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Half-Life 2 Roleplay => Topic started by: TheKrusader on October 17, 2011, 07:55:29 PM
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It has got to stop. I'm livid due to the ignorance that this community contains. Everyone who attempts rebelRP is instantly labeled as 'lolwebulz', without a chance to show their RP capabilities. This is seriously such a fucking ignorant title, and simply rude. I've seen some of these supposed 'lolwebuls' RP. It's better than that of those of you that are labeling them as this crude title.
Now, some of you may be thinking 'How is this ignorant? I don't get it.'. And to you I say: Do you honestly think the only form of RP that citizens should have is loyalist RP? Certainly not, because that just makes absolutely no sense. There's bound to be rebels, or those who stand against the oppression of the Combine/CCA.
On another note, today I saw someone's justification for calling a group 'lolwebulz' as 'They spread propaganda.' To this I say: It makes complete fucking sense to spread propaganda. Why would they not want to get their name out there? Just because there's propaganda about their group does not mean that they are not secretive.
Speaking of secretive. I was on my unit today, went into the /viewobjectives and saw that the CCA supposedly knows how the Red Union do not speak eachothers' real name. I demand proof, the only explanation I see is Metagaming. I know for a fact that no Red Union persons have been caught, interrogated. Of course this is not an accusation, there could possibly be an IC misunderstanding: units taking in citizens thinking that they are Red Union members.
Now, to wrap this all up: NOT ALL REBEL RP ARE 'LOLWEBULS' And I do not like seeing some of you, with less than average RP skills, labeling it as such.
Sincerely,
The Krusader
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Accidentally quoted it.
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No, let me wrap this up: YOU DON'T SPREAD PROPAGANDA FUCKING EVERYWHERE PUBLICLY.
You spread it fucking everywhere, even where CPs can see, stop it, seriously. Just because you where allowed to burn down the CWU doesn't mean that your automatically not Lolwebels.
Sincerely
OfC.620.
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No, let me wrap this up: YOU DON'T SPREAD PROPAGANDA FUCKING EVERYWHERE PUBLICLY.
You spread it fucking everywhere, even where CPs can see, stop it, seriously. Just because you where allowed to burn down the CWU doesn't mean that your automatically not Lolwebels.
Sincerely
OfC.620.
Okay then, Don. Give me a definition of 'lolwebuls'. Because obviously we do not have the same idea as one another. After that, justify your reason for labeling us as such.
On the other hand, yes. We have a lot of propaganda. But do the CCA even have a hint of where Red Union is? Or who the members are? I think not.
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No, let me wrap this up: YOU DON'T SPREAD PROPAGANDA FUCKING EVERYWHERE PUBLICLY.
You spread it fucking everywhere, even where CPs can see, stop it, seriously. Just because you where allowed to burn down the CWU doesn't mean that your automatically not Lolwebels.
Sincerely
OfC.620.
Okay then, Don. Give me a definition of 'lolwebuls'. Because obviously we do not have the same idea as one another. After that, justify your reason for labeling us as such.
On the other hand, yes. We have a lot of propaganda. But do the CCA even have a hint of where Red Union is? Or who the members are? I think not.
Lolwebels = People who aren't secretive, people who don't act like actual rebels, that they wouldn't go spreading the word about them everywhere, we've destroyed at least 10 pieces of your propaganda already, it's getting old, fucking stop.
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No, let me wrap this up: YOU DON'T SPREAD PROPAGANDA FUCKING EVERYWHERE PUBLICLY.
You spread it fucking everywhere, even where CPs can see, stop it, seriously. Just because you where allowed to burn down the CWU doesn't mean that your automatically not Lolwebels.
Sincerely
OfC.620.
Okay then, Don. Give me a definition of 'lolwebuls'. Because obviously we do not have the same idea as one another. After that, justify your reason for labeling us as such.
On the other hand, yes. We have a lot of propaganda. But do the CCA even have a hint of where Red Union is? Or who the members are? I think not.
Lolwebels = People who aren't secretive, people who don't act like actual rebels, that they wouldn't go spreading the word about them everywhere, we've destroyed at least 10 pieces of your propaganda already, it's getting old, fucking stop.
This topic isn't dedicated to not calling Red Union 'Lolwebuls', It's about all RebelRP. And what isn't secretive about us? We have not been located, caught, or even identity knowledge.
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If I may say, there's atleast 100 pages of propaganda posted. We certainly keep busy. Also talking about Resistance must be secretive, we aren't so much a resistance, more of a collective with the purpose to create a new Earth, in our own image. We are a radical group of super-reactionaries, touch of terrorism, touch of slaver etc.
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Greetings Executor!
No, let me wrap this up: YOU DON'T SPREAD PROPAGANDA FUCKING EVERYWHERE PUBLICLY.
You spread it fucking everywhere, even where CPs can see, stop it, seriously. Just because you where allowed to burn down the CWU doesn't mean that your automatically not Lolwebels.
Sincerely
OfC.620.
Okay then, Don. Give me a definition of 'lolwebuls'. Because obviously we do not have the same idea as one another. After that, justify your reason for labeling us as such.
On the other hand, yes. We have a lot of propaganda. But do the CCA even have a hint of where Red Union is? Or who the members are? I think not.
Lolwebels = People who aren't secretive, people who don't act like actual rebels, that they wouldn't go spreading the word about them everywhere, we've destroyed at least 10 pieces of your propaganda already, it's getting old, fucking stop.
This topic isn't dedicated to not calling Red Union 'Lolwebuls', It's about all RebelRP. And what isn't secretive about us? We have not been located, caught, or even identity knowledge.
So many quotes, very little space.
Anyways, this interests me greatly as I keep hearing about, "lolwebulz" all the time but I don't think that a common definition of them has been established. What are, "lolwebulz" exactly? You need a common ground to stand on if you want to debate about them, in my opinion.
I agree with Don Captain about spreading propaganda everywhere publicly. Based on what has been stated in this thread, I conclude that no rebels have been caught or at least no information about the Red Union's members has been leaked to the CCA. Even though the rebels have been secretive when they put up their propaganda, they shouldn't simply stick it up where all the CCA is going to see it. Truthfully, the rebels should be a bit scared that a Loyalist or a CCA member will see them and report them.
However, The Krusader makes a valid point that they have not been caught or information about their wherabouts has not been squeezed by captured members. Also, they should not be classified as, "lolwebulz" because they might not be entirely secretive, but they do act like rebels by the simple knowledge that A. they have not been caught and B. that no instance, an actual instance, of being an, "lolwebul" has been posted in this thread.
To speak of other things; we're getting off topic here. This is to discuss, "lolwebulz" not CCA metagaming or how the Red Union advertises itself. I believe that the first step to debating this issue is to establish an, "lolwebulz" moment using an actual instance from the server. Only then can you actually get this spot on, as I say. Either establish what an, "lolwebul" is or establish what real rebels should act like. Then you can see what people do wrong and classify that as being an, "lolwebul."
As to my opinion, and I am not a rebel of any sort nor am I a member of the CCA, an, "lolwebul" is someone who simply believe that rebels are the best of the best and are able to be Gordon Freeman. They display very violent acts in public-an instance I had witnessed involved a black Asian man forcing me to join an organization which opposed the Combine-with no regard to the repercussions of their acts. "Lolwebulz" do not fear RP very well, in my eyes, and do infact see their character as just a save file in a videogame. They do not see characters as actual people who would not want to risk their lives by attacking members of the CCA in public without a set plan. "Lolwebulz" are often not very secretive and are caught easily by members of the CCA. "Lolwebulz" to me are minges for the most part, as rebels would RP well.
That is my two cents on this issue. Please feel free to return it at any time.
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Every character is not alike another. Every character is bound to differentiate from one another.
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When I think of "Lolwebulz" (I dont use that term) I think of the news(maybe minges) who feel like as soon as they join a server they need to start up a resistance and get guns and weapons. I don't really know anything about "Red union" but when I see random citizens who are supposed to be malnourished and a bit afraid of the CCA, walking up to the SeC and throwing a rock at him, it's a bit ridiculous.
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This is bullshit though. For example, People with vests are called lolwebels too and yet if they have earned that vest then they are probably ten times better a rper than you, So also i have never really seen propaganda apart from in D6 area which is where most rebels hide anyway, If thats the way they want to rp let them. But i agree a bit sometimes people just mingerun and stuff not to be pked, But that is the one persons problem not the whole organisation.
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Greetings Executor!
This is bullshit though. For example, People with vests are called lolwebels too and yet if they have earned that vest then they are probably ten times better a rper than you, So also i have never really seen propaganda apart from in D6 area which is where most rebels hide anyway, If thats the way they want to rp let them. But i agree a bit sometimes people just mingerun and stuff not to be pked, But that is the one persons problem not the whole organisation.
I'll have to disagree. I've seen Red Union propaganda inside the Apartments many a time. Inside the trainstation, I have seen propaganda too.
The only thing that bugs me about it is that they are physics gun frozen into walls so I can't throw them outside or give them to a member of the CCA. Especially when the propaganda is outside my door, it makes me look suspicious if a CCA member were to see that.
But yes, of course some rebels can RP very well and people mistake them for, "lolwebulz" for a number of reasons. None of which I can name, but they have to have a reason don't they?
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This is bullshit though. For example, People with vests are called lolwebels too and yet if they have earned that vest then they are probably ten times better a rper than you, So also i have never really seen propaganda apart from in D6 area which is where most rebels hide anyway, If thats the way they want to rp let them. But i agree a bit sometimes people just mingerun and stuff not to be pked, But that is the one persons problem not the whole organisation.
If you know you're not a minge, then don't let it bother you so much.
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This is bullshit though. For example, People with vests are called lolwebels too and yet if they have earned that vest then they are probably ten times better a rper than you, So also i have never really seen propaganda apart from in D6 area which is where most rebels hide anyway, If thats the way they want to rp let them. But i agree a bit sometimes people just mingerun and stuff not to be pked, But that is the one persons problem not the whole organisation.
I'm going to say this once and once only. No one should have a vest in the city, no matter who they are, admin or just a general player. Why? Because it breaches all forms of canon, it's retarded beyond all levels of comprehention and simply because no one I've seen RP is deserving of it yet. (Only a selected few administrators, old fags and people I've known from the past are an exception) In plain terms, to obtain a vest you need to kill a civil protection unit and to do so you would alert every god damn unit in the city your location (In which there are over 100+ units ICly in the city at once PATROLING. That is not even a quater of how many units are in the nexus.) if you magically survive that (Power game) you are stuck with a rotting corpse in which you have to lug around an entire city to be able to obtain only parts to make the vest. After that you are required more materials, which I'm not going to discuss on here.
Carrying on with another matter is that people see themselves as "Rebels" when they post shit spawned letters around the entire city about non-sence and most of the time it doesn't have anything to do with anything. And as Don has said, I've seen people posting bull shit in the plaza, also of which is at the front door of the nexus. Now you either have to be clinicly retarded to do so, or you simply have no understanding of IC circumstances. Now I'm sorry if I'm being a bit harsh in what I'm saying but it's true, no matter how skillful you think you are, either A, you are not ready for any form of resistance RP or B, you are obviously misinformed. At my previous communitys, acheiving the postion in resistance required several months of RP on the server and forums before you could even be apart of any organised acitivity they do. And then you are still required to acheive months of RP to gain your vest, in which most do not even get the chance to obtain one.
If the resistance was ran like this when or if it's formed and wasen't lead by a retard, maybe just maybe it might be sucessful. However the chances of a retard being in charge of it is high, and I coulden't say any different about the members. I've heard several things about previous resistance activitys and all are horribly bad. People seem to for some reason think that there is a rank structure in the resistance, but I don't know where that idea conceaved from. So I can certainlly tell you there is nothing of the sort, the only form of leadership or rank in the resistance is leader figures. In which gain peoples respect from previous experiances etc, thus gaining the ability to somewhat control the doings of the resistance.
(Fucking PS3, I've wrote atleast 10 pages of shit now and it's deleted them every time.... Screw it, I'll do it on the computer when I get on. This rant is not over :D.)
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This is bullshit though. For example, People with vests are called lolwebels too and yet if they have earned that vest then they are probably ten times better a rper than you, So also i have never really seen propaganda apart from in D6 area which is where most rebels hide anyway, If thats the way they want to rp let them. But i agree a bit sometimes people just mingerun and stuff not to be pked, But that is the one persons problem not the whole organisation.
I'm going to say this once and once only. No one should have a vest in the city, no matter who they are, admin or just a general player. Why? Because it breaches all forms of canon, it's retarded beyond all levels of comprehention and simply because no one I've seen RP is deserving of it yet. (Only a selected few administrators, old fags and people I've known from the past are an exception) In plain terms, to obtain a vest you need to kill a civil protection unit and to do so you would alert every god damn unit in the city your location (In which there are over 100+ units ICly in the city at once PATROLING. That is not even a quater of how many units are in the nexus.) if you magically survive that (Power game) you are stuck with a rotting corpse in which you have to lug around an entire city to be able to obtain only parts to make the vest. After that you are required more materials, which I'm not going to discuss on here.
Carrying on with another matter is that people see themselves as "Rebels" when they post shit spawned letters around the entire city about non-sence and most of the time it doesn't have anything to do with anything. And as Don has said, I've seen people posting bull shit in the plaza, also of which is at the front door of the nexus. Now you either have to be clinicly retarded to do so, or you simply have no understanding of IC circumstances. Now I'm sorry if I'm being a bit harsh in what I'm saying but it's true, no matter how skillful you think you are, either A, you are not ready for any form of resistance RP or B, you are obviously misinformed. At my previous communitys, acheiving the postion in resistance required several months of RP on the server and forums before you could even be apart of any organised acitivity they do. And then you are still required to acheive months of RP to gain your vest, in which most do not even get the chance to obtain one.
I don’t see any points in your speech where you said things that weren’t true. However, like all persuasive speeches, you left out the other side’s argument. First off, I see no problem with you saying vests should be near impossible to get, as that is the reality, and vests aren’t necessary for resistance RP. The group I am a member of discussing this issue don’t consider ourselves rebels, but more of a resistance (and if you don’t know the difference then I don’t see a reason to argue with you further). The propaganda we post has a few objectives, first, to set the CCA on edge and maybe undermine them a small amount. Second, gets our name out among the citizens and spreading, hence spreading our influence. Finally, the propaganda also brings out the people we can’t trust and which citizens (lolalists) will go squeeling to the CCA at the first opportunity to maybe get some lolalist points. Also, your point about the 100+ CCA units, well, there are two ways of viewing things. One way if how you put it, the perceived reality of the situation as it would be IC. The second is who is on at what time to determine that stuff. So, I will argue with you in terms of the first way. While yes, there would be many units, also consider there would be many more citizens in the city. This means that as long as you were careful about spreading the propaganda around officers, you would be safe. Citizens who saw you would be able to report you, but there would be many citizens in the city who fit the description of the slight glimpses they would get at you before you swiftly left. This is not the case for us. We have to be even more careful because anyone who sees us on the server can instantly see our details and accurately report us to a unit at any time, where that unit can hunt us based on our physical description. If we are looking at how it would be IC though, the risk seems, while not minor, bearable if you are careful. Also, please examine these papers for meanings before just saying “I've seen people posting bull shit in the plaza.” I hope that I have defended the points concerning what you said that I believed unjust.
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This is bullshit though. For example, People with vests are called lolwebels too and yet if they have earned that vest then they are probably ten times better a rper than you, So also i have never really seen propaganda apart from in D6 area which is where most rebels hide anyway, If thats the way they want to rp let them. But i agree a bit sometimes people just mingerun and stuff not to be pked, But that is the one persons problem not the whole organisation.
I'm going to say this once and once only. No one should have a vest in the city, no matter who they are, admin or just a general player. Why? Because it breaches all forms of canon, it's retarded beyond all levels of comprehention and simply because no one I've seen RP is deserving of it yet. (Only a selected few administrators, old fags and people I've known from the past are an exception) In plain terms, to obtain a vest you need to kill a civil protection unit and to do so you would alert every god damn unit in the city your location (In which there are over 100+ units ICly in the city at once PATROLING. That is not even a quater of how many units are in the nexus.) if you magically survive that (Power game) you are stuck with a rotting corpse in which you have to lug around an entire city to be able to obtain only parts to make the vest. After that you are required more materials, which I'm not going to discuss on here.
Carrying on with another matter is that people see themselves as "Rebels" when they post shit spawned letters around the entire city about non-sence and most of the time it doesn't have anything to do with anything. And as Don has said, I've seen people posting bull shit in the plaza, also of which is at the front door of the nexus. Now you either have to be clinicly retarded to do so, or you simply have no understanding of IC circumstances. Now I'm sorry if I'm being a bit harsh in what I'm saying but it's true, no matter how skillful you think you are, either A, you are not ready for any form of resistance RP or B, you are obviously misinformed. At my previous communitys, acheiving the postion in resistance required several months of RP on the server and forums before you could even be apart of any organised acitivity they do. And then you are still required to acheive months of RP to gain your vest, in which most do not even get the chance to obtain one.
I don’t see any points in your speech where you said things that weren’t true. However, like all persuasive speeches, you left out the other side’s argument. First off, I see no problem with you saying vests should be near impossible to get, as that is the reality, and vests aren’t necessary for resistance RP. The group I am a member of discussing this issue don’t consider ourselves rebels, but more of a resistance (and if you don’t know the difference then I don’t see a reason to argue with you further). The propaganda we post has a few objectives, first, to set the CCA on edge and maybe undermine them a small amount. Second, gets our name out among the citizens and spreading, hence spreading our influence. Finally, the propaganda also brings out the people we can’t trust and which citizens (lolalists) will go squeeling to the CCA at the first opportunity to maybe get some lolalist points. Also, your point about the 100+ CCA units, well, there are two ways of viewing things. One way if how you put it, the perceived reality of the situation as it would be IC. The second is who is on at what time to determine that stuff. So, I will argue with you in terms of the first way. While yes, there would be many units, also consider there would be many more citizens in the city. This means that as long as you were careful about spreading the propaganda around officers, you would be safe. Citizens who saw you would be able to report you, but there would be many citizens in the city who fit the description of the slight glimpses they would get at you before you swiftly left. This is not the case for us. We have to be even more careful because anyone who sees us on the server can instantly see our details and accurately report us to a unit at any time, where that unit can hunt us based on our physical description. If we are looking at how it would be IC though, the risk seems, while not minor, bearable if you are careful. Also, please examine these papers for meanings before just saying “I've seen people posting bull shit in the plaza.” I hope that I have defended the points concerning what you said that I believed unjust.
My rant was mainly focused on "Organised" resistance, people who think they are worthy of vests and random dicks that join the server and start posting shit. I've re-written this about 20 something times now, so excuse my fail if it doesn't make any sence atm. My PS3 is retarded and keeps deleting what I'm saying.
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My rant was mainly focused on "Organised" resistance, people who think they are worthy of vests and random dicks that join the server and start posting shit. I've re-written this about 20 something times now, so excuse my fail if it doesn't make any sence atm. My PS3 is retarded and keeps deleting what I'm saying.
No idea what you're talking about anymore. We've went from 'lolwebulz' to vests. Yes, I agree; vests should be extremely hard to gain ICly, if not impossible. Nonetheless, labeling people as 'lolwebulz' just doesn't go with me. Now, what exactly do you mean by 'Organized'? Because there are some of those resistances that are. I mean organized like, ranks + discipline, jobs, recruitment + propaganda. If your definition differs from mine, then do not bother reading what's in the bold.
So tell me, what part of having set ranks, recruiting, placing propaganda and jobs are mingey? Because to me, it seems like a very legitimate form of rebelRP, and undeserving of the title 'lolwebul'(Not that other people deserve that title as well; JUST STOP USING IT). I will now explain the need for these concepts:
1. Jobs: We all like to be clean, and who else than members to clean our hideout. Cleanliness is a huge deal to some resistances, some it isn't, but I digress.
2.Recruitment: What is a group without its members? As the saying goes: There are strength in numbers.
3.Propaganda: Many reasons lye behind this one, many of which GamingZealot has mentioned. I will not bother re-posting it.
4.Ranks + Discipline: Without members knowing their places, the group itself would be chaos. Thus rendering it useless, and vulnerable.
Now, organization is not only limited to what I've posted, it's just a general outline of what it's about for me. None of which strikes me as 'lolwebul'.
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My rant was mainly focused on "Organised" resistance, people who think they are worthy of vests and random dicks that join the server and start posting shit. I've re-written this about 20 something times now, so excuse my fail if it doesn't make any sence atm. My PS3 is retarded and keeps deleting what I'm saying.
No idea what you're talking about anymore. We've went from 'lolwebulz' to vests. Yes, I agree; vests should be extremely hard to gain ICly, if not impossible. Nonetheless, labeling people as 'lolwebulz' just doesn't go with me. Now, what exactly do you mean by 'Organized'? Because there are some of those resistances that are. I mean organized like, ranks + discipline, jobs, recruitment + propaganda. If your definition differs from mine, then do not bother reading what's in the bold.
So tell me, what part of having set ranks, recruiting, placing propaganda and jobs are mingey? Because to me, it seems like a very legitimate form of rebelRP, and undeserving of the title 'lolwebul'(Not that other people deserve that title as well; JUST STOP USING IT). I will now explain the need for these concepts:
1. Jobs: We all like to be clean, and who else than members to clean our hideout. Cleanliness is a huge deal to some resistances, some it isn't, but I digress.
2.Recruitment: What is a group without its members? As the saying goes: There are strength in numbers.
3.Propaganda: Many reasons lye behind this one, many of which GamingZealot has mentioned. I will not bother re-posting it.
4.Ranks + Discipline: Without members knowing their places, the group itself would be chaos. Thus rendering it useless, and vulnerable.
Now, organization is not only limited to what I've posted, it's just a general outline of what it's about for me. None of which strikes me as 'lolwebul'.
There is no such thing as "Resistances" there is only one, the rest are groups of refugees/citizens whom have banded together forming essentially a gang. With saying that and adding to my original post in which I'm now using a computer. There should really be no resistance in the city, because civil protection rules it with an iron fist. Everything is ICly monitored and there is not one inch of breathing room for anyone. However for RP sake, most communities allow that, but within reason. The main issues with groups such as yours, is that when not governed by an administrator and or trusted members of the community, they seem to recruit new players and give them roles that they think are specialised to the actual resistance.
That is why and where the term "lolwebul" has came from, it's the fact that new players and or players who do not have a solid understanding of resistance attempt to RP in anyway what they think is right, when it's completely wrong. Take for instance, previous community's I have witnessed allowed members to set up an underground network of weapon dealers in the city. They believed themselves to be resistance when in actual fact it was completely fail.
However let's get back to the point which I think you missed completely. The resistance does not have ranks, only leader figures. Your group can have whatever the shit it wants, because you’re not actually the "Resistance" hence why your group should not have vests because that would just be simply retarded. With the proper-gander the reason why I said its mingy is because it's abused. People simply post shit around the plaza because they want to be "Rebels" so there is no character development behind it, such as building the hate for the UU.
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My rant was mainly focused on "Organised" resistance, people who think they are worthy of vests and random dicks that join the server and start posting shit. I've re-written this about 20 something times now, so excuse my fail if it doesn't make any sence atm. My PS3 is retarded and keeps deleting what I'm saying.
No idea what you're talking about anymore. We've went from 'lolwebulz' to vests. Yes, I agree; vests should be extremely hard to gain ICly, if not impossible. Nonetheless, labeling people as 'lolwebulz' just doesn't go with me. Now, what exactly do you mean by 'Organized'? Because there are some of those resistances that are. I mean organized like, ranks + discipline, jobs, recruitment + propaganda. If your definition differs from mine, then do not bother reading what's in the bold.
So tell me, what part of having set ranks, recruiting, placing propaganda and jobs are mingey? Because to me, it seems like a very legitimate form of rebelRP, and undeserving of the title 'lolwebul'(Not that other people deserve that title as well; JUST STOP USING IT). I will now explain the need for these concepts:
1. Jobs: We all like to be clean, and who else than members to clean our hideout. Cleanliness is a huge deal to some resistances, some it isn't, but I digress.
2.Recruitment: What is a group without its members? As the saying goes: There are strength in numbers.
3.Propaganda: Many reasons lye behind this one, many of which GamingZealot has mentioned. I will not bother re-posting it.
4.Ranks + Discipline: Without members knowing their places, the group itself would be chaos. Thus rendering it useless, and vulnerable.
Now, organization is not only limited to what I've posted, it's just a general outline of what it's about for me. None of which strikes me as 'lolwebul'.
There is no such thing as "Resistances" there is only one, the rest are groups of refugees/citizens whom have banded together forming essentially a gang. With saying that and adding to my original post in which I'm now using a computer. There should really be no resistance in the city, because civil protection rules it with an iron fist. Everything is ICly monitored and there is not one inch of breathing room for anyone. However for RP sake, most communities allow that, but within reason. The main issues with groups such as yours, is that when not governed by an administrator and or trusted members of the community, they seem to recruit new players and give them roles that they think are specialised to the actual resistance.
That is why and where the term "lolwebul" has came from, it's the fact that new players and or player who do not have a solid understanding of resistance attempt to RP in anyway what they think is right, when it's completely wrong. Take for instance, previous community's I have witnessed allowed members to set up an underground network of weapon dealers in the city. They believed themselves to be resistance when in actual fact it was completely fail.
However let's get back to the point which I think you missed completely. The resistance does not have ranks, only leader figures. Your group can have whatever the shit it wants, because you’re not actually the "Resistance" hence why your group should not have vests because that would just be simply retarded. With the proper-gander the reason why I said its mingy is because it's abused. People simply post shit around the plaza because they want to be "Rebels" so there is no character development behind it, they join the server and post shit around the plaza to get known or simply to just become of an annoyance.
Let me see here.. Okay. First off, our current members know we are not an actual resistance, and the were told beforehand when they were given the offer to join. Furthermore, we would not entitle newer members without the proper capabilities with the type of power that some resistances offer(as we are not a resistance, and we do not attempt to be). The only reason I stated we were a resistance was due to lack of a word that describes us best. Some would say group, others would say a collective mass. Nonetheless, our RP does not center around killing CPs and gaining items. At what point did I say my group used/wanted vests? I've never stated/hinted/ or even gave a reason to make you believe our group wanted them. And no, the propaganda is not to be an annoyance. Most of the things we do has a purpose to it, otherwise we would not do it. Let me think.. the main reason for our propaganda is for many things. Setting CCA on the edge, sparking interest withing citizens, observing the reactions of said citizens(loyalists vs anti-loyalists), and yes, to get known.
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There is no such thing as "Resistances" there is only one, the rest are groups of refugees/citizens whom have banded together forming essentially a gang.
Ehh, I feel like this is jumping to conclusions. The Lambda Movement- the resistance presence seen in the hl2 games- is probably a main group, but that's not to say that other organizations don't exist.
There should really be no resistance in the city, because civil protection rules it with an iron fist. Everything is ICly monitored and there is not one inch of breathing room for anyone.
Here again, it seems like this is another case example of "assumed canon."
The main issues with groups such as yours, is that when not governed by an administrator and or trusted members of the community, they seem to recruit new players and give them roles that they think are specialised to the actual resistance.
I'm not sure what you mean by this statement. Are you saying that player-run groups often take on roles that are not suited for an organization of their size / resources? I think I agree with this... I'm just a little confused; it's a matter of clarification.
That is why and where the term "lolwebul" has came from, it's the fact that new players and or player who do not have a solid understanding of resistance attempt to RP in anyway what they think is right, when it's completely wrong.
Yes, a "lolwebul" is a player who does not know how to properly roleplay a rebel. He is a rebel wannabe. Sadly, due to the lack of an official organized resistance, the playerbase applies the term liberally to any resistance member they encounter because of the lack of a precendent or a standard. I believe this goes back to what LordFire was saying a few posts back.
Take for instance, previous community's I have witnessed allowed members to set up an underground network of weapon dealers in the city. They believed themselves to be resistance when in actual fact it was completely fail.
This doesn't sound that bad... In fact, if done correctly it would add a lot to the rebel-ish side of civvie RP, which is severely lacking at the moment.
However let's get back to the point which I think you missed completely. The resistance does not have ranks, only leader figures.
This is yet another instance of "assumed canon." The Lambda Movement in hl2 did not appear to use a ranking system, true. But again, there may be other organizations that do use ranks to denote seniority, leadership, etcetera. I'm not encouraging the use of ranks, though. Personally, I think it's stupid because supposedly all persons with a military background were executed or stalker-fied. But then again, the entire fucking military-background-purge shit is made up as well... It's amazing how much you can change if you simply question the conventions of hl2rp. Everybody seems to believe they're automatically set in stone, but they don't have to be...
Your group can have whatever the shit it wants, because you’re not actually the "Resistance" hence why your group should not have vests because that would just be simply retarded.
I have to agree with SkeptiK here; wearing combat gear in the middle of the city defies common sense.
With the proper-gander the reason why I said its mingy is because it's abused. People simply post shit around the plaza because they want to be "Rebels" so there is no character development behind it, they join the server and post shit around the plaza to get known or simply to just become of an annoyance.
Regrettably, the newbies who want to be rebels give the real RPers a bad name and a bad reputation. Whoever out there wants to play a true member of the resistance, it's up to you to make the community differentiate between the lolwebuls and the real rebels. If you choose to play a resistance-oriented character, you are automatically held to a far higher standard of roleplay, maturity, common sense, and canon knowledge than the rest of the server. If you roleplay your character right, you can prove the naysayers wrong.
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My rant was mainly focused on "Organised" resistance, people who think they are worthy of vests and random dicks that join the server and start posting shit. I've re-written this about 20 something times now, so excuse my fail if it doesn't make any sence atm. My PS3 is retarded and keeps deleting what I'm saying.
No idea what you're talking about anymore. We've went from 'lolwebulz' to vests. Yes, I agree; vests should be extremely hard to gain ICly, if not impossible. Nonetheless, labeling people as 'lolwebulz' just doesn't go with me. Now, what exactly do you mean by 'Organized'? Because there are some of those resistances that are. I mean organized like, ranks + discipline, jobs, recruitment + propaganda. If your definition differs from mine, then do not bother reading what's in the bold.
So tell me, what part of having set ranks, recruiting, placing propaganda and jobs are mingey? Because to me, it seems like a very legitimate form of rebelRP, and undeserving of the title 'lolwebul'(Not that other people deserve that title as well; JUST STOP USING IT). I will now explain the need for these concepts:
1. Jobs: We all like to be clean, and who else than members to clean our hideout. Cleanliness is a huge deal to some resistances, some it isn't, but I digress.
2.Recruitment: What is a group without its members? As the saying goes: There are strength in numbers.
3.Propaganda: Many reasons lye behind this one, many of which GamingZealot has mentioned. I will not bother re-posting it.
4.Ranks + Discipline: Without members knowing their places, the group itself would be chaos. Thus rendering it useless, and vulnerable.
Now, organization is not only limited to what I've posted, it's just a general outline of what it's about for me. None of which strikes me as 'lolwebul'.
There is no such thing as "Resistances" there is only one, the rest are groups of refugees/citizens whom have banded together forming essentially a gang. With saying that and adding to my original post in which I'm now using a computer. There should really be no resistance in the city, because civil protection rules it with an iron fist. Everything is ICly monitored and there is not one inch of breathing room for anyone. However for RP sake, most communities allow that, but within reason. The main issues with groups such as yours, is that when not governed by an administrator and or trusted members of the community, they seem to recruit new players and give them roles that they think are specialised to the actual resistance.
That is why and where the term "lolwebul" has came from, it's the fact that new players and or player who do not have a solid understanding of resistance attempt to RP in anyway what they think is right, when it's completely wrong. Take for instance, previous community's I have witnessed allowed members to set up an underground network of weapon dealers in the city. They believed themselves to be resistance when in actual fact it was completely fail.
However let's get back to the point which I think you missed completely. The resistance does not have ranks, only leader figures. Your group can have whatever the shit it wants, because you’re not actually the "Resistance" hence why your group should not have vests because that would just be simply retarded. With the proper-gander the reason why I said its mingy is because it's abused. People simply post shit around the plaza because they want to be "Rebels" so there is no character development behind it, they join the server and post shit around the plaza to get known or simply to just become of an annoyance.
Let me see here.. Okay. First off, our current members know we are not an actual resistance, and the were told beforehand when they were given the offer to join. Furthermore, we would not entitle newer members without the proper capabilities with the type of power that some resistances offer(as we are not a resistance, and we do not attempt to be). The only reason I stated we were a resistance was due to lack of a word that describes us best. Some would say group, others would say a collective mass. Nonetheless, our RP does not center around killing CPs and gaining items. At what point did I say my group used/wanted vests? I've never stated/hinted/ or even gave a reason to make you believe our group wanted them. And no, the propaganda is not to be an annoyance. Most of the things we do has a purpose to it, otherwise we would not do it. Let me think.. the main reason for our propaganda is for many things. Setting CCA on the edge, sparking interest withing citizens, observing the reactions of said citizens(loyalists vs anti-loyalists), and yes, to get known.
Let me start off with the fact that annoys me about certain groups. Posting proper-gander does only so much before the CCA get tired of it, do you understand that doing ANYTHING that is against the UU inflicts damage onto the citizens of the city? Because of your intentions you think are just in meaning, are not. The CCA will decrease rations, commence more regular inspections, cause more beatings to occur and possible amputations because of the tension between no food and stress. The main point is because you want to get known right? Well, once that occurs the citizens of the city will be driven to the point of which they hate you. The CCA controls the media and can bend it to their will at any point, if they want your little group hated. You will be hated, regardless of what you do.
I believe the best form of assistance you can provide to the people of the city, is no assistance at all. /end
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I believe the best form of assistance you can provide to the people of the city, is no assistance at all. /end
Nah, I think untainted food and water, along with medical aid, would go a long way. Best of all, the operations would be relatively under-the-radar because the effects would be difficult to detect. Just be discrete about it.
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I believe the best form of assistance you can provide to the people of the city, is no assistance at all. /end
Nah, I think untainted food and water, along with medical aid, would go a long way. Best of all, the operations would be relatively under-the-radar because the effects would be difficult to detect. Just be discrete about it.
So what happens when the CCA start finding this shit spawned food and water? Hurr durr, let's not do anything bout it cuz we silly cops. No, we would make the life of the citizens hell, until they drew to the point of which they only relied on us. You can only get so much into the city, and your supply's would be limited.
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I believe the best form of assistance you can provide to the people of the city, is no assistance at all. /end
Nah, I think untainted food and water, along with medical aid, would go a long way. Best of all, the operations would be relatively under-the-radar because the effects would be difficult to detect. Just be discrete about it.
So what happens when the CCA start finding this shit spawned food and water? Hurr durr, let's not do anything bout it cuz we silly cops. No, we would make the life of the citizens hell, until they drew to the point of which they only relied on us. You can only get so much into the city, and your supply's would be limited.
Well, if the group has any sense at all they'll hand it out in person in the slums or some other secluded area.
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I believe the best form of assistance you can provide to the people of the city, is no assistance at all. /end
Nah, I think untainted food and water, along with medical aid, would go a long way. Best of all, the operations would be relatively under-the-radar because the effects would be difficult to detect. Just be discrete about it.
So what happens when the CCA start finding this shit spawned food and water? Hurr durr, let's not do anything bout it cuz we silly cops. No, we would make the life of the citizens hell, until they drew to the point of which they only relied on us. You can only get so much into the city, and your supply's would be limited.
Well, if the group has any sense at all they'll hand it out in person in the slums or some other secluded area.
The ability to willy nilly cart this shit into the city is near impossible in itself. How the hell are they going to enough food/supply's to supply the city let alone a district? Even if they start small, it's going to be detected ICly. However because of the shit spawning factor, it breaches all forms of RP obtaining the items.
But I like having a constructive argument with you Yankee because your one of the few who actually know somewhat of what they are talking about.
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But I like having a constructive argument with you Yankee because your one of the few who actually know somewhat of what they are talking about.
D'aww, thx xD
The ability to willy nilly cart this shit into the city is near impossible in itself.
Yes, that's a very good point. Perhaps it is truly impossible to get contraband into the city. If so, do the groups have any alternatives? Let's not forget, the city used to be one of the largest urban population centers on earth. Would it be so far of a stretch to allow groups to obtain their contraband from inside the city? And when I say contraband, I'm talking food, water, maybe some bandages and paracetamol. Small time stuff. I don't know about you, but I think those sort of items could be fairly commonly found in abandoned cellars, ruined warehouses, secret stashes, and the like. Maybe this theory is too far-fetched; what do you think?
How the hell are they going to enough food/supply's to supply the city let alone a district?
The groups don't necessarily need to supply the entire district, just certain people. The people they help could be random, they could be carefully picked... The point is, a resistance group in the city is not obligated to help everybody. They help as many or as few people as they see fit. It's up to them to judge who to help, as well as factors such as when, where, and why. The penalty for bad decisions is the lolwebul label.
Even if they start small, it's going to be detected ICly.
Again, this depends on the how skilled the group is at working under-the-radar. I believe the best way to go about distributing things is to distribute them face-to-face with people who have been deliberately selected. Bottles and garbage should be disposed of properly; e.g. hidden.
Uhh, what else... choose the people very carefully. Persons with Loyalist bands are obvious no-no's. If you approach a loyalist with contraband, you deserve to be permabanned on grounds of sheer stupidity. Don't pick people who sound talkative, don't pick people who are obviously bad RPers. This basically comes down to common sense, as well as your ability to read people (or more accurately, their characters).
Another factor to consider is location. Don't do your deal in a place where people frequently travel. A good example of this is, well, any place that's not locked. Always do your deal in a locked room. It ensures nobody will walk in on you. Make sure nobody can hear you. Whisper. Make sure nobody sees you both enter at the same time, it sometimes attracts attention. And please don't make the mistake of leaving together. Don't mark dumbass symbols on your door or on yourself, even if it's "ICly hidden." The key is to be as inconspicuous as fucking possible, both in OOC or IC. Don't brag about the shit you do ICly, OOCly, or even in PMs.
When distributing contraband, there are a few other points that any half-brained resistance member will observe.
- Only carry as much contraband as you need. Walking around with bottles of water or bandages in your pockets is a catastrophe just waiting to happen. All it takes is an ill-timed community inspection, a troll with a request device, or a wrong look at an officer, and bam: your black market days are over. The same goes for your "client" or "mark," but there are essential precautions that can minimize damage done by captured witnesses.
- Always use an IC disguise. Wrap a shirt around your face or something, anything to hide distinguishing physical characteristics about yourself. If your character does not talk for the duration of the distribution, then by all means temporarily remove the bit about the low, gravelly Southern accent. Why? It's distinctive and will help the CCA immensely in identifying you. If the characters with you will not hear your voice, they should not have a right to instinctively know what it sounds like. Remove any part of your physical description that your client is unable to observe.
- And do not, under any circumstances, give anybody your real name (or let them recognize you). If the CCA catches wind of your operation (and it will no matter how hard you try to keep it a secret), they need two main pieces of information to find you. The first is your physical description. Officers will likely spam the radios for BOLs of your physical description over the radio, in the event that a unit actually sees you walking down the street or something. The second bit of information they need is your name, so they can mark up your database profile with "wanted- detain on sight" and similar shit. The other piece information they may have/want is your location. This is easy to counter. Move out of your apartment, stay in some obscure-but-legal area of town. And again, make sure you've ditched all illegal items in case you actually are restrained and searched.
If the CCA has an accurate physical description of you, officers can "wall" you for looking like the BOL, then use your name-linked profile to confirm your identity. Then it's curtains for you and your resistance. But remember, they cannot do this if they have an inaccurate physical description of you and a false/no name.
Hopefully, these tips will help aspiring resistance players stay out of the CCA's spotlight. It's all about discretion and taking steps to control who knows what about you.
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Okay, this may sound bad. But it's fact, for our group anyway. Our group's goal is not to help the citizens, in fact we think they are the scum of the Earth. Red Union has a respect 'Chart' I guess it can be called? Anyways. We do not hold high respect for anyone, the closest feeling to neutrality would be our members, I suppose. Our group differs so much from other resistances, as it is not a resistance. So, please learn some things about our group before you simply jump to conclusions, SkeptiK. And Yankee, as I stated before: Our group does not want/desire vests. It's just.. complicated, to say the least. If you have any questions about it, just ask them instead of winging your arguements.
Now, as for punishments for our 'proper-gander'. No rations? I say good. Our group does not like rations, nor do they believe other citizens should.
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But I like having a constructive argument with you Yankee because your one of the few who actually know somewhat of what they are talking about.
D'aww, thx xD
The ability to willy nilly cart this shit into the city is near impossible in itself.
Yes, that's a very good point. Perhaps it is truly impossible to get contraband into the city. If so, do the groups have any alternatives? Let's not forget, the city used to be one of the largest urban population centers on earth. Would it be so far of a stretch to allow groups to obtain their contraband from inside the city? And when I say contraband, I'm talking food, water, maybe some bandages and paracetamol. Small time stuff. I don't know about you, but I think those sort of items could be fairly commonly found in abandoned cellars, ruined warehouses, secret stashes, and the like. Maybe this theory is too far-fetched; what do you think?
How the hell are they going to enough food/supply's to supply the city let alone a district?
The groups don't necessarily need to supply the entire district, just certain people. The people they help could be random, they could be carefully picked... The point is, a resistance group in the city is not obligated to help everybody. They help as many or as few people as they see fit. It's up to them to judge who to help, as well as factors such as when, where, and why. The penalty for bad decisions is the lolwebul label.
Even if they start small, it's going to be detected ICly.
Again, this depends on the how skilled the group is at working under-the-radar. I believe the best way to go about distributing things is to distribute them face-to-face with people who have been deliberately selected. Bottles and garbage should be disposed of properly; e.g. hidden.
Uhh, what else... choose the people very carefully. Persons with Loyalist bands are obvious no-no's. If you approach a loyalist with contraband, you deserve to be permabanned on grounds of sheer stupidity. Don't pick people who sound talkative, don't pick people who are obviously bad RPers. This basically comes down to common sense, as well as your ability to read people (or more accurately, their characters).
Another factor to consider is location. Don't do your deal in a place where people frequently travel. A good example of this is, well, any place that's not locked. Always do your deal in a locked room. It ensures nobody will walk in on you. Make sure nobody can hear you. Whisper. Make sure nobody sees you both enter at the same time, it sometimes attracts attention. And please don't make the mistake of leaving together. Don't mark dumbass symbols on your door or on yourself, even if it's "ICly hidden." The key is to be as inconspicuous as fucking possible, both in OOC or IC. Don't brag about the shit you do ICly, OOCly, or even in PMs.
When distributing contraband, there are a few other points that any half-brained resistance member will observe.
- Only carry as much contraband as you need. Walking around with bottles of water or bandages in your pockets is a catastrophe just waiting to happen. All it takes is an ill-timed community inspection, a troll with a request device, or a wrong look at an officer, and bam: your black market days are over. The same goes for your "client" or "mark," but there are essential precautions that can minimize damage done by captured witnesses.
- Always use an IC disguise. Wrap a shirt around your face or something, anything to hide distinguishing physical characteristics about yourself. If your character does not talk for the duration of the distribution, then by all means temporarily remove the bit about the low, gravelly Southern accent. Why? It's distinctive and will help the CCA immensely in identifying you. If the characters with you will not hear your voice, they should not have a right to instinctively know what it sounds like. Remove any part of your physical description that your client is unable to observe.
- And do not, under any circumstances, give anybody your real name (or let them recognize you). If the CCA catches wind of your operation (and it will no matter how hard you try to keep it a secret), they need two main pieces of information to find you. The first is your physical description. Officers will likely spam the radios for BOLs of your physical description over the radio, in the event that a unit actually sees you walking down the street or something. The second bit of information they need is your name, so they can mark up your database profile with "wanted- detain on sight" and similar shit. The other piece information they may have/want is your location. This is easy to counter. Move out of your apartment, stay in some obscure-but-legal area of town. And again, make sure you've ditched all illegal items in case you actually are restrained and searched.
If the CCA has an accurate physical description of you, officers can "wall" you for looking like the BOL, then use your name-linked profile to confirm your identity. Then it's curtains for you and your resistance. But remember, they cannot do this if they have an inaccurate physical description of you and a false/no name.
Hopefully, these tips will help aspiring resistance players stay out of the CCA's spotlight. It's all about discretion and taking steps to control who knows what about you.
Resistance RP is so hard with 20% of citizens being new player, and like 70% trying to get loyalist points all the time..
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Okay, this may sound bad. But it's fact, for our group anyway. Our group's goal is not to help the citizens, in fact we think they are the scum of the Earth. Red Union has a respect 'Chart' I guess it can be called? Anyways. We do not hold high respect for anyone, the closest feeling to neutrality would be our members, I suppose. Our group differs so much from other resistances, as it is not a resistance. So, please learn some things about our group before you simply jump to conclusions, SkeptiK. And Yankee, as I stated before: Our group does not want/desire vests. It's just.. complicated, to say the least. If you have any questions about it, just ask them instead of winging your arguements.
Now, as for punishments for our 'proper-gander'. No rations? I say good. Our group does not like rations, nor do they believe other citizens should.
If your group's goal is not to help the citizens, then what is its goal
And not liking rations is one thing, but it's another thing entirely if those rations are your only source of food, which they are for the vast majority of citizens...
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Okay, this may sound bad. But it's fact, for our group anyway. Our group's goal is not to help the citizens, in fact we think they are the scum of the Earth. Red Union has a respect 'Chart' I guess it can be called? Anyways. We do not hold high respect for anyone, the closest feeling to neutrality would be our members, I suppose. Our group differs so much from other resistances, as it is not a resistance. So, please learn some things about our group before you simply jump to conclusions, SkeptiK. And Yankee, as I stated before: Our group does not want/desire vests. It's just.. complicated, to say the least. If you have any questions about it, just ask them instead of winging your arguements.
Now, as for punishments for our 'proper-gander'. No rations? I say good. Our group does not like rations, nor do they believe other citizens should.
If your group's goal is not to help the citizens, then what is its goal
And not liking rations is one thing, but it's another thing entirely if those rations are your only source of food, which they are for the vast majority of citizens...
A topic will be created stating what the Red Union is about.
Edit: Here it is. http://www.catalyst-gaming.net/index.php?topic=7368
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Lock this damn thread, already. This is going to turn iron a huge flame war..
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Here if its hurting your feeling I will quote the rule that...
All CCA units must be nice OOC'ly k? Done lock it.
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Here if its hurting your feeling I will quote the rule that...
All CCA units must be nice OOC'ly k? Done lock it.
This isn't about the CCA only, everyone does it. So that rule doesn't exactly help us in those siturations. I don't mind if its locked really I guess since the issue has mostly been hashed out, though.
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I don't see anyone in this thread abusing each other? It's a constructive argument about resistance RP. If you have nothing to put in that is constructive then leave, because the only way this thread is going to be locked is from derailment by you guys.
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I don't see anyone in this thread abusing each other? It's a constructive argument about resistance RP. If you have nothing to put in that is constructive then leave, because the only way this thread is going to be locked is from derailment by you guys.
Something we agree on. This thread is a debate, not a flame war. I'd certainly hope some of you would be able to tell the difference.