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General => Suggestions => Topic started by: |IDG:O| Aycardus on January 25, 2013, 09:26:20 PM
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A lot of Garry's Mod servers have an "Apply for Administrator" section on their forums. I know Waffle said he needs some admins for HRP, so why not try and make a section for "Apply for Administrator" and see what happens. I really want HRP to get cleaned up. It's gotten increasingly worse over the past few months due to the increase of morons. There's a few active, rule abiding players on HRP that will probably say the same thing. So, why not? I'd say try it out.
Maybe ask for Administrator experience in the application and what not. I don't know, just an idea.
-Aycardus
Neal Akerman, HRP
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A lot of Garry's Mod servers have an "Apply for Administrator"...
i will speak on behalf of everyone
no
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It's not like you apply for admin and instantly get the rank. I mean, how I would do it, someone posts their application, then administrators and some players post their opinions on why you should or should not get administrator.
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It's not like you apply for admin and instantly get the rank. I mean, how I would do it, someone posts their application, then administrators and some players post their opinions on why you should or should not get administrator.
or we stay to how it is done atm because unfortunately there are too many kids who play hrp and 90% of hrp is incapable of holding and correctly doing the job of admin. admins and owners will spot the odd people who stand out from others and that could be a decent admin
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Yes, there are a lot of kids on HRP, but that 90% is probably not registered on the forums. Therefore, they won't see the "Apply for Administrator" section, and won't waste current administrators time by creating their applications. The problem with the current way Catalyst gains Admins, is it takes months to even become an Administrator. I'm just saying we need HRP admins. Maybe when they apply and get the majority vote "Yes", they can have some kind of Trial Admin or whatever with limited permissions. That way they can see how they handle certain situations.
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Yes, there are a lot of kids on HRP, but that 90% is probably not registered on the forums. Therefore, they won't see the "Apply for Administrator" section, and won't waste current administrators time by creating their applications. The problem with the current way Catalyst gains Admins, is it takes months to even become an Administrator. I'm just saying we need HRP admins. Maybe when they apply and get the majority vote "Yes", they can have some kind of Trial Admin or whatever with limited permissions. That way they can see how they handle certain situations.
That is not a problem in my view.
In my view, you aren't supposed to 'hunger' for the administrator rank and try to speed it up. That just makes it worse for your own case.
If a player is 'hungry' after the rank of administrator, he's most likely not getting it. And actually, all players joining our servers automatically creates an account on our forum when they join the server for the first time.
Next one. No, maybe they aren't that 'active' as many others, but there will be some, who checks out the forum just like the rest. I've yet to see a single server not having a problem with admins who made an application for it.
Admin applications shows how much the person actually hungers for the rank. The reason I hope we don't have them, is that it's for the better of our own servers. A person making an 'admin application' is easy to corrupt, doesn't care much and is ignorant.
I bet that these admins would make considerable huge fuck ups. Instead of helping the servers, they would help themself. Like, who dares stay up towards an admin, able to ban you for ## amount of time because of this and this? Do you dare raid an admin, where he / she then stops you and tells you you're wrong, even though you're correct? Some does, some doesn't.
Admins like these would also treat their friends better than the rest on the server. Why? They would hold their points in discussions. Raids, always nice to have a judging admin on your team, right?
Some players might be 'decent' enough to actually take the role. Until they find out how much shit there's going on, during the huge population and you're the single admin. I doubt many are capable of having 5+ reports on your spine and when people finds out you aren't doing their report but another, they claim you to be fucking, shit admin who can't figure out shit. Really, that is how people react.
I've tried with another admin, where we both came on to enjoy the game. What happened was; We were bombarded with reports every single minute and if we didn't respond, we were bitched at and claimed incapable of the administrator rank. That really destroys your mood and then you're capable of making huge fuckups.
So yeah, admin applications? There can only come the greater DOOM out of it.
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Simple answer for this is for the the current administration to start a thread on there forums posting who they think would make a decent admin.
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Simple answer for this is for the the current administration to start a thread on there forums posting who they think would make a decent admin.
Already exists.
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@Challenge: Very valid points, appreciate the feedback.
@Hogs: I'm not asking for the administrator rank, I would just like to see more admins on Harbor Roleplay, and for HRP to get cleaned up a little. There's so many rule breakers running around. I would record, submit ban requests and what not, but my computer sucks and I would barely be able to get a frame per second.
Waffle said earlier today about needing more administrators for HRP, so I thought I would try and come up with an idea to help him. In the end, this won't work out too well.
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@Hogs: I'm not asking for the administrator rank, I would just like to see more admins on Harbor Roleplay, and for HRP to get cleaned up a little. There's so many rule breakers running around. I would record, submit ban requests and what not, but my computer sucks and I would barely be able to get a frame per second.
recording demos doesn't change fps too much as far as i know
just record the demos and attach it to the ban request or upload it to filesmelt lol
i do that and it's much easier than uploading a whole video
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@Hogs: I'm not asking for the administrator rank, I would just like to see more admins on Harbor Roleplay, and for HRP to get cleaned up a little. There's so many rule breakers running around. I would record, submit ban requests and what not, but my computer sucks and I would barely be able to get a frame per second.
recording demos doesn't change fps too much as far as i know
just record the demos and attach it to the ban request or upload it to filesmelt lol
i do that and it's much easier than uploading a whole video
ye but some silly admins seem to think you can get viruses in demo files and refuse to take it as evidence or are just too lazy to look because it puts the effort they have to make up by a notch
and im fairly certain the fps drop from recording a .dem file is non-existant
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@Hogs: I'm not asking for the administrator rank, I would just like to see more admins on Harbor Roleplay, and for HRP to get cleaned up a little. There's so many rule breakers running around. I would record, submit ban requests and what not, but my computer sucks and I would barely be able to get a frame per second.
recording demos doesn't change fps too much as far as i know
just record the demos and attach it to the ban request or upload it to filesmelt lol
i do that and it's much easier than uploading a whole video
ye but some silly admins seem to think you can get viruses in demo files and refuse to take it as evidence or are just too lazy to look because it puts the effort they have to make up by a notch
and im fairly certain the fps drop from recording a .dem file is non-existant
how you can hide a virus in a demo file and how it's so hard as to scan a file before you open it is beyond me
and yeah recording .dem has no fps drop only in the first second when it's initializing
by the way if you don't know how to record demos let it be known that you type into console 'record <writeafilename>' and that you can find it in
steamapps\username\garrysmod\garrysmod
if you can't find it in there (will be in a .dem file format obviously) it'll be in \demos
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@Hogs: I'm not asking for the administrator rank, I would just like to see more admins on Harbor Roleplay, and for HRP to get cleaned up a little. There's so many rule breakers running around. I would record, submit ban requests and what not, but my computer sucks and I would barely be able to get a frame per second.
recording demos doesn't change fps too much as far as i know
just record the demos and attach it to the ban request or upload it to filesmelt lol
i do that and it's much easier than uploading a whole video
ye but some silly admins seem to think you can get viruses in demo files and refuse to take it as evidence or are just too lazy to look because it puts the effort they have to make up by a notch
and im fairly certain the fps drop from recording a .dem file is non-existent
It's existent. It is truly random, some people have this issue, some people are fine. Anyway, the answer is not telling the players to record and post ban requests because it is time consuming, you get one guy banned and another one replaces him. The answer is simply updating your HRP admins frequently. HRP gets boring after awhile and a lot of current admin's get bored of playing so they are less active.
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@Hogs: I'm not asking for the administrator rank, I would just like to see more admins on Harbor Roleplay, and for HRP to get cleaned up a little. There's so many rule breakers running around. I would record, submit ban requests and what not, but my computer sucks and I would barely be able to get a frame per second.
recording demos doesn't change fps too much as far as i know
just record the demos and attach it to the ban request or upload it to filesmelt lol
i do that and it's much easier than uploading a whole video
ye but some silly admins seem to think you can get viruses in demo files and refuse to take it as evidence or are just too lazy to look because it puts the effort they have to make up by a notch
and im fairly certain the fps drop from recording a .dem file is non-existent
It's existent. It is truly random, some people have this issue, some people are fine. Anyway, the answer is not telling the players to record and post ban requests because it is time consuming, you get one guy banned and another one replaces him. The answer is simply updating your HRP admins frequently. HRP gets boring after awhile and a lot of current admin's get bored of playing so they are less active.
just because you might be too lazy to type record into console and upload a file to a website doesn't mean there should be more administrators
it's not the administrators fault for not wanting to play a server they're being asked to join every day because 'he is being mean xD'
if you really have a problem with there being a lack of administrators maybe you should show some initiative and record the offenders and report them
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we had admin applications once before, a really long time ago mind you, but we have used them in the past. I can tell you now that admin apps won't be coming back soon, and probably never will. the way we find our admins can sometimes take long, but that's because we know for sure we're finding the right people. sometimes we're wrong about people, yes, but at least we don't have every new member coming in and typing up an application that is extremely horrible and forcing us to have to deal with the massive amount of applications coming in, on top of what already has to be done every day.
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Problem with applications is only like 1 in 50 of them would even be worth the time of reading. So many people join each day and the first thing most of these people will do is post a horribly written application and then cry when it gets denied.
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If more HRP admins are needed that badly why not just switch everyone back to global so at least all of us have the ability to administrate HRP when needed? Personally, I used to get on often enough to purely administrate when HL2RP was down, until half of the team was filtered down into the servers we play on most, preventing mine, and many other's abilities to do so. I'm sure I'm not the only admin that doesn't/didn't mind administrating more than one server.
maybe because some admins have no idea
a.) what the rules of the specific server are
b.) how to play the game
how is somebody with no experience of the game going to be able to administrate
but global admins would be nice if they all had actual experience with the said gamemode
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If more HRP admins are needed that badly why not just switch everyone back to global so at least all of us have the ability to administrate HRP when needed? Personally, I used to get on often enough to purely administrate when HL2RP was down, until half of the team was filtered down into the servers we play on most, preventing mine, and many other's abilities to do so. I'm sure I'm not the only admin that doesn't/didn't mind administrating more than one server.
maybe because some admins have no idea
a.) what the rules of the specific server are
b.) how to play the game
how is somebody with no experience of the game going to be able to administrate
but global admins would be nice if they all had actual experience with the said gamemode
you gain experience by actually doing the job. when i became admin here again i had forgotten a lot of shit relating to rules in hrp, i just had to re-educate myself and now its easy again.
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If more HRP admins are needed that badly why not just switch everyone back to global so at least all of us have the ability to administrate HRP when needed? Personally, I used to get on often enough to purely administrate when HL2RP was down, until half of the team was filtered down into the servers we play on most, preventing mine, and many other's abilities to do so. I'm sure I'm not the only admin that doesn't/didn't mind administrating more than one server.
I suggested this to Kronic and Rofl in the server today, and I was told that it would not work. I cannot perfectly remember the reasons, so instead of recalling to the best of my memory and embarrassing myself, I'll let them explain.
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If more HRP admins are needed that badly why not just switch everyone back to global so at least all of us have the ability to administrate HRP when needed? Personally, I used to get on often enough to purely administrate when HL2RP was down, until half of the team was filtered down into the servers we play on most, preventing mine, and many other's abilities to do so. I'm sure I'm not the only admin that doesn't/didn't mind administrating more than one server.
maybe because some admins have no idea
a.) what the rules of the specific server are
b.) how to play the game
how is somebody with no experience of the game going to be able to administrate
but global admins would be nice if they all had actual experience with the said gamemode
you gain experience by actually doing the job. when i became admin here again i had forgotten a lot of shit relating to rules in hrp, i just had to re-educate myself and now its easy again.
Basically this. I can't speak for anyone else, but I used to play HRP, OCRP and HL2RP regularly and have experience in administrating all three servers and I know I'm not the only one. I haven't played HRP since just before the latest major update with the fruit trees, but the rules are essentially the same. It doesn't matter much though, because I currently can't administrate HRP or OCRP being a HL2RP administrator. But the point is, its not that difficult, especially if you have previous experience and a few of us do but can't because we're restricted to only administrating certain servers. That's certainly not a problem and its a lot less stress and work off of most of us, but as I said, if HRP admins are needed that badly this could be an option.
I don't want to ruin your dream here or something, but just look at the current 'global' admins who are admin on both OCRP/HRP and on HL2RP. It doesn't work out as greatly as you hope for. You can't force activity on BOTH servers along with your whole entire life outside of this community. Just look at the recent activity threads in our mysteriously hidden treasure admin boards. ;) Those who have admin on both servers say they either can't get active on HRP because they are ooooh so busy on HL2RP, or they say they get active but they never will anyways.
I am one of those people: I have admin on all servers, yet my bigger activity is at HRP. Because HL2RP is 1: Inactive as shit. (Because I don't play OL), and 2: I'm to busy with HRP.
Anyways, jumping to the main subject of this thread:
Do you want to know the reason why we lack admins on HRP? It's actually quite simple: It lacks responsible players.
A derpy written application doesn't prove much of how someone acts on a server, and I've already said this before in the other 10 threads that were exactly like this one.
The problem isn't within our system, but within the players. Our system works perfectly fine. Admins look after players. -> Admins see a responsible AND HELPFUL player. -> Admin suggests player to have a chance.
So where do you think the problem is at? Exactly: That there are 0.000% responsible AND HELPFUL players.
So why did you think I used caps there at "and helpful" twice? Well that's just the whole point. Players think they can have a chance at admin just because they play on the server and know the rules. But what they miss is this tiny detail: THEY ARE NOT HELPFUL. I never see anyone helping each other out if they are in trouble. It's always: "Pffff who the fuck cares about that guy? Let the admin deal with him! ADMIN ADMIN ADMIN ADMIN ADMIN TO ME NOW OMG ADMIN ROOOLLLBREAAKKZZZ OMG ADMIN ADMIN"
Seriously, I can't even remember the last time where I saw a regular player trying to solve a problem between other two players. That's how long ago it was.
So guess what? Do you want admin? Yes?
WWRROOONNGGG. You don't want admin. You want to HELP PLAYERS. Start working for it. Only then I might just consider to suggest you as a new admin.
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I kinda agree with the statements given in this thread but I think that we gotta remember that with less administration more community breakers see their chance of ruining it for others who try to be responsible, and therefore the community itself very easily tends to turn into this "I don't care about others, because I will probably get killed anyways" type of reaction when people ask for help. Its like building a triangle of cards but then after you made half of the triangle somebody comes and blow them all off, leaving you with this annoying feeling, and it will also in this case most likely leave you with the expression of "I don't care..." next time somebody asks for help. What I do agree on is that the community itself is also required to take action when they see somebody ruining the game, take ur time to fraps it and actually do these ban requests, to outsend the image to these immature kids, that if they do something stupid, well they will know. Not only this but we will also have to respect the administrators, as Nicknero stated above people for some reason has to act very rude against admins if they don't reply within a very short amount of time on a report, and its just like starting a key reaction to something bad and most of the time discussions actually start in the OOC chat, wheter or not the responsible admin is worth his rank or not. All in all I think the community should keep hiring admins the way they do, by picking out people. Its way more stable and the outcome will always be better.
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Yeah, so applications won't be happening anytime soon at the least. We'll try to be faster with finding admins, but we're going to keep doing it the way we have in the past.