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Title: The Military Discussion!
Post by: Phoenix on January 13, 2013, 03:39:43 AM: Do you like the military of your country? Do you dislike it? This thread is to explain your opinion on how you feel against your military and also to express your love for certain military things (tactics, vehicles, guns, etc). I decided to make this thread because a lot of my mind has been on the military. (Don't think I've told anyone on CG but I'm going to be joining the Army or Air Force sometime after June.)

I'll start off with one of the things that I really enjoy about the US Air Force, a jet!

First off, I would like to express my love for the new generations that are constantly being thought up for jets. All of the new technology in our hands can provide us with new vast weapon systems and anything else that can be though up at the time. One of the new up and coming jets is the F-35, it is set to be released in 2016 and there are very few in service at the moment (which are only for training and testing, no combat missions) since each F-35 costs roughly $107 million dollars.

The F-35 in short terms is a stealth multipurpose air superiority and ground support fixed wing aircraft. There are three classes set for the F-35. The F-35A is a regular style jet with no extra bits (i'll get to that in a second.) It is basically the straight up normal jet that involves conventional take off and landing and will likely be produced the most out of the three other classes. Then comes the F-35B! The F-35B is a STOVL (Short Take Off and Vertical Landing) variant. The image you should probably be getting in your head right now is the Harrier, which takes off and lands vertically. Here is a picture of the F-35B, which has its engine set vectored downward to provide thrust.
(http://juliantheaviator.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/f-35_4.jpg)
Personally, the F-35B is my favorite variant out of the other two variants that are available, but it costs rougly $237 million dollars for one of them! The F-35C is a variant that provides foldable wings for the capability of being stored in small spaces in a carrier. The same variant is a CATOBAR (Catapult Assisted Take Off But Arrested Recovery) type. Which means that it can also be hooked up to a carriers catapult system and be launched off the deck for an extremely quick insertion from sea to air and into enemy territory and to its target. Here is a video that shows what I'm talking about with the catapult system if you need it. (Careful! It's loud!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtufyGFbhLQ
Now I will explain more about the F-35.

Full Name: F-35 Lighting II
National Origin: United States of America
Manufacturer: Lockheed Martin Aeronautics
Main Engine: Pratt & Whitney F135 (two variants for B class and A/C). 43,000 lbf (191.35 kN) maximum thrust
Cannon: GAU-22 (Four barrel variant of the GAU-12 Equalizer) 25mm gatling type rotary cannon.
Two Outer Hardpoints: AIM-9X Sidewinder, and the AIM-132 ASRAAM only.
Other Armaments (Weapons Bay): JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition). JSOW (Joint Stand Off Weapon). AIM-120 AMRAAM BVR AAM, Storm Shadow (air-launched cruise missile). AGM-158 JASSM (Joint Air to Surface Stand-off Missile).

There is way too much to explain so I'm going to skip the main points, first of which will be the helmet! Imagine the helmets that gunship helicopter pilots use now, the ones that aim wherever you turn your head! The F-35 has practically the same thing. The user of the F-35 wears a helmet that uses a HUD that allows the weapons systems to lock on and keep track of anything that the pilot is looking at. Here is a picture of it.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/F-35_Helmet_Mounted_Display_System.jpg/590px-F-35_Helmet_Mounted_Display_System.jpg)

Cool right?

I also want to address the cockpit of the F-35. Remember all the really hard to keep track of buttons and dials inside of other jets such as the A-10? Well look no further, for you have recieved a solution! The F-35 features a full crystal touch screen panel in front of the user, which also includes a direct voice input system to improve the pilots ability to operate the aircraft over the current-generation interface.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_mock-up_instrument_panel.JPG/800px-Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_mock-up_instrument_panel.JPG)

Here is a full picture of an F-35 if anyone was still wondering.
(http://www.globalresearch.ca/articlePictures/f35.jpg)

All in all this is probably one of my favorite jets that the military is currently testing (it's a prototype so it still is a major WIP with lots of problems.)

Post anything about the military or an opinion on the F-35!

(Also sorry if this thread is elsewhere and please tell me if there is.)
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: Monkey with a gun on January 13, 2013, 05:09:50 AM: Need some British love in this thread. You guys can keep your silly fighter jets, we'll hold onto the Challenger 2.(http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/Challenger2_Pics/Challenger2-Iraq.jpg)
Plus it comes with a built in kettle, you can't compete with that.

I haven't slept in 28 hours and I don't want to write up a massive article on the challenger 2
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: @Mmmaaattt94 on January 13, 2013, 07:52:46 AM: Let me just add this here:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/56/Uk-sas.svg/324px-Uk-sas.svg.png)

The worlds BEST Special Forces (Ill explain)

Firstly, when I say the best I mean in their field of expertise which is: Intel gathering Assassinations, CP, CT, Withstanding interrogation, Escape and Evade and a few other areas.

I wont go into huge detail because I could write an essay on it but they have a VERY low fail rate and have one of the hardest enlistment procedures in the world. it has a 1% pass rate last I time checked. If you look at the work they do, you would appreciate how hard they work and how difficult their job is. You would also see why they are the best. Just look at the Uranian Embassy Seige in London. The SAS breached and cleared with no lost hostages during their raid. In protection they have nearly never lost a VIP or allowed them to come to harm unlike other protection services such as the American SS and when you think the SAS aren't just about protection, thats pretty impressive.

Seriously, look into them, they are the world best for a reason.

EDIT: Also, the challenger is amazing. I want one when they go up for sale.

Also, the British government is stupid with the Army. They got rid of our aircraft carriers and the harriers leaving us vulnerable. THE HARRIERS WERE THE BEST VTOL AIRCRAFT IN THE WORLD AND THEY GOT RID OF THEM. FUCKING IDIOTS.

Rant over ;)
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: smt on January 13, 2013, 07:54:25 AM: Quote
I could write an SA on it
lol

My favorite thing in use today, I wish the British army used them, they're sexy as fuck
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: @Mmmaaattt94 on January 13, 2013, 07:55:08 AM: Quote from: Smt on January 13, 2013, 07:54:25 AM
Quote
I could write an essay on it
lol

I could xD
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: smt on January 13, 2013, 07:55:50 AM: Do you mean an essay?
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: @Mmmaaattt94 on January 13, 2013, 07:57:13 AM: Quote from: Smt on January 13, 2013, 07:55:50 AM
Do you mean an essay?

Maybe, Im not thinking straight atm. Leave me ;)
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: Tyrex on January 13, 2013, 09:00:54 AM: say hello to the ac-130, you don't want this thing flying over you if you're an enemy
(http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/USNEWS/060303/AP_AC130.gif)
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: smt on January 13, 2013, 09:07:28 AM: Quote from: The Real Tyler on January 13, 2013, 09:00:54 AM
say hello to the ac-130, you don't want this thing flying over you if you're an enemy
(http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/USNEWS/060303/AP_AC130.gif)

for me the ac-130 was ruined by CoD fanboys

A-10 is WAY sexier for air support anyway, a plane built around the gun, fucking amazing

(http://i.imgur.com/H307d.png)
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: Dallas on January 13, 2013, 09:46:49 AM: (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2KZx17UBJoE/TS6xv4UsjRI/AAAAAAAAOYc/B6vfNOG0gxg/s1600/eurofighter.jpg)

Hold up motherfuckers! This shit right here is the Eurofighter Typhoon and it will fuck your F-35's shit up without delay. We got weapons on this motherfucker that can topple empires, this thing is the most aerodynamic thing since air!! America ain't got shit on this.
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: smt on January 13, 2013, 09:53:13 AM: Quote from: The 11th Doctor on January 13, 2013, 09:46:49 AM
this thing is the most aerodynamic thing since air!! America ain't got shit on this.

on the contrary, the eurofighter is designed specifically to be incredibly unareodynamic and uses the advanced array of computers to keep it flying, which in turn lets it do crazy things in the air, i dunno the specifics but im pretty sure the typhoon is 100x better and more advanced than the f35 doe
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: Would you like some 3.14159265? on January 13, 2013, 10:19:21 AM: Representing Canada up in here, JTF2
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-boxil1UaZsY/TexXb84uOdI/AAAAAAAAAT8/yajv8tQkKVY/s1600/Canada+SOFCOM+-+JTF2+%255B1.5x1.5%255D.png)
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: @Mmmaaattt94 on January 13, 2013, 10:33:37 AM: May I present, a REAL weaponised quad-rotor used by FPSRussia

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17kh1jan974hljpg/medium.jpg)
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: Krisrules on January 13, 2013, 11:03:49 AM: The British army imo is decent, its a secure job with decent pay, you never do the same thing the next day, and they encourage you to go on various courses and adventure training, a few downsides like getting fucked about or having a weekend took off you but the way I see it about the army is you can moan, but you can't complain.
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: Phoenix on January 13, 2013, 04:24:55 PM: Quote from: Smt on January 13, 2013, 09:07:28 AM
Quote from: The Real Tyler on January 13, 2013, 09:00:54 AM
say hello to the ac-130, you don't want this thing flying over you if you're an enemy
(http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/USNEWS/060303/AP_AC130.gif)

for me the ac-130 was ruined by CoD fanboys

A-10 is WAY sexier for air support anyway, a plane built around the gun, fucking amazing

(http://i.imgur.com/H307d.png)

THIS. Other than the F-35, the A-10 is one of my favorite aircraft used in the Air Force. It provides close ground support and the whole jet was built around the GAU-8 30mm Avenger Cannon. Pilots that use it say that the whole aircraft shakes whenever it shoots and it's just a nice experience as a whole. In my military experience I really hope that I get to see an A-10 in action.
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: BltElite on January 13, 2013, 04:40:45 PM: Quote from: Smt on January 13, 2013, 09:53:13 AM
Quote from: The 11th Doctor on January 13, 2013, 09:46:49 AM
this thing is the most aerodynamic thing since air!! America ain't got shit on this.

on the contrary, the eurofighter is designed specifically to be incredibly unareodynamic and uses the advanced array of computers to keep it flying, which in turn lets it do crazy things in the air, i dunno the specifics but im pretty sure the typhoon is 100x better and more advanced than the f35 doe
Yep, designed to be unstable via the delta wing and so on. Turning one of the 70 computers off and it falls from the sky(literally).

Its also not called the Eurofighter anymore because france dropped out of it.
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: Dallas on January 13, 2013, 04:55:59 PM: Quote from: Blt on January 13, 2013, 04:40:45 PM
Quote from: Smt on January 13, 2013, 09:53:13 AM
Quote from: The 11th Doctor on January 13, 2013, 09:46:49 AM
this thing is the most aerodynamic thing since air!! America ain't got shit on this.

on the contrary, the eurofighter is designed specifically to be incredibly unareodynamic and uses the advanced array of computers to keep it flying, which in turn lets it do crazy things in the air, i dunno the specifics but im pretty sure the typhoon is 100x better and more advanced than the f35 doe
Yep, designed to be unstable via the delta wing and so on. Turning one of the 70 computers off and it falls from the sky(literally).

Its also not called the Eurofighter anymore because france dropped out of it.

Isn't it just amazing though? The fact it can do all this shit and it isn't aerodynamic as you say.
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: Frosty on January 13, 2013, 05:27:58 PM: (http://www.aveksa.com/Portals/176226/images/nuke-pagespeed-ce-0ke-wkj30c.jpg)

End of world piece right thar /\
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: Phoenix on January 13, 2013, 05:39:03 PM: Quote from: The 11th Doctor on January 13, 2013, 04:55:59 PM
Quote from: Blt on January 13, 2013, 04:40:45 PM
Quote from: Smt on January 13, 2013, 09:53:13 AM
Quote from: The 11th Doctor on January 13, 2013, 09:46:49 AM
this thing is the most aerodynamic thing since air!! America ain't got shit on this.

on the contrary, the eurofighter is designed specifically to be incredibly unareodynamic and uses the advanced array of computers to keep it flying, which in turn lets it do crazy things in the air, i dunno the specifics but im pretty sure the typhoon is 100x better and more advanced than the f35 doe
Yep, designed to be unstable via the delta wing and so on. Turning one of the 70 computers off and it falls from the sky(literally).

Its also not called the Eurofighter anymore because france dropped out of it.

Isn't it just amazing though? The fact it can do all this shit and it isn't aerodynamic as you say.

It's amazing what we can make computers do just by that. Computers are a huge part of life now and they are constantly making better and smarter computers. At the end of my life I really want to see what computers will be like. Probably WAY more advanced since the more technology we have the faster technology progresses. Perhaps we will be getting Iron Man suits soon enough?
(http://www.wired.com/images/article/full/2008/04/ironman_630px.jpg)
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: Pielolz on January 13, 2013, 05:52:12 PM: US Navy all the way, kiddies!

(http://endthelie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/naval-battlegroup.jpg)

The most powerful navy in the world with the most commissioned warships in the world.

Oh, and yes, I shall attempt to get into the Naval Academy :D

Added a spoiler for that large picture. - Ricky

Be nice.
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: The Mysterious Stranger on January 13, 2013, 07:04:47 PM: Paratrooper all the way!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8361/8256246122_02caf8aa0e_m.jpg)

(http://)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwJW5sk0wPw
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: Phoenix on January 13, 2013, 11:10:57 PM: I really love the distinguishable sound of the A-10' 30mm cannon. VRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBkQ4LN_7U
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: Statua on January 14, 2013, 03:24:35 PM: Is everyone forgetting about the greatest alliance on Earth? NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization)

(http://www.aco.nato.int/resources/3/images/2009/december/b091210a.jpg)

This is the Boeing E-3 Sentry, aka the AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System) which is a key peice of equipment in military operations. Without this, aerial attacks would be limited to World War II tactics. The actual range of the radar dish is classified, however public discolsure 400km (212nM). It can detect anything from Ground level up to the stratosphere. It's used for military operation air traffic, battlefield formations, and naval control. The information is then sent to allied control centers on the ground or on board naval ships.

TL;DR the AWACS is the eyes and ears of military operations.

My own father used to pilot this aircraft for the Geilenkirchen, Germany NATO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd9scD8x-Lg
An example of the AWACS in action (Terminology incorrect for classified reasons)
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: The Doctor, RIP Juggernaut on January 14, 2013, 03:59:53 PM: You guys and your silly Air planes and Drones.

The ground war is where its at.

Meeting the main battle tank of the free world mother fuckers!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Abrams-transparent.png/300px-Abrams-transparent.png)
Any one of these out match the soviet tanks and has twice the range of the soviet T90s and even better armor.
During the war for Iraq the largest tank battle since the second world war took place, the american forces were out numbered by soviet style tanks something like 3-1, and the Abrams ate up the entire Iraqi tank army with two losses(One broke down).

And what about the main battle rifle of NATO: The AR-15/M16

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hawaii-convoy2003-12-17.jpg)
Since it appeared in Vietnam the military has given it improvements and the soldiers taking care of it has lead it to near perfect reliability.
In Operation Iraqi freedom the US Marines was investigated by US internal affairs due to them reporting a large number of militants killed by head shots. This rifle has an effective range of 600 meters, destroying the soviet AK style weapons.
The flat flying 5.56 bullet is able to punch through things like Kevlar and even some heavy cover while maintaining its fragmentation upon impact with flesh.

And if I remember correctly, the F-35 will be the main fighter for NATO forces.
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: smt on January 14, 2013, 04:06:57 PM: To be fair a modern T90 would 8/10 times win over an Abrams in most fights they encounter, it's lighter, harder to hit, still has great protection, etc
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: BltElite on January 15, 2013, 01:30:11 PM: You forget the iraqi's didn't have up to date weaponry and tanks in the gulf wars.

Though, I would prefer it if you guys didnt say "The best navy" or "the best tank/weapon/whatever" as that comes down to opinion mainly. Don't discuss blah blah america is best because figures because nobody cares its done this and this, just discuss the actual stuff please.

Anyway, @airborne ; I wanted to be an apache pilot of the AH1 brit version but due to supposedly me having asthma I can't. I love the brit version as its got better engines then american AH-64D, has a fuck off radar stuck on top and got some updates to other little things that fine tunes it more, both of them still devastating as hell and epicly awesome. Beauty in firepower, not looks.
Title: Re: The Military Discussion!
Post by: The Doctor, RIP Juggernaut on January 15, 2013, 04:26:00 PM: Quote from: Smt on January 14, 2013, 04:06:57 PM
To be fair a modern T90 would 8/10 times win over an Abrams in most fights they encounter, it's lighter, harder to hit, still has great protection, etc
The Abrams can hit a moving target the size of a motorcycle at well over 150 yards, it can hit the T90.

The Abrams has better armor then the T90, as well as a more powerful gun that fires more rounds/the AP rounds we use penetrate armor better then the Russia ones.