I shall post all of my arguments here, even though I really shouldn't considering the SAs that support this appeal are more than those who are against it.
Spoiler for Hiden:
I have an issue with this PK. Not because I'm friends with Sectus or I want Candyman for ZEALOT. But because- in my opinion, this situation was meta'd.
I'll begin by what I'm told. I was told by Kom that the pictures were taken of Candyman, fair enough. Although. How would they know it's him? We don't have a clear description of him. This is Candyman's description: Black,Blue Clothes,Brown boots, Black hair.
I assume the scanner's camera alerts the central command when it's found someone of either matching description to something in the BOL list or if it's found someone with a similar face- assuming we already have a face-scan. Do you know how many hundreds upon thousands of African Americans would have a similar description to that? Black. Blue Clothes, Brown boots. Black Hair. You have got to be fucking me.
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Quote 10:32 PM - Kom'??: Candyman is BOL, his description and such is common knowledge, that's how we confirmed it was him.
By the way, it isn't common knowledge. Just because someone is infamous- it doesn't mean their face is known. In this case, the CCA did not know what Candyman looked like.
Everyone who is black in City 45 matches that description. But- lets assume the scanner somehow figured out what he would look like. Even then, it's incorrect. Candyman is white. Therefore, the description labeled is mis-leading and a scanner- even if operated by a person, would not find Candyman because our known description is off.
So- they apparently took a picture from a far distance. Fair enough, combine tech is unknown. But the interesting part is how they OOCly knew to take a picture of him.
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10:31 PM - Kom'??: And the pictures? 10:31 PM - Kom'??: Scanners have the ability to see the name of whoever they are following 10:32 PM - Kom'??: Its not metagaming, its how hl2rp is coded 10:32 PM - Orange: That's metagaming.
RTLK knew who to take pictures of because of the alt-follow function. Knowing it was him OOCly was also meta'd.
Nearly every aspect of this PK was meta'd. Mostly on RTLK's end. There was nothing that would lead him to take pictures of that man and ID him as Candyman. Absolutely nothing. As for the actual raid, I'll admit that- had the rest not been meta'd, they would've found him eventually considering how small P3 is.
Spoiler for Hiden:
How in the holy hell would a scanner 10-15 feet above whoever they're trying to snap a picture of manage to get a clear shot of the fingerprints? If you look at your fingerprints right now from head height to keyboard, you can't see them. Yes, we had fingerprints. But it's not like candyman was throwing his hands up and allowing the scanner to observe them.
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Quote I did not know at all that Candyman was there until I found out when finding out who I took pictures of.
How did you know it was him? Because that sentence doesn't make sense. I made it clear that due to the CCA's limited information on candyman, there was nothing that would lead you to ID him unless he raised his hands and allowed you to take a pretty picture of his fingerprints.
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Quote I saw a group of citizens near the warehouse and (as explained above) the scanner was able to recognize Candyman as a Priority One BOL after receiving the information earlier.
Again, how? You cannot simply know someone is a BOL just because they're a high priority.
Unit 717 -Enjoys long walks on the beach -Has always been attracted to the CWU Commander, Nicole Mason -Secretly enjoys the company of every Unit and/or Citizen he's come across -Dislikes taco-meat
Scanner 717 -Has a false sense of personality -Believes that humanity is but a tiny spec on the face of life and the universe -Has little flappers
But the thing is, now you're just finding reasons to keep this meta'd PK. The PK itself was meta'd, when RTLK took pictures of Candyman- he wasn't doing it because he knew we had the fingerprints or any of this other shit. And who's to say that we took a picture of Rhodes? Maybe we never took a picture of Rhodes.
If we have never seen Rhodes or his face isn't in our database, then we can't just take pictures and say it's him. It was never stated in his BOL information that we knew what he looked like or that we had his fingerprints or ANYTHING. Since it was not written down, that's your fault. Now you can't use that to justify a PK.
Or if that's how you'd like to play it, then you can say goodbye to Rebel RP. Because if that's the case. I will implement it every time I do a ZEALOT operation and I will use this scanner BS to RUIN rebel RP.
At this point you're only helping out those who wish to root rebel RP out.
How in the holy hell would a scanner 10-15 feet above whoever they're trying to snap a picture of manage to get a clear shot of the fingerprints? If you look at your fingerprints right now from head height to keyboard, you can't see them. Yes, we had fingerprints. But it's not like candyman was throwing his hands up and allowing the scanner to observe them.
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I did not know at all that Candyman was there until I found out when finding out who I took pictures of.
How did you know it was him? Because that sentence doesn't make sense. I made it clear that due to the CCA's limited information on candyman, there was nothing that would lead you to ID him unless he raised his hands and allowed you to take a pretty picture of his fingerprints.
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I saw a group of citizens near the warehouse and (as explained above) the scanner was able to recognize Candyman as a Priority One BOL after receiving the information earlier.
Again, how? You cannot simply know someone is a BOL just because they're a high priority.
I have an issue with this PK. Not because I'm friends with Sectus or I want Candyman for ZEALOT. But because- in my opinion, this situation was meta'd.
I'll begin by what I'm told. I was told by Kom that the pictures were taken of Candyman, fair enough. Although. How would they know it's him? We don't have a clear description of him. This is Candyman's description: Black,Blue Clothes,Brown boots, Black hair.
I assume the scanner's camera alerts the central command when it's found someone of either matching description to something in the BOL list or if it's found someone with a similar face- assuming we already have a face-scan. Do you know how many hundreds upon thousands of African Americans would have a similar description to that? Black. Blue Clothes, Brown boots. Black Hair. You have got to be fucking me.
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10:32 PM - Kom'??: Candyman is BOL, his description and such is common knowledge, that's how we confirmed it was him.
By the way, it isn't common knowledge. Just because someone is infamous- it doesn't mean their face is known. In this case, the CCA did not know what Candyman looked like.
Everyone who is black in City 45 matches that description. But- lets assume the scanner somehow figured out what he would look like. Even then, it's incorrect. Candyman is white. Therefore, the description labeled is mis-leading and a scanner- even if operated by a person, would not find Candyman because our known description is off.
So- they apparently took a picture from a far distance. Fair enough, combine tech is unknown. But the interesting part is how they OOCly knew to take a picture of him.
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10:31 PM - Kom'??: And the pictures? 10:31 PM - Kom'??: Scanners have the ability to see the name of whoever they are following 10:32 PM - Kom'??: Its not metagaming, its how hl2rp is coded 10:32 PM - Orange: That's metagaming.
RTLK knew who to take pictures of because of the alt-follow function. Knowing it was him OOCly was also meta'd.
Nearly every aspect of this PK was meta'd. Mostly on RTLK's end. There was nothing that would lead him to take pictures of that man and ID him as Candyman. Absolutely nothing. As for the actual raid, I'll admit that- had the rest not been meta'd, they would've found him eventually considering how small P3 is.
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