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Half-Life 2 Roleplay => Archive => HL2RP Development[ARCHIVE] => Denied PK Appeals => Topic started by: Mr.Qman on July 22, 2012, 12:15:31 AM
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** UU.OTA.PHANTOM-4.21121 takes out the charge, applying it to the door.
UU.OTA.PHANTOM-4.21121 yells "<:: Don't move!"
At this time, me Candyman, Ocelot, and aurther where hiding in the top floor room I ICly made
UU.OTA.OWC.77447 yells "<:: Come out"
UU.OTA.PHANTOM-4.21121 says "<:: Move out."
** Ocelot Diabloux begins to walk towards authority.
** UU.OTA.PHANTOM-4.21121 walks up, aiming his AR2 inside.
[UU.OTA.PHANTOM-4.21121 yells "<:: Armed civilian! Lower the weapon!"
UU.OTA.OWC.77447 says "<:: Viscon on subject."
UU.OTA.PHANTOM-4.21121 yells "<:: Now!"
** Aurther Seymore climbs inside of the table and closes down the hatch.
UU.OTA.OWC.77447 radios in "<:: Confirm Viscom."
** Steven 'Candyman' Rhodes rolls his shoulders, sighing.
** UU.OTA.PHANTOM-4.21121 raises his sights on the man, trained carefully on him.
At this momment OTA units, and an overwatch unit swarmed the room. Arren Kain, and Aurhter seymore where hiding. Arren was in a crate that was in the room, and Aurther was in a metal table, that I ICly added a hidden latch onto it. So it was all conceled
** Steven 'Candyman' Rhodes grunts, squeezing the trigger and firing at the soldier.
** UU.OTA.PHANTOM-4.21121 presses against the wall as he takes a shot, his kevlar absorbing the bulk of the shots as he presses the -
** -AR2 trigger, unloading several pulse rounds towards the mans torso.
** Steven 'Candyman' Rhodes grunts as he is hit by the pulse rounds, he clutches his gut, collapsing.
[LOOC] Arren Kain: Which by the way has hidden latches that no one knows about except the people I told :P
UU.OTA.OWC.77447 yells "<:: Overwatch, report."
** UU.OTA.PHANTOM-4.21121 walks forward, glaring down at his kevlar before calling over his shoulder. "Two confirmed targets, hostile down."
** UU.OTA.VANGUARD-6.22965 moves in to the room, confirming the citizen is down while keeping his AR2 trained on the citizen that had the SMG.
** Steven 'Candyman' Rhodes groans, clutching his wounded stomach as he writhes on the ground.
UU.OTA.VANGUARD-6.22965 radios in "<:: Subject down but alive. Confirmed to be latest BOL for Candyman."
UU.OTA.OWC.77447 says "<:: Terminate."
UU.OTA.VANGUARD-6.22965 says "<:: Copy."
** UU.OTA.VANGUARD-6.22965 aims at the man with his AR2 Pulse Rifle.
** Steven 'Candyman' Rhodes groans out his last words.
** UU.OTA.VANGUARD-6.22965 fires a three round burst into his head.
[Steven 'Candyman' Rhodes says "The Candyman....can...."
At this momment Steven Candyman Rhodes was killed and PK'd
UU.OTA.OWC.77447 yells "<:: Overwatch, Pacify remaining subjects, check for BOL."
** UU.OTA.PHANTOM-4.21121 slips out a tie, using his augmented strength in an attempt to bring his hands behind him
much.
** Ocelot Diabloux tied
UU.OTA.PHANTOM-4.21121 says "<:: Level two contraband located."
UU.OTA.OWC.77447 says "<:: Remove, destroy."
UU.OTA.PHANTOM-4.21121 says "<:: Copy."
** UU.OTA.PHANTOM-4.21121 takes out the radio, slipping it his bag, crushing it with his strength before slipping the parts inside.
** UU.OTA.VANGUARD-6.22965 reaches into his satchel and pulls out a few pounds of explosives, prepping them for the inevitable.
UU.OTA.VANGUARD-6.22965 says "<:: Explosives ready for termination."
** Ocelot Diabloux turns around and attempts to kick the Authority
** A small creak is heard, and shake from the top floor, as the surport beams are weak
The small creak was the surport beams begining to crack, as I was going to repair them with Aurther later
** UU.OTA.VANGUARD-6.22965 turns to the citizen being searched and aims his AR2 at the man.
UU.OTA.OWC.77447 says "<:: Plant explosives, ensure the corpse is effectively removed."
** The foor begins to slightly falter to the left as the support beams begin to crack.
** UU.OTA.PHANTOM-4.21121 steps back as he takes the kick, before stepping forward menacly before sending her butt of his AR2 toward-
** -s the mans face.
** Ocelot Diabloux is butted in the face, and winces. "Fucking kill me already you tool!"
** Ocelot Diabloux head butts the AR and attempts a second kick.
** UU.OTA.VANGUARD-6.22965 turns back to the explosives and arms them, grabbing the body and dragging it out to the walkway.
ed.
** UU.OTA.PHANTOM-4.21121 steps back once again, taking aim for the mans face and firing.
** The support beams loudly crack and split, causing them to fall to the earth along with the floor.
** UU.OTA.PHANTOM-4.21121 boom headshot.
** Ocelot Diabloux shot in the head.
UU.OTA.OWC.77447 says "<:: Primary Objective complete, move out for secondary Objective."
UU.OTA.VANGUARD-6.22965 says "<:: Copy."
So pretty much what happened was a scanner unit took a picture of steven somewhere. Then OTA unit's /magically/ found our place and which they would not tell me how, only in response "We have our ways." Which to me sounds like they metagame'd or something. As we don't leave our base, nor do we get seen entering it a lot.
The surport beams fell collapsing the room, as Arren, and Aurther both fell to to floor, alright as the fall is not to bad, and nothing collapsed on them. The OTA units said OOCly it was 3 pounds of C4, then they walked out the door and blew it up with a remote detinator. I had a plan to grab a metal wall, and the metal table. Push it to the corner of the complex, waiting for it to explode, as we are protected by metal walls. But isntead they shot us after putting explosive barrels in the place. So they killed us while we attempted to Roleplay, OOCly we said Hey hold on we where RPing. Then I was allowed a friendly PK screen.
OTA units didn't allow RP and PK'd us even when we had a shot at survival. And what really bugs me is how do they just walk out the door and blow up an entire building? You would hafto evacuate the area or the building would hurt you. They just walked out, shot us, then blew it up at the doorstep. I tried to resolve this with Sexy Frog and here is the OOC steam chat|Reminder I was angry at the time.|
Blue2Wolfz: You where an OTA unit on there right?
Blue2Wolfz: How the hell did you find out base? From one picture of candyman?
Sexy Frog: We have ways
Blue2Wolfz: Explain them then.
Blue2Wolfz: Because if you can't. Outright bullshit.
Sexy Frog: I cannot explain them
Blue2Wolfz: Then bull....
Sexy Frog: Because it will reveal a lot of shit I shouldnt tell
Blue2Wolfz: You could have let us RP shit at least.
Blue2Wolfz: Instead of killing and PK'ing us.
Sexy Frog: We had an operation to complete, don't blame me.
Blue2Wolfz: I will blame all of you, you came in from nowhere. Killed us, didn't let us RP or even have ONE chance that you would have said no to anyways, no matter how clever that shit was.
Blue2Wolfz: Do you always blow up places after an operation?
Blue2Wolfz: OR was it really because I oocly told you we where hiding?
Sexy Frog: What? You did?
Sexy Frog: I didn't see.
Blue2Wolfz: Yeah.
Blue2Wolfz: We where RP'ing shit, and you just shot out heads.
Blue2Wolfz: So wtf/
Blue2Wolfz: We even said it oocly.
Blue2Wolfz: And you sohuld have noticed.
Sexy Frog: I only shot two people
Sexy Frog: Both RP'd
Blue2Wolfz: Wait, I didn't really understand what you just said.
Blue2Wolfz: YOu are telling me that you shot two Role playing citziens?
Sexy Frog: Yes.
Sexy Frog: Candy and Ocelot
Blue2Wolfz: Oh, and by the way. You would need to evacuate further away to use that much explosives. Debree.
Blue2Wolfz: You don't walk out the door and boom. Because that shit would hit you.
Sexy Frog: Once again, not me.
Blue2Wolfz: Does that shit matter? Y ou where a part of it. So you should know the others motives. Who detonated it?
Sexy Frog: I don't understand why I'm getting the rage for this. Two people have already angrily steam messaged me over this
Blue2Wolfz: Because you took part. And I want answers, and a fair game. You three enialaited our RP. We could of had some really nice and fun RP afterwords.
Blue2Wolfz: And hell, VAn can't even argue becausde admins will get pissed, and take the anger ICly and not allow his unit in.
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From what he has said, the location was given to an OTA OOCly through steam. Them using that information in order to find our hideout is the very definition of metagaming. While I do not have a problem with the method of my death, the picture that was taken of me was in a location far from the hideout. For OTA to even be dispatched is ridiculous, and considering the first place they struck was our hideout, I personally feel that the situation should be voided.
Voiding the situation would entail that all person(s) killed in the raid are un-permakilled, and all items lost are restored.
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Considering the scanner saw you at the Canals warehouse and that was the last known location, a OTA sweep of P3 was called begining with the last known location. So no, it was not metagamed.
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Considering the scanner saw you at the Canals warehouse and that was the last known location, a OTA sweep of P3 was called begining with the last known location. So no, it was not metagamed.
The scanner never RP'd snapping a picture of me, nor did it ever actually take a picture.
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I find here, that your just complaining because you were killed.
Understandable, but making an appeal of out this? Its not going to work.
We don't metagame, period. As RTLK said, the scanner identified all of you, and gave us your location.
Also, you did not tell us that you were trying to roleplay, your props fell apart, and you said that you were all magically fine, minus a broken bone and some scratches, and stayed hidden inside of your props.
So we left, and blew up the explosives, and we shot you after that, because we couldn't Actually make you explode, but you would have died anyways.
Considering the scanner saw you at the Canals warehouse and that was the last known location, a OTA sweep of P3 was called begining with the last known location. So no, it was not metagamed.
The scanner never RP'd snapping a picture of me, nor did it ever actually take a picture.
Yeah, it did. It tooks several pictures, I was there, watching.
And why did you bother Frog/211? Me and RTLK were still on the server, both admins, and I am the Overwatch Commander, and yet you didn't ask us a single thing?
Anyways, any other complaints?
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Yeah, it did. It tooks several pictures, I was there, watching.
I'll admit it snapped pictures of me near the P3 apartments, but I did not see a single /me near the hideout. While the scanner could identify my location based on that, I doubt OTA would be able to locate the hideaway.
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Yeah, it did. It tooks several pictures, I was there, watching.
I'll admit it snapped pictures of me near the P3 apartments, but I did not see a single /me near the hideout. While the scanner could identify my location based on that, I doubt OTA would be able to locate the hideaway.
It didn't just 'identify your location' it watched you go into the warehouse, and then reported it in. When the raid began, that was the first place we looked, and it just so happened that you hadn't left the building.
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I have an issue with this PK. Not because I'm friends with Sectus or I want Candyman for ZEALOT. But because- in my opinion, this situation was meta'd.
I'll begin by what I'm told. I was told by Kom that the pictures were taken of Candyman, fair enough. Although. How would they know it's him? We don't have a clear description of him. This is Candyman's description: Black,Blue Clothes,Brown boots, Black hair.
I assume the scanner's camera alerts the central command when it's found someone of either matching description to something in the BOL list or if it's found someone with a similar face- assuming we already have a face-scan. Do you know how many hundreds upon thousands of African Americans would have a similar description to that? Black. Blue Clothes, Brown boots. Black Hair. You have got to be fucking me.
10:32 PM - Kom'??: Candyman is BOL, his description and such is common knowledge, that's how we confirmed it was him.
By the way, it isn't common knowledge. Just because someone is infamous- it doesn't mean their face is known. In this case, the CCA did not know what Candyman looked like.
Everyone who is black in City 45 matches that description. But- lets assume the scanner somehow figured out what he would look like. Even then, it's incorrect. Candyman is white. Therefore, the description labeled is mis-leading and a scanner- even if operated by a person, would not find Candyman because our known description is off.
So- they apparently took a picture from a far distance. Fair enough, combine tech is unknown. But the interesting part is how they OOCly knew to take a picture of him.
10:31 PM - Kom'??: And the pictures?
10:31 PM - Kom'??: Scanners have the ability to see the name of whoever they are following
10:32 PM - Kom'??: Its not metagaming, its how hl2rp is coded
10:32 PM - Orange: That's metagaming.
RTLK knew who to take pictures of because of the alt-follow function. Knowing it was him OOCly was also meta'd.
Nearly every aspect of this PK was meta'd. Mostly on RTLK's end. There was nothing that would lead him to take pictures of that man and ID him as Candyman. Absolutely nothing. As for the actual raid, I'll admit that- had the rest not been meta'd, they would've found him eventually considering how small P3 is.
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And as he said before, there was not a single /me involved in taking the picture. So not only would it be metagame, it would also be powergame.
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WHile I wasn't present for the event, I do have some history with The Candyman considering my Forensics team had a case against him.
In the Forensics case against Steven Rhodes, finger prints of his were found. They were used to positively identify him as the killer. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that this case was his first murder. Now, it's safe to assume, due to the fact that scanners can snap pictures of damn near any citizen in C45 and come back with a data page for them, that if we have a fingerprint to compare to the ones found, then we at least have a picture of him that the scanners to use.
While I believe some of the situation may have been metagamed, the part where "The scanner wouldn't have turned back a positive ID on The Candyman" is false based on the fact that his manifest had a fingerprint that we could use to compare to the one found at the scene. This shows that at one point, he was processed by the combine, and his fingerprints were collected, which I think it's safe to assume that they would have at the same time collected a picture from him to use for scanners.
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Just a side note, the idea of a scanner having to "snap" an image is ridiculous, considering it's Combine technology and we already have near-instant facial recognition these days. It would all be very nearly instant, I know in HL2 it's not but for all we know there's no ranks in the CCA either
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Just a side note, the idea of a scanner having to "snap" an image is ridiculous, considering it's Combine technology and we already have near-instant facial recognition these days. It would all be very nearly instant, I know in HL2 it's not but for all we know there's no ranks in the CCA either
The way I see it is a scanner would need to capture the first image to upload for recognition, then the scanner would be able to identify on sight (without any need for a picture) while that is still in its system, the system being cleared when it returns to the Nexus.
And for those who say a scanner doesn't randomly snap pictures: Play HL2 again.
As for this server, when a scanner goes into P3 or is even in P1 it would be taking pictures and uploading them for processing to gain information as to if a suspected BOL is found. While in P3 I was doing this and, with RP, snapped a picture of people in the group by the subway entrance. I did not know at all that Candyman was there until I found out when finding out who I took pictures of. I flew into the sky as you were throwing bottles at me, then returned after reporting it to the Commander via radio. Everyone was gone so I reported retreat by citizens into apartments and bar as that is where it would be most likely to go. I was then ordered to resume sweep, which I did by finishing then returning through the Canal area. I saw a group of citizens near the warehouse and (as explained above) the scanner was able to recognize Candyman as a Priority One BOL after receiving the information earlier. Once again flew into the sky, made the report, then returned to the Nexus where the Commander had received the information and called in Overwatch to perform a precinct sweep as it was current information.
Staying at the warehouse was your own fault. Once the scanner saw you, you should have booked it to a new location.
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And why did you bother Frog/211? Me and RTLK were still on the server, both admins, and I am the Overwatch Commander, and yet you didn't ask us a single thing?
I didn't know what OTA unit's OOC name except Frogs.
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WHile I wasn't present for the event, I do have some history with The Candyman considering my Forensics team had a case against him.
In the Forensics case against Steven Rhodes, finger prints of his were found. They were used to positively identify him as the killer. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that this case was his first murder. Now, it's safe to assume, due to the fact that scanners can snap pictures of damn near any citizen in C45 and come back with a data page for them, that if we have a fingerprint to compare to the ones found, then we at least have a picture of him that the scanners to use.
While I believe some of the situation may have been metagamed, the part where "The scanner wouldn't have turned back a positive ID on The Candyman" is false based on the fact that his manifest had a fingerprint that we could use to compare to the one found at the scene. This shows that at one point, he was processed by the combine, and his fingerprints were collected, which I think it's safe to assume that they would have at the same time collected a picture from him to use for scanners.
In order for that to work, you would need an orignial copy of his fingerprint to match the finger print that the forensics team has reached.Which means that he would've needed to be detained and there would've needed to be some RP in it. I'm pretty sure that one copy of a fingerprint can indentify Candyman.
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WHile I wasn't present for the event, I do have some history with The Candyman considering my Forensics team had a case against him.
In the Forensics case against Steven Rhodes, finger prints of his were found. They were used to positively identify him as the killer. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that this case was his first murder. Now, it's safe to assume, due to the fact that scanners can snap pictures of damn near any citizen in C45 and come back with a data page for them, that if we have a fingerprint to compare to the ones found, then we at least have a picture of him that the scanners to use.
While I believe some of the situation may have been metagamed, the part where "The scanner wouldn't have turned back a positive ID on The Candyman" is false based on the fact that his manifest had a fingerprint that we could use to compare to the one found at the scene. This shows that at one point, he was processed by the combine, and his fingerprints were collected, which I think it's safe to assume that they would have at the same time collected a picture from him to use for scanners.
In order for that to work, you would need an orignial copy of his fingerprint to match the finger print that the forensics team has reached.Which means that he would've needed to be detained and there would've needed to be some RP in it. I'm pretty sure that one copy of a fingerprint can indentify Candyman.
Well, let's be logical about this. Scanners can use a photo to trace the manifest of any citizen. Not every citizen has been detained. Because of this, we can assume that the Combine process their citizens before throwing them into cities. This is when fingerprints, blood samples, etc. are collected.
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How in the holy hell would a scanner 10-15 feet above whoever they're trying to snap a picture of manage to get a clear shot of the fingerprints? If you look at your fingerprints right now from head height to keyboard, you can't see them. Yes, we had fingerprints. But it's not like candyman was throwing his hands up and allowing the scanner to observe them.
I did not know at all that Candyman was there until I found out when finding out who I took pictures of.
How did you know it was him? Because that sentence doesn't make sense. I made it clear that due to the CCA's limited information on candyman, there was nothing that would lead you to ID him unless he raised his hands and allowed you to take a pretty picture of his fingerprints.
I saw a group of citizens near the warehouse and (as explained above) the scanner was able to recognize Candyman as a Priority One BOL after receiving the information earlier.
Again, how? You cannot simply know someone is a BOL just because they're a high priority.
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Orange, let me just say what I'm gathering from this.
The forensics team found a murder from the Candyman. At that murder scene, they were able to pull fingerprints of the suspected killer and who the Candyman was, matching it to Steven Rhodes. His fingerprints would have been taken, due to the fact he is a citizen of the UU. This connection was posted on the manifest and his general data.
The scanner was then flying around P3, and happened to see Steven Rhodes. It snapped a picture of his face, looking up his manifest. RTLK's scanner then made the report that the suspected Candyman was in P3.
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But the thing is, now you're just finding reasons to keep this meta'd PK. The PK itself was meta'd, when RTLK took pictures of Candyman- he wasn't doing it because he knew we had the fingerprints or any of this other shit. And who's to say that we took a picture of Rhodes? Maybe we never took a picture of Rhodes.
If we have never seen Rhodes or his face isn't in our database, then we can't just take pictures and say it's him. It was never stated in his BOL information that we knew what he looked like or that we had his fingerprints or ANYTHING. Since it was not written down, that's your fault. Now you can't use that to justify a PK.
Or if that's how you'd like to play it, then you can say goodbye to Rebel RP. Because if that's the case. I will implement it every time I do a ZEALOT operation and I will use this scanner BS to RUIN rebel RP.
At this point you're only helping out those who wish to root rebel RP out.
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Alright, I've let this all slide, and let lots of others who are not involved with this, post thier opinions and such.
Orange, its obvious that your just getting mad, so to avoid anything being created here, I am restricting this thread to Admins, and those Directly involved only.
If you post and you were not Directly involved, your post will be deleted.
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Alright, I've let this all slide, and let lots of others who are not involved with this, post thier opinions and such.
Orange, its obvious that your just getting mad, so to avoid anything being created here, I am restricting this thread to Admins, and those Directly involved only.
If you post and you were not Directly involved, your post will be deleted.
Could you please argue Orange's points? So far nobody has bothered to combat them.
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Alright, I've let this all slide, and let lots of others who are not involved with this, post thier opinions and such.
Orange, its obvious that your just getting mad, so to avoid anything being created here, I am restricting this thread to Admins, and those Directly involved only.
If you post and you were not Directly involved, your post will be deleted.
Could you please argue Orange's points? So far nobody has bothered to combat them.
They were already argued, by others in this thread, go read then entire posts please. They are valid and legit, and it only takes a small bit of logic to understand.
EDIT: I'm my tiredness, I didn't even think about this. This thread is not about Candyman, its about two others characters who got PKd in the raid. Please stick to the OP.
EDIT2: I just noticed again... The OP isn't even in the correct format. Please edit it, and do it correctly.
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Alright, I've let this all slide, and let lots of others who are not involved with this, post thier opinions and such.
Orange, its obvious that your just getting mad, so to avoid anything being created here, I am restricting this thread to Admins, and those Directly involved only.
If you post and you were not Directly involved, your post will be deleted.
Could you please argue Orange's points? So far nobody has bothered to combat them.
They were already argued, by others in this thread, go read then entire posts please. They are valid and legit, and it only takes a small bit of logic to understand.
EDIT: I'm my tiredness, I didn't even think about this. This thread is not about Candyman, its about two others characters who got PKd in the raid. Please stick to the OP.
EDIT2: I just noticed again... The OP isn't even in the correct format. Please edit it, and do it correctly.
It's pretty clear that Orange's point is one that cannot be crossed. Everyone that challenges it is basically saying that the CCA knows his face through a picture through forensics. I'm pretty sure forensics isn't ot a high enough caliber to register a breif, (Un-RP'd/ no /me.) picture of the back of his head and say it was Candyman.
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Alright, I've let this all slide, and let lots of others who are not involved with this, post thier opinions and such.
Orange, its obvious that your just getting mad, so to avoid anything being created here, I am restricting this thread to Admins, and those Directly involved only.
If you post and you were not Directly involved, your post will be deleted.
Could you please argue Orange's points? So far nobody has bothered to combat them.
They were already argued, by others in this thread, go read then entire posts please. They are valid and legit, and it only takes a small bit of logic to understand.
EDIT: I'm my tiredness, I didn't even think about this. This thread is not about Candyman, its about two others characters who got PKd in the raid. Please stick to the OP.
EDIT2: I just noticed again... The OP isn't even in the correct format. Please edit it, and do it correctly.
It's pretty clear that Orange's point is one that cannot be crossed. Everyone that challenges it is basically saying that the CCA knows his face through a picture through forensics. I'm pretty sure forensics isn't ot a high enough caliber to register a breif, (Un-RP'd/ no /me.) picture of the back of his head and say it was Candyman.
Where are you getting this from? Everything was roleplayed, with /me's, and reactions, and we got a clear shot of not only Candyman, but several other citizens that were in the area as well.
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Are you guys even still interesting in this? If no replies within a few days, this will be denied.
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I'm still slightly interested in this. I'm just waiting for admin intervention. My friend really didn't want his character back(Ocelot) and I kinda want my character back(Aurther). I don't know about BlueWolf(Arren) he might still want his character back.
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I would like Candyman back if at all possible. It was a really interesting character to roleplay with, and I put a lot of effort into it. Personally I still feel the situation was meta'd.
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As per a GRID+UU discussion many months ago, scanners do not need a face to ID a citizen. Upon the closure of the 7HW, every citizen was processed, and given a CID - photos, fingerprints, and most importantly; limb proportions and ratios. Essentially, without significant distortion to your body (more than just clothing and adult growth) you can be ID'd and tagged. To be an unprocessed citizen, you must have a corresponding auth app. Unprocessed citizens are a huge priority to be hunted down.
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As per a GRID+UU discussion many months ago, scanners do not need a face to ID a citizen. Upon the closure of the 7HW, every citizen was processed, and given a CID - photos, fingerprints, and most importantly; limb proportions and ratios. Essentially, without significant distortion to your body (more than just clothing and adult growth) you can be ID'd and tagged. To be an unprocessed citizen, you must have a corresponding auth app. Unprocessed citizens are a huge priority to be hunted down.
So....are you saying that they could find his whereabouts through fingerprints?
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Any citizen that is within a City has be Processed. (minus those with auth's who avoided it somehow)
This means the Combine has every single bit of data about a person. Biological data (Fingerprints, Retina Scan Data, DNA), photos from every angle, everything.
There are many, many ways to ID a citizen, and a Scanner has access to quite a few instruments to properly ID anyone it comes across.
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In the start of Hl2 when you enter c17 (the home of breen, who is the important human to the combine) you are not checked and they don't do all of these measurements.
Also, for citizens previously livinging there, how would they measure them if they avoid the combine?
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Quite literally as soon as you step off that train, you're flashed by a scanner. Then you go through a further checkpoint within the trainstation (Which Gordon Freeman fails, assumingly due to not being a registered citizen). Once leaving the trainstation and into the plaza, every single checkpoint into another plaza/prcient/district/whatever you'll notice requires citizens to perform a facial recognizition (or something similar) scan to enter.
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In the start of Hl2 when you enter c17 (the home of breen, who is the important human to the combine) you are not checked and they don't do all of these measurements.
Doesn't mean they haven't processed you before putting you on train, what is more likely due to fact they probably sort people into different cities basing on some filters.
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So basically what you are saying is that the UU know everything about everyone all the time no matter what? Why should we have BOL's that include descriptions, or that lack names and such? Seeing that we know everything about everyone, shouldn't all of the information be filled out?
Either way, this is going to completely crush resistance RP.
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Nobody said that was how we ran it. You decided to start bringing up what happens in Half Life 2, a game made distinctly not for serious roleplay. That's why almost all Half Life 2 roleplayer servers are not considered "Canon", and the few that did try to stick to it all the way died out quickly.
Basically it's all moot. We use Half Life 2 for the setting and take few things from it, so trying to compare something that's in HL2 to a server in gmod is pretty much useless.
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If I have a wool-knit balaclava covering my character's head along with a pair of tinted shades (lets say 20% opacity) and my hands are in my pockets, am I able to be identified?
What is the minimum distance a scanner would have to be away from me to identify me?
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Again, we're getting a bit off topic her.
Fact is: The scanner got clean, clear shots of everyone it encountered.
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If I can't have an answer to a legit question then I'm afraid I can't support keeping these characters permakilled as I just don't see how a character can be identified with ridiculously overpowered scanners.
The appeal has my full support.
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Scanners need to have some limits. I understand that you could ride that whole "Union tech is unknown" thing around the world and back, but seriously, there need to be limits to keep it reasonable. The union shouldn't be able to just automatically know who you are if they ever get a picture of you. It would've been reasonable had the scanner had an accurate description of me, which it did not.
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Scanners do have limits, as for thier 'range', when following a player, you get within a certain distance of them, I would concider this the Most effective range, while in this range, a scanner can get the clearest, most detailed picture of a person.
And this is exactly what happened with our scanner, it got up close and personal, and took photos of Everyone in the area.
I've stated all of this before. Everything said has already been refuted an argued and exhausted.
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The only reason the scanner even got close to me was because it knew my name from a distance, which would be metagaming, since scanners can only tell your name once they've taken a photo, right?
He would've used the alt function to meta my name from a distance.
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No, we were not after you at all. Infact, we weren't after anyone. The scanner was doing an authorized patrol of P3, and you just so happened to be there, along with Everyone else. The scanner took photos of everyone it came across, not just you.
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So...is this following HL2 Canon or CG canon? Because I was told there is a thin line between the two. Two big ones were Processing and the Resistance. In which case, I did not see a scanner in the trainstation when I spawned. I heard this from a multitude of sources, so it's not based off my own knowledge.
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CG does have its own version of HL2RP canon, and there is a fine line, obviously, as we base most everything from the original HL2 Canon, but we don't Strictly abide by just HL2 Canon, else hl2rp would be incredibly boring.
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Right well, we are currently waiting for when Kronic returns to pass judgement.
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So how does the scanner know anybodies names? I would imagine the combine make a database of the citizen if he is relocated to another city. And I recall someone saying the scanner saw Candyman at the P-3 apartments and took a picture of him, then followed him to the warehouse and didn't take any more pictures except the one at the apartments, and I think SmT said scanners don't need to snap a picture I looked up on the half life wiki|Scanners are equipped with a searchlight and a camera used to take photographic images.| So if the scanner didn't take any more pictures I guess it can be considered metagaming. And even if it did snap a picture of steven, the current last seen description was that he was black, and something way off. Why would the scanner follow someone who does not have the same description as the database? Wouldn't it's programming just avert it to something more important? There is all sorts of confusion going on because we are not sure how the City Scanner actually works.
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The HL2 wiki is sketchy at best - it can only be counted on for general canon, CG's being rather different.
To repeat our scanner canon for a second time:
At the end of the war, EVERY citzen was processed, and given a CID. Everything about them was filed away. Unprocessed citizens require auth.
Scanners ID based on body proportions, and do not need a face/still image. The closer the proximity, the faster the identification. Scanners constantly record. The camera is for super high def photos.
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So pretty much, all that going on means that if there is a scanner around. You are screwed no matter what? Unless you had a way to destroy it quickly. Pretty over powered in my opinion, if you are in the database. So why did you have a description in the first place? Seeming how 1 scanner unit can crush resistance RP if one in nearby.
And what do you mean by body proportions? Let's say there was a twin, one with homicide and other multiple level 1 offences, and the other a loyalist. How would the scanner tell the difference of the two?
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Oh yea that is right, the description they got for Candyman was a black male and a female accompliance.
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Why would the scanner follow someone who does not have the same description as the database?
The scanner took photos of everyone it came across, not just you.
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The whole point of being an anti-citizen, is that you're a fugative attempting to survive in an extremely hostile Orwellian world. You stay inside, and keep your head down, just as you would if there were P3 patrols. Scanners compensate.
The identical twins would probably trigger a mis-ID 50% of the time.
ICily the description available would have been much more in depth.
Please stop making me repeat myself, and actually read up.
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I have my very doubts on this...
By reading everything in the OP, I can tell that the end of it (When exploding the building and killing the hiding two) was very poorly handled by the OTA. They should not have just killed the two. It would've been better if they waited and allowed the two to RP the situation and decide by themselves if they died from the explosion, or attempted to survive.
I see this basically the same as someone using: "/me pulls the trigger" and then really shooting the other person without allowing the other person to react to the situation, and 'play to lose' it himself.
I also find it questionable why the OTA would blow up the building to begin with. Who knows what kind of information about the rebels would be located there that could've been used by the CCA? So this indeed hints to the fact OTA (metagamed?) the fact there were two citizens hiding in the room. So they just blew it up to get rid of them
By the outcome of the poorly handled PKs. I'd say give them another chance to properly RP the situation, except of just shooting them because you think they would be dead by the explosion.
In other words: I throw in my support on this appeal.
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I know I have my own opinions.. some of which I keep to myself, some of which I let the world know because I feel its needed. I don't like taking sides or making it seem as I am biased in any situation I come across, because I am not. I looked at the evidence and I heard all the complaints and the people that told me sure had good backup on the situation and as to what they were saying. You might think it was not played fairly, indeed you might say that they metagamed it to find you. Scanners work in a way like no other, they record everything they see, obviously with video recording. They take photos of everything to get a better understanding or view of things, the more detail the better. After taking this into perspective, the raid they did was legit, they knew where you were based on the information given by this scanner. They knew it was Candyman because he was already in the database and it picked him right up. They presumed to sending in a COTA team to handle the situation. However, I do feel as to the RP that was done during this raid on your area was a bit under RPed.
I would ACCEPT this, but, you did not follow the right format... so.. DENIED