're having troubles remembering a dream, do what I do. Take a notepad and pen and put the two beside your bed. Then every time you have JUST wolen up after a dream, write down some key points of it. Review it later when you get out of bed to ensure you keep the memory.
I honestly don't remember anything.(last night) - Not even the slightest. All I remember is seeing my bed and pillow, and waking up on them.

I thought i read somewhere (maybe it was here but too lazy to go back) that when you wake up, dont open your eyes and to get up as slowly as possible and itll help you with remembering.


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Post by: Martinerrr on January 22, 2012, 11:01:00 AM
If you're having troubles remembering a dream, do what I do. Take a notepad and pen and put the two beside your bed. Then every time you have JUST wolen up after a dream, write down some key points of it. Review it later when you get out of bed to ensure you keep the memory.
I honestly don't remember anything.(last night) - Not even the slightest. All I remember is seeing my bed and pillow, and waking up on them.

I thought i read somewhere (maybe it was here but too lazy to go back) that when you wake up, dont open your eyes and to get up as slowly as possible and itll help you with remembering.
Definitely didn't read that here. - I'll try it.
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Post by: Penguin on January 24, 2012, 04:12:52 PM
I think what Niggly Wiggly said is right, I dont remember at first but I do after a few minutes of sitting there.
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Post by: Kaiser Wilhelm I ?DetroitRP on February 03, 2012, 03:52:09 PM
I did a lucid dream when I was 10 ish. It was the WILD one. I was being chased by some monster and I was running. I tried yelling but only my mouth was moving and no yelling. Freaking scary
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Post by: voidicus on February 11, 2012, 07:00:45 PM
I kept a pretty decently kept dream journal of anything interesting on my old computer, but ended up losing it.

It was kind of interesting to do.
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Post by: psycho on February 11, 2012, 07:06:52 PM
I had a lucid dream once and I was in school and I was like "oh shit I'm having one of them lucid dreams" so I fucked a girl
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Post by: Penguin on February 11, 2012, 10:03:30 PM
I had a lucid dream once and I was in school and I was like "oh shit I'm having one of them lucid dreams" so I fucked a girl
Cool story, too bad that is what half the people who practice lucid dreaming are in it for.
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Post by: Martinerrr on February 13, 2012, 03:42:20 PM
I had a lucid dream once and I was in school and I was like "oh shit I'm having one of them lucid dreams" so I fucked a girl
Cool story, too bad that is what half the people who practice lucid dreaming are in it for.
It's kind of sad, maybe exciting because you feel what you think, but I try to Lucid Dream to discover things about myself.
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