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Half-Life 2 Roleplay => Archive => HL2RP Development[ARCHIVE] => Outside City 45 => Topic started by: Dallas on November 02, 2012, 01:54:04 PM
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Here's a question that's been getting to me recently.
Where are you people getting fuel for your cars?
If you have a car in the Outlands, where are you getting the gas? Ineu Pass is home to numerous generators which are all consuming vast amounts weekly. The old bunker must have needed huge quantities of fossil fuels! The fact is that Ineu Pass has to now be drained dry. I'm fine with generators and what have you but the fact people just hop in their cars and whiz around the valley is completely unrealistic. I've heard people are stockpiling jerry cans, if so, WHERE? How many? How did you get them? The fact there is no oil drilling machines in the pass, nor is there any refinery, suggests that is should be impossible at this point to simply find gas. All the ruined cars are drained, that's what people would do once gas became scarce. At this point, winter 2017, there should be no more gas in Ineu pass.
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Here's a question that's been getting to me recently.
Where are you people getting fuel for your cars?
If you have a car in the Outlands, where are you getting the gas? Ineu Pass is home to numerous generators which are all consuming vast amounts weekly. The old bunker must have needed huge quantities of fossil fuels! The fact is that Ineu Pass has to now be drained dry. I'm fine with generators and what have you but the fact people just hop in their cars and whiz around the valley is completely unrealistic. I've heard people are stockpiling jerry cans, if so, WHERE? How many? How did you get them? The fact there is no oil drilling machines in the pass, nor is there any refinery, suggests that is should be impossible at this point to simply find gas. All the ruined cars are drained, that's what people would do once gas became scarce. At this point, winter 2017, there should be no more gas in Ineu pass.
First, the bunker doesn't have power.
Second, you assume all the cars are drained after two years? Really? I would assume that the gas station also had/has fuel in it.
Third, there's only three/four cars last I checked(Beans, mine, Violets) and we don't drive more then a mile at best or so at best.
Basically everyone was rounded up(Sparring a few well trained survivors) and put in the cites, and a route to Ineu pass wasn't really known till we went there because of the combine, so there would have been VERY little tapping on the gas supplies.
And over all, if this was suppose to be super realistic, then the combine would have to give up their cloaks and some of their more advance augmentations, will they do that? Not likely.
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Here's a question that's been getting to me recently.
Where are you people getting fuel for your cars?
If you have a car in the Outlands, where are you getting the gas? Ineu Pass is home to numerous generators which are all consuming vast amounts weekly. The old bunker must have needed huge quantities of fossil fuels! The fact is that Ineu Pass has to now be drained dry. I'm fine with generators and what have you but the fact people just hop in their cars and whiz around the valley is completely unrealistic. I've heard people are stockpiling jerry cans, if so, WHERE? How many? How did you get them? The fact there is no oil drilling machines in the pass, nor is there any refinery, suggests that is should be impossible at this point to simply find gas. All the ruined cars are drained, that's what people would do once gas became scarce. At this point, winter 2017, there should be no more gas in Ineu pass.
First, the bunker doesn't have power.
Second, you assume all the cars are drained after two years? Really? I would assume that the gas station also had/has fuel in it.
Third, there's only three/four cars last I checked(Beans, mine, Violets) and we don't drive more then a mile at best or so at best.
Basically everyone was rounded up(Sparring a few well trained survivors) and put in the cites, and a route to Ineu pass wasn't really known till we went there because of the combine, so there would have been VERY little tapping on the gas supplies.
And over all, if this was suppose to be super realistic, then the combine would have to give up their cloaks and some of their more advance augmentations, will they do that? Not likely.
To the first point: It did have power and was operating with some impressive tech before it was destroyed.
Secondly: Your cars are probably not very fuel efficient and the gas station is certainly drained, it has to be after the bunker and all the generators.
Thirdly: Four cars, especially things like Staua's van and Beans's buggy, would consume large amounts of fuel so it isn't too unreasonable to question it.
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Stale gas doesnt work. Gas sitting in tanks underground or in cars would stop being effective after around 6 months and would basicly be toxic sludge after a year or year and a half
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To add, in the winter months, oil would need to stay at a hot temperature otherwise it turns sludgy and won't be of use to anyone. There is no device in Ineu Pass that I know of that can heat oil at 80 degrees needed for storage.
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Well than that simply means that half life two is unrealistic as well, considering Gordon drove EVERYWHERE.
I know HL2 is unrealistic, but if we're going by it's canon, which we certainly are in some way or another, then I'd assume there'd be some sort of usable fuel somewhere.
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Allright... Let's look at it the following way. You're complaining about realism... And things that have been authed/worked on with proper explanations before... In a game where there are fucking aliens all over the place and people can use grade 5 kevlar like it's a wool vest (I'm looking at you, OTA.)
It's... Dumb.
As for how the fuel is obtained, that can be explained if you just take a bit of time. Let's consider the fact that vehicles ARE going to be abandoned if they get screwed over, specially after the 7 hour war. Let's consider that these vehicles have gasoline in them and that gasoline doesn't decay as fast or as easy as some people would have you believe. There's also the fact that few people /actually/ need the gas, except for the dudes who have the bloody vehicles to begin with, making your point of "the cars are drained" moot, because if the cars are drained, the chances are it's because /they/ got the fucking gas because it's logical necesity. Then there's gas stations which have THOUSANDS of gallons of the fucking thing inside. If you break into the actual supply of these gas-stations (the little underground thing they have specifically speaking) You'd be more than able to obtain some gas. And that is specifically made to house it in a clean and SAFE manner. In two years i doubt there was people who both had a car and needed to take shitloads of gas to waste ALL the gas-stations around the pass, which mind you being out in the middle of the road between cities would have had plenty of gas-stations to supply people who were traveling back and forth.
Then there's the obvious fact that the CCA and what not would need gas for THEIR vehicles, which could be scavenged in the case they failed a route or something. Or even if they got killed off (Which while rare sometimes ocurr). There's black market shit involving the CWU... The CCA and low ranks themselves... Of course, all of these have some little "plothole" or another, but that's the thing. There's SEVERAL explanations to getting fuel out there. Any of them being relatively valid if sometimes a bit of a stretch, but nitpicking at all of them is not making the RP more realistic, it's not making the people do a better effort for good RP, it's just being a dick. There's this thing called Suspension of disbelief that you may have to look into.
I can see them needing to RP scavenging for Gas. I can see them having to maybe auth every once in a while or something like that if you REALLY want to get nitpicky at it, but this is really just a moot point about thinking TOO hard into what would normally simply be a usefull RP object that we can use to create passive, maybe even active RP to have fun with.
TL;DR: You're reading too hard into it.
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Well than that simply means that half life two is unrealistic as well, considering Gordon drove EVERYWHERE.
I know HL2 is unrealistic, but if we're going by it's canon, which we certainly are in some way or another, then I'd assume there'd be some sort of usable fuel somewhere.
Gordon drove in cars with a full tank of gas for only a couple hours at a time. He also beat OTA Elites to death with a crowbar.
If you can prove your car operates by an alternative fuel source then that's fine.
To Elions: Fuel does decay quickly. The single gas station has been picked at for two years since the war; whatever it had is now gone. The CCA use dark energy to power their things. This is Serious Roleplay. We can't have people asspulling jerry cans from a desolate place where no fuel should actually exist. This is one of the reasons why a community in Ineu would be difficult; the certainty of running out of fuel for transport and eventually generators.
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Allright... Let's look at it the following way. You're complaining about realism... And things that have been authed/worked on with proper explanations before... In a game where there are fucking aliens all over the place and people can use grade 5 kevlar like it's a wool vest (I'm looking at you, OTA.)
It's... Dumb.
As for how the fuel is obtained, that can be explained if you just take a bit of time. Let's consider the fact that vehicles ARE going to be abandoned if they get screwed over, specially after the 7 hour war. Let's consider that these vehicles have gasoline in them and that gasoline doesn't decay as fast or as easy as some people would have you believe. There's also the fact that few people /actually/ need the gas, except for the dudes who have the bloody vehicles to begin with, making your point of "the cars are drained" moot, because if the cars are drained, the chances are it's because /they/ got the fucking gas because it's logical necesity. Then there's gas stations which have THOUSANDS of gallons of the fucking thing inside. If you break into the actual supply of these gas-stations (the little underground thing they have specifically speaking) You'd be more than able to obtain some gas. And that is specifically made to house it in a clean and SAFE manner. In two years i doubt there was people who both had a car and needed to take shitloads of gas to waste ALL the gas-stations around the pass, which mind you being out in the middle of the road between cities would have had plenty of gas-stations to supply people who were traveling back and forth.
Then there's the obvious fact that the CCA and what not would need gas for THEIR vehicles, which could be scavenged in the case they failed a route or something. Or even if they got killed off (Which while rare sometimes ocurr). There's black market shit involving the CWU... The CCA and low ranks themselves... Of course, all of these have some little "plothole" or another, but that's the thing. There's SEVERAL explanations to getting fuel out there. Any of them being relatively valid if sometimes a bit of a stretch, but nitpicking at all of them is not making the RP more realistic, it's not making the people do a better effort for good RP, it's just being a dick. There's this thing called Suspension of disbelief that you may have to look into.
I can see them needing to RP scavenging for Gas. I can see them having to maybe auth every once in a while or something like that if you REALLY want to get nitpicky at it, but this is really just a moot point about thinking TOO hard into what would normally simply be a usefull RP object that we can use to create passive, maybe even active RP to have fun with.
TL;DR: You're reading too hard into it.
Yes. And I bought multiple cans and containers of gasoline from TOTO when they still existed, me and another character had to pry open the hatch on the gas container and lower the cans in with a rope to fill them. We RPed it all.
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Gordon drove in cars with a full tank of gas for only a couple hours at a time. He also beat OTA Elites to death with a crowbar.
If you can prove your car operates by an alternative fuel source then that's fine.
To Elions: Fuel does decay quickly. The single gas station has been picked at for two years since the war; whatever it had is now gone. The CCA use dark energy to power their things. This is Serious Roleplay. We can't have people asspulling jerry cans from a desolate place where no fuel should actually exist. This is one of the reasons why a community in Ineu would be difficult; the certainty of running out of fuel for transport and eventually generators.
If we go with "serious rp" then we should also consider that the Ineu Pass is NOT the only place the characters can go, as it would be a very limited place, not to mention that it would mean that they have /no way out/ considering there's walls and cliffs everywhere. There's also the fact that "serious rp" doesn't mean "nitpick at everything and demand complete and absolute knowledge of everything that is done". Then there's also the fact that if we talk about serious RP there are MANY other things that you should be complaining about. Like for example the idea of OTA being able to "augment" people when in HL2RP they never used such a thing. Or how the only shotgun in existance in HL2 is the SPAS 12, a weapon that stopped being produced 17 YEARS Before the entirety of HL2 ocurred.
Then there's the issues with black matter being a plausible fuel system to begin with, let alone the idea of Aliens taking over earth in 7 bloody hours. You're nitpicking at the one thing that you SHOULDN'T be nitpicking, i'd dare say it's the most easy to explain thing in the entirety of the bloody HL2 universe.
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The whole point of serious RP, Outlands in particular, is to establish the brutal, gritty and -above all- realistic nature of the HL2 world with this spin. Please don't dismiss the entire point of serious RP by saying: "You're reading into it too hard."
It may surprise you but I can actually buy the fact the Union had destroyed the planet in seven hours, not a big feat considering they are centuries more advanced, whose to say dark energy could'nt be used when it makes up 60% of all energy in the known Universe? The shotgun issue is a purely cosmetic thing in my mind. There is, however, little excuse for laziness when it comes to Outlands living. The fact there are generators running almost 24/7 and cars being driven leads me to think that there must be a need for gas expeditions into the surrounding areas. There is no fuel in Ineu. Or at least not enough to power all these things.
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The whole point of serious RP, Outlands in particular, is to establish the brutal, gritty and -above all- realistic nature of the HL2 world with this spin. Please don't dismiss the entire point of serious RP by saying: "You're reading into it too hard."
It may surprise you but I can actually buy the fact the Union had destroyed the planet in seven hours, not a big feat considering they are centuries more advanced, whose to say dark energy could'nt be used when it makes up 60% of all energy in the known Universe? The shotgun issue is a purely cosmetic thing in my mind. There is, however, little excuse for laziness when it comes to Outlands living. The fact there are generators running almost 24/7 and cars being driven leads me to think that there must be a need for gas expeditions into the surrounding areas. There is no fuel in Ineu. Or at least not enough to power all these things.
So the fact that they manage to apply dark matter into using it /safely/ in a small vehicle doesn't bother you... The idea that the CCA can carry kevlar on them that goes on light armored vehicles is fine... The idea that we have a shotgun that stopped being produced in the 2000's as the most common shotgun ever is fine by you, or the fact that said shotgun can somehow fire both barrels even though it has only one barrel opening... But how people get fuel in outlands. THAT bothers you?... Yeah, i'm sorry but you'renot helping whatever point you're trying to make here man.
Survival RP is done in outlands. Every bloody time we go in there, there's actual people looking for food, water, shelter. But in a world with much more pressing inconsistencies you're worrying about ordinary gas.
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This is not 'ordinary gas' anymore, this is precious stuff, valuable, essential. Worried about it? Yeah, a little.
The things you have listed are not as big an issue as the most essential thing since food, water and medical supplies.
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Not as big an issue to find food and water? CLEAN food and water? Seriously? It's just as big of an issue but people do manage to find it because they've been learning to scavenge or hell, even find alternatives since 2 or so years already out there, let alone people who already knew one or two things about survival
It's only been a couple of years and you don't think either that other places OUTSIDE of the pass (which as i've stated is more than plausible people go out of during times they are not in the server and what not for IC purposes) would have stocked up on fuel too? Or what about the fact that fossil fuels are still needed for several other things? What about survivalists who actually stock up on it, "preppers" that exist EVERYWHERE in the world? Fuel wouldn't be in ample supply but it wouldn't have just dissapeared off the face of the planet you dib. And there would be more than one if not many places where they could try and scavenge/work/trade for it. Not to mention the fact the CCA probably does re-use fuel for things that they're still trying to convert to using dark matter, if that's even a plausible fuel explanation.
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If you've been scavenging then show me the auths. Please do. An auth that gives you scavenging knowledge, if you're a survivalist then let me see that too. If you get all your fuel from the land of Narnia or what have you, that stuff needs an auth for that supply route.
As for food and water: the freshwater rivers could be boiled on a fire to cleanse it of bacteria and numerous people have hunting skills.
So riddle me this, where are these fuel authorizations?
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Scavenging... You do know what it is, correct? It doesn't require some kind of superior knowledge to do. Let's look at the dictionary definition shall we?
1. To search through for salvageable material: scavenged the garbage cans for food scraps.
2. To collect and remove refuse from: The streets are periodically scavenged.
3. To collect (salvageable material) by searching.
Well gee... That sounds like something anyone can literally do, doesn't it?.
As for authing for these kind of things, i said if it really bothered you that hard that people find certain items you could maybe ask if they need to auth... Thing is, people have authed for such things before. They've authed for finding fuel, for finding specific items, knowledge to do certain things, finding certain important items like medical supplies or crap like that, but the thing is fuel is necesarily something so simple to really find considering all the previous factors i gave you that it doesn't Necesarily require an auth, unless they got enough fuel to fill up an entire fucking gas station. Which no one has done.
I mean... If you want me to auth for literally knowing how to search through rubble with my bloody hands i can do so, but it seems silly to do something like that, after all, anyone can do it. And as long as i don't just pull something out of my ass (which no one has done at any point when it comes to vehicle fuel) then it's not really a big deal now is it?
As i said before, you're reading too hard into this, and you're not helping RP, you're just being a dick.
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Good sir, I am merely saying that the way things are today ei: asspulling jerry cans to power our improbable consumption rates are simply unacceptable without an explanation and so far you've been throwing excuses at me. I honest couldn't give a damn about a shotgun, answer my question, where are we getting this fuel?
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That's the thing. You could be getting this fuel from several different locations. I could give you one spot but you would criticize it no matter what i say. And as i've been trying to also point out, no one has been ass-pulling jerry cans at any moment in time.
There are a thousand possible explanations for this as there are a million possible criticisms for it. We could be bickering about this for a very long time or we could both concede that it does not truly affect anyone since both
A) People are /not/ just pulling it out of their asses and are trying to make some concious effort into explaining this sort of thing, perhaps without much professional knowledge but this is understandable
B) This is not actually hurting RP, but helping it, as it creates more interesting situations, or it gives people an aid to travel or to show-case what knowledge they have on certain matters.
I've not been throwing excuses at you, i've been trying to show you that this is a moot thing to talk about in the first place. And the reality is that if you're going to bicker about the fuel, you HAVE to bicker about the shotgun, you HAVE to bicker about the dark fuel, and you HAVE to bicker about the 7 hour war. You cannot pick and choose what you want to be anal about, you're either anal about everything, or you understand that you have to leave a bit of elbow room for people to create the situations, places, items, etc. that a healthy, fun RP server requires.
That said, on a more personal note don't call someone "Good sir" and then say they're throwing excuses at you and put "I don't give a damn", either be formal or not.
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While I agree we could argue for literal hours on this as it is a very complex issue I have to say that I'm not ready to drop this yet.
While I do enjoy RP- I find it rather flawless in some respects- I do think we're from two very different schools of thought on Serious RP. While I can see there is no pleasing you on this issue, I will offer a compromise.
The Compromise: Prove to me that (As you said in " Point A") people are making an effort to find it ICly and I'll be satisfied and we can all move on, and at least try to ration your gas, please try to pretend there's some form of scarcity.
Side note: Ever seen Gone With The Wind? Was more of a nod to that tone but I can see where your confusion came from.
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Guys, just cut it the fuck out. Vehicles have not been abused thus far, with the simple threat of having V flags removed, thus removing their abilities to spawn their assigned vehicle.
It's quite simple, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
There's no flaws in Violet, Beans, or Skyler having a vehicle because they certainly aren't abused. I'll admit, I usually take fuel out of the equation when in an intense RP situation, but to this point, you're the only person to complain about it.
I RP looking for fuel, I RP refueling and repairing my car with my friends, I RP turning the keys in the ignition. I RP every aspect of my vehicle pretty much 100% of the time.
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I'm pretty sure IF required Tray could post you how he RP's the situation but like i said, moot point.
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I tend to only use my car to transport wounded and get people in/out of places where they're needed ASAP(Like war zones).
Fuel for me even then wouldn't be that big of a deal, seeing how the pass isn't even really a mile across and quite a bit of it is down hill, and its not like I'm(I'm saying I'm due to the fact that I don't know what the hell beans is driving) driving a big ass V8, I'm driving a little V4.
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Beans drives a V6, but it only sounds loud and mean because of a somewhat torched muffler and the fact that the engine isn't in it's prime condition.
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Stale gas doesnt work. Gas sitting in tanks underground or in cars would stop being effective after around 6 months and would basicly be toxic sludge after a year or year and a half
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RTLK is right on this. If you take old gas that has been sitting around for a year or so, it will smell like turpentine. Anyways, after the years of combine ruling the earth and no one producing fresh gasoline, there would really be little to nothing left.
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Stale gas doesnt work. Gas sitting in tanks underground or in cars would stop being effective after around 6 months and would basicly be toxic sludge after a year or year and a half
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RTLK is right on this. If you take old gas that has been sitting around for a year or so, it will smell like turpentine. Anyways, after the years of combine ruling the earth and no one producing fresh gasoline, there would really be little to nothing left.
Not to mention the generators. A standard maintained generator can use upwards of a gallon an hour. Unmaintained probably makes it a gallon and a half an hour. Basing 6 hours a day every day, and 3 generators that's 27 gallons a day, 182 a week, and upwards of 10,000 gallons a year. With the small size of the gas station I'd estimate a 2500 gallon tank there. So a quarter year on the gas station, maybe another 2 weeks on the cars gas. And that's still only the generators
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Because there's definitely no gas stations in the vicinity of the valley and nobody ever ventures out there to get gas. Bullshit.
It's simple, just make people auth for gasoline every week or so from gas station outside the valley for whatever they may need it for. I don't see the reasoning in this, but if it's that big a deal and it's ruining roleplay so much that you need us to apply for it, then so be it..
Because, y'know, three cars in the ENTIRE outlands is just such a burden on roleplay.
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Because there's definitely no gas stations in the vicinity of the valley and nobody ever ventures out there to get gas. Bullshit.
It's simple, just make people auth for gasoline every week or so from gas station outside the valley for whatever they may need it for. I don't see the reasoning in this, but if it's that big a deal and it's ruining roleplay so much that you need us to apply for it, then so be it..
Because, y'know, three cars in the ENTIRE outlands is just such a burden on roleplay.
All that gas would go bad, 1 or 10000 miles away from the pass, it would still be bad.
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Because there's definitely no gas stations in the vicinity of the valley and nobody ever ventures out there to get gas. Bullshit.
It's simple, just make people auth for gasoline every week or so from gas station outside the valley for whatever they may need it for. I don't see the reasoning in this, but if it's that big a deal and it's ruining roleplay so much that you need us to apply for it, then so be it..
Because, y'know, three cars in the ENTIRE outlands is just such a burden on roleplay.
All that gas would go bad, 1 or 10000 miles away from the pass, it would still be bad.
Even being kept in those tanks at the gas stations? Well, boy... Maybe you're right... but you're pretty much saying that all of our favorite post-apocalyptic or similar games have no roleplay value simply because the fuel is overpowered, in a way.
Fallout New Vegas, when the bombers use that plane? OH GOD, THEY SHOULD'VE DIED UPON LIFTOFF, THE FUEL WAS BAD!
Gordon Freeman? His car should never have gone anywhere, the fuel was bad.
All those Severance servers on Garrysmod? After a time, all their cars should just go kaput!
Dead Island? Oh Lord, where are they getting all this fuel!
And finally, closer to home, DayZ. OH GOD, IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR SINCE IT'S RELEASE, EVEN MORE! WHY ARE ALL THESE ASSHOLES DRIVING HUEYS AND BUSES IF THERE'S SOUR FUEL? OH GOD!
Well. It seems there's a giant hole in the gaming community. It puts such a burden on me that my favorite games aren't realistic to the very hundredth of a percent, we should ruin roleplay for those in outlands who use vehicles!
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Just so you know, this is only a discussion and a way to try to encourage a group to do more scavenge rp. Vehicle's won't be restricted (for this reason at least. They will be due to the game mode change for a while)
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Quite frankly I think this really should be locked, all it's doing is pissing people off and is rather pointless. we all do scavenging RP, While we don't RP every step and often just say we're doing it when we d/c. I think its really nothing to cause a massive issue about, such as this.
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Just so you know, this is only a discussion and a way to try to encourage a group to do more scavenge rp. Vehicle's won't be restricted (for this reason at least. They will be due to the game mode change for a while)
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I am fine with scavenging more often, I just don't want to get criticized because I own a vehicle. And how long will our vehicles be gone? I am just curious.
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Dunno, depends on how the system works out and all. I wanna try a few things related to vehicles before allowing it to be used.
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Alright I didn't read the whole debate over what went on but here's how I go:
Gasoline: Fuel trucks which transport fuel to remote locations for storage over an extended period of time have a treatment in them to preent them from going 'stale'. Since Ineu is a part of the middle of nowhere, its plausible for these trucks and surrounding gas stations to have said treated fuel.
Diesel: Most older generators and a fair amount of trucks and cars (especially eastern) run on diesel fuel. If this diesel fuel is stored in a sealed container such as an oil drum or a long term fuel storage tank (see above) then the fuel will be perfectly fine as there is little to no oxygen to break down the fuel. One can actually test diesel fuel with a filter.
Bunker Power: The bunker runs off electricity from an underground hydroelectric generation station. The bunker was a secret installment by the USSR and they build said damn for secrecy and to be off the grid.
As for RP aspect, when I did Leonard with the Airboat and other alliance vehicles, I would ICly leave Ineu for a couple days every 3 weeks to replenish food and fuel.
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Because there's definitely no gas stations in the vicinity of the valley and nobody ever ventures out there to get gas. Bullshit.
It's simple, just make people auth for gasoline every week or so from gas station outside the valley for whatever they may need it for. I don't see the reasoning in this, but if it's that big a deal and it's ruining roleplay so much that you need us to apply for it, then so be it..
Because, y'know, three cars in the ENTIRE outlands is just such a burden on roleplay.
All that gas would go bad, 1 or 10000 miles away from the pass, it would still be bad.
Even being kept in those tanks at the gas stations? Well, boy... Maybe you're right... but you're pretty much saying that all of our favorite post-apocalyptic or similar games have no roleplay value simply because the fuel is overpowered, in a way.
Fallout New Vegas, when the bombers use that plane? OH GOD, THEY SHOULD'VE DIED UPON LIFTOFF, THE FUEL WAS BAD!
Gordon Freeman? His car should never have gone anywhere, the fuel was bad.
All those Severance servers on Garrysmod? After a time, all their cars should just go kaput!
Dead Island? Oh Lord, where are they getting all this fuel!
And finally, closer to home, DayZ. OH GOD, IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR SINCE IT'S RELEASE, EVEN MORE! WHY ARE ALL THESE ASSHOLES DRIVING HUEYS AND BUSES IF THERE'S SOUR FUEL? OH GOD!
Well. It seems there's a giant hole in the gaming community. It puts such a burden on me that my favorite games aren't realistic to the very hundredth of a percent, we should ruin roleplay for those in outlands who use vehicles!
You are taking other franchise universes and applying it to Half-Life 2 which has more differences and similiarities such as canon wise, location, year, characters, environment, etcetera etcetera. Get my drift?
You are responsible for using said vehicle and you must be lucky too but remember, you deserve more harsh roleplaying because people have to walk around the whole map without transportation and you know what I mean by that. I have yet to see someone with more than three paragraphs using a vehicle but I haven't seen one yet. Not that I am wanting you to do that but what I am saying is that I never saw someone with excellent roleplaying in a few years other than other servers but that's just me pushing luck.
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Alright I didn't read the whole debate over what went on but here's how I go:
Gasoline: Fuel trucks which transport fuel to remote locations for storage over an extended period of time have a treatment in them to preent them from going 'stale'. Since Ineu is a part of the middle of nowhere, its plausible for these trucks and surrounding gas stations to have said treated fuel.
Diesel: Most older generators and a fair amount of trucks and cars (especially eastern) run on diesel fuel. If this diesel fuel is stored in a sealed container such as an oil drum or a long term fuel storage tank (see above) then the fuel will be perfectly fine as there is little to no oxygen to break down the fuel. One can actually test diesel fuel with a filter.
Bunker Power: The bunker runs off electricity from an underground hydroelectric generation station. The bunker was a secret installment by the USSR and they build said damn for secrecy and to be off the grid.
As for RP aspect, when I did Leonard with the Airboat and other alliance vehicles, I would ICly leave Ineu for a couple days every 3 weeks to replenish food and fuel.
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For the canon and realism. This makes the most sense. When Delta uses the jalopy (The one he stole from the alliance when the bunker blew up and the alliance was disbanded) he ensures it's for a short time and he is always checking fuel. There are a couple of places where Delta has hidden fuel (for emergencies) but he gets the majority from outside of Ineu. Delta (through his previous adventures) knows of a couple of resistance outposts with vehicles. He supplies his car with fuel from there and takes some extra. He would do some work/trade supplies then go back to Ineu. Like Len, Delta ensures there is RP in a car, not just quick transport.
Also, i know of 5 vehicles, may have been more but as far as i know:
The alliance had 3: A jeep (Now with Blackfur's character)
A jalopy (With Delta)
An Airboat (Unknown owner)
Then there is Statua's Truck
And someone mentioned Bean's had something
The people with these vehicles i trust do the correct RP and as has been mentioned. You can't be 100% realistic, no game is. If the correct RP is put in, i see no problems.
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Alright I didn't read the whole debate over what went on but here's how I go:
Gasoline: Fuel trucks which transport fuel to remote locations for storage over an extended period of time have a treatment in them to preent them from going 'stale'. Since Ineu is a part of the middle of nowhere, its plausible for these trucks and surrounding gas stations to have said treated fuel.
Diesel: Most older generators and a fair amount of trucks and cars (especially eastern) run on diesel fuel. If this diesel fuel is stored in a sealed container such as an oil drum or a long term fuel storage tank (see above) then the fuel will be perfectly fine as there is little to no oxygen to break down the fuel. One can actually test diesel fuel with a filter.
Bunker Power: The bunker runs off electricity from an underground hydroelectric generation station. The bunker was a secret installment by the USSR and they build said damn for secrecy and to be off the grid.
As for RP aspect, when I did Leonard with the Airboat and other alliance vehicles, I would ICly leave Ineu for a couple days every 3 weeks to replenish food and fuel.
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For the canon and realism. This makes the most sense. When Delta uses the jalopy (The one he stole from the alliance when the bunker blew up and the alliance was disbanded) he ensures it's for a short time and he is always checking fuel. There are a couple of places where Delta has hidden fuel (for emergencies) but he gets the majority from outside of Ineu. Delta (through his previous adventures) knows of a couple of resistance outposts with vehicles. He supplies his car with fuel from there and takes some extra. He would do some work/trade supplies then go back to Ineu. Like Len, Delta ensures there is RP in a car, not just quick transport.
Also, i know of 5 vehicles, may have been more but as far as i know:
The alliance had 3: A jeep (Now with Blackfur's character)
A jalopy (With Delta)
An Airboat (Unknown owner)
Then there is Statua's Truck
And someone mentioned Bean's had something
The people with these vehicles i trust do the correct RP and as has been mentioned. You can't be 100% realistic, no game is. If the correct RP is put in, i see no problems.
Agreed. Now let's just end it. It's not that big a burden to RP, and in fact, I didn't really actually know that fuel went stale after a while, probably along with a lot of other people.
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It does. Working at gas bar, I see lots of guys who bring summer vehicles, add a treatment, then add a bit of gas to store it over the winter.
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You guys also need to understand this-
If we make the server EXTREMELY realistic, the server will end up dying fast. Not everyone's on the same page and not everyone's on the exact same timeline. There's new people joining every single day. If we shrivel everything down to the point where we're just using basic things, that makes it unentertaining for those who are just recently joining, or people who worked their asses off for auths.
You'll ruin the experience for everyone, leaving only the first people who play on the server all the luxury items. Plus, we're stuck on the same map, with the same kind of things every day. Get over it, let these things "regenerate.", it adds a healthy experience for newbs and lengthy roleplay.
TL;DR: It's a game, keep it fresh.
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You guys also need to understand this-
If we make the server EXTREMELY realistic, the server will end up dying fast. Not everyone's on the same page and not everyone's on the exact same timeline. There's new people joining every single day. If we shrivel everything down to the point where we're just using basic things, that makes it unentertaining for those who are just recently joining, or people who worked their asses off for auths.
You'll ruin the experience for everyone, leaving only the first people who play on the server all the luxury items. Plus, we're stuck on the same map, with the same kind of things every day. Get over it, let these things "regenerate.", it adds a healthy experience for newbs and lengthy roleplay.
TL;DR: It's a game, keep it fresh.
I agree in every way with this.
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You guys also need to understand this-
If we make the server EXTREMELY realistic, the server will end up dying fast. Not everyone's on the same page and not everyone's on the exact same timeline. There's new people joining every single day. If we shrivel everything down to the point where we're just using basic things, that makes it unentertaining for those who are just recently joining, or people who worked their asses off for auths.
You'll ruin the experience for everyone, leaving only the first people who play on the server all the luxury items. Plus, we're stuck on the same map, with the same kind of things every day. Get over it, let these things "regenerate.", it adds a healthy experience for newbs and lengthy roleplay.
TL;DR: It's a game, keep it fresh.
My words exactly.
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Now that you've said about treating it, why not spend a week icly hunting for whatever it is you stick in to treat the gas/fuel and all that shit? Along with antifreeze and winter prepping cars and shit, you could even GROW YOUR OWN FUEL. Yes, you must think im an idiot, saying grow your own, but if you perhaps found somebody who knew about it or read up on some books you found while scavenging, you could find that growing certain oils(eg, vegetable oil works instead of motor oil) you could grow biofuels and shit.
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Now that you've said about treating it, why not spend a week icly hunting for whatever it is you stick in to treat the gas/fuel and all that shit? Along with antifreeze and winter prepping cars and shit, you could even GROW YOUR OWN FUEL. Yes, you must think im an idiot, saying grow your own, but if you perhaps found somebody who knew about it or read up on some books you found while scavenging, you could find that growing certain oils(eg, vegetable oil works instead of motor oil) you could grow biofuels and shit.
Don't you need a auth for that?
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Now that you've said about treating it, why not spend a week icly hunting for whatever it is you stick in to treat the gas/fuel and all that shit? Along with antifreeze and winter prepping cars and shit, you could even GROW YOUR OWN FUEL. Yes, you must think im an idiot, saying grow your own, but if you perhaps found somebody who knew about it or read up on some books you found while scavenging, you could find that growing certain oils(eg, vegetable oil works instead of motor oil) you could grow biofuels and shit.
Don't you need a auth for that?
Most likely, but its something else to do RP wise, as I mean, you can do a grow your own book dummies guide thing but rather than it working have a complete failure and so on. Possibilities are endless.
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Now that you've said about treating it, why not spend a week icly hunting for whatever it is you stick in to treat the gas/fuel and all that shit? Along with antifreeze and winter prepping cars and shit, you could even GROW YOUR OWN FUEL. Yes, you must think im an idiot, saying grow your own, but if you perhaps found somebody who knew about it or read up on some books you found while scavenging, you could find that growing certain oils(eg, vegetable oil works instead of motor oil) you could grow biofuels and shit.
Don't you need a auth for that?
Most likely, but its something else to do RP wise, as I mean, you can do a grow your own book dummies guide thing but rather than it working have a complete failure and so on. Possibilities are endless.
The clinic was going to have a garden, but someone fucking blew it up(Looking at you OTA) yeah growing the fuel should work given the fact that most of the cars in Outlands should use Soviet Era engines and parts(Which ran on diesel according to someone on the forums) would take bio-diesel with out modification.
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Even so, theres probably the same way to change it around to making bio-petrol/gas also, though I know hardly anything of the topic.
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Even so, theres probably the same way to change it around to making bio-petrol/gas also, though I know hardly anything of the topic.
No actually. Synthetic yes but you need a multimillion dollar lab to do so. Biodiesel you can make in your kitchen with knowledge
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Even so, theres probably the same way to change it around to making bio-petrol/gas also, though I know hardly anything of the topic.
No actually. Synthetic yes but you need a multimillion dollar lab to do so. Biodiesel you can make in your kitchen with knowledge
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Well, my mistake about petrol then but biodiesel can be done then, as it seems like the jalopy and that run off diesels anyway and as said before.
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You guys also need to understand this-
If we make the server EXTREMELY realistic, the server will end up dying fast. Not everyone's on the same page and not everyone's on the exact same timeline. There's new people joining every single day. If we shrivel everything down to the point where we're just using basic things, that makes it unentertaining for those who are just recently joining, or people who worked their asses off for auths.
You'll ruin the experience for everyone, leaving only the first people who play on the server all the luxury items. Plus, we're stuck on the same map, with the same kind of things every day. Get over it, let these things "regenerate.", it adds a healthy experience for newbs and lengthy roleplay.
TL;DR: It's a game, keep it fresh.
Exactly why i stopped playing the rp for a while. I came to outlands to develop a story for my character as well as trying to for other people, i shouldn't have to break my fucking back to get an auth to grow a melon seed (Which is an example)... People say it all the time...
-Where did you get the seed?
-How did you get it in good condition?
-It will take you irl a month to icly grow it
-What good soil did you used to grow it?
No matter what it is you are authing for or what you are doing in-game, you always have to have some sort of plan for that one thing before you do it. And since we are talking about fuel supply... Look at the movie I am Legend. It's 3 years later and there is a scene of him pumping fuel in his car from a regular gas station... But the movie tries to make a survival procedure as real as it can get.
We all go through this thing where we get competitive over our superiority of auths but what the fuck... I never understood the point of having to make it more real than any other rp game i have played.