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Title: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: GeneralTrivium on November 05, 2011, 08:00:27 AM
So it has come to this. I have nothing to lose so I believe I’ll take this opportunity to do some serious calling out of certain individuals. I won’t go into my story because it won’t make a bit of difference.

Abbott

When you first joined the CCA and climbed up to the ranks of 02/03 you were great. You were a reliable friend and I enjoyed our banter in Vent. However, since you were given operator and promoted up to OfC you’ve turned into a bit of a… Prick (IC and OOC). I’m sorry to say it that way but I’m not here to fancy up my words and I am not the only one to think this. It’s saddened me that you’ve turned into this person, and perhaps I pointing this out to you will be a wakeup call? I think power has turned you in to this person, and unless you want to be disliked by a lot of people I suggest changing your attitude. Be the person you were at 02/03 because that’s the Abbott everyone knows and loves.

RTLK/Karma

You are the biggest problem the CCA has right now. You make excuses to not get crucial stuff done and simply use your position of power to be a badass IC. I can go even further and say you act like a SeC OOCly as well. Do you even remember the last time you were a regular unit? I doubt it, because you seem to have an inherent lack of empathy for anyone DvL and below. The only reason you’re still keeping this position of power is because you’re in bed with roflwaffle, and would probably make a hissy fit and stop developing for the script if you were taken down from your SeC position. Can you prove me wrong?

Roflwaffle

I don’t really know you. But from the decisions I’ve seen you make you’re just really… *facepalm* I don’t think there’s a word. Just lots and lots of favouritism and illogical decisions, I won’t go into it.

Here’s a question posed to both RTLK and Roflwaffle;
What future plans do you have for this community?

The answer to this question is not just for me, but for everyone.

Those are the negatives out of the way.

Everyone Else (I don’t want to point out individuals in case of favouritism)

I do not regret coming to CG, I’ve had some very good RP here and made some good friends. There is just a minority of people who ruin the experience with their egos. To those of you in the CCA who have stuck by me, good luck in the future I sincerely hope that it gets brighter, because in its current state it’s just a mess of miscommunication, misinformation and favouritism. I managed to get quite far without having to step on other people’s toes to get there, but in the end the power hungry had their way and I was hung out to dry. Try not to let this happen to you, and try not to let this community change who you are, because, hey, you can always leave, and when you start looking around you find places that you were missing out on.

On that note, I bid you adieu Catalyst Gaming, of course, those of you I know on Steam I will still talk to you. ;)
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: alaskan thunderfuck on November 05, 2011, 08:03:39 AM
"Favouritism and illogical decisions"
Elaborate.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: GeneralTrivium on November 05, 2011, 08:18:36 AM
"Favouritism and illogical decisions"
Elaborate.

Examples:

Abbott, you gave him operator after seeing him teaching a new player in the server whilst he was in vent. This is unfair to those who have been doing such things before he has, but weren't on at the right time or in the right place for you to notice.

Still keeping RTLK and Raiden on SeC when they're not doing their job correctly in that area. And the whole thing with toy, I have nothing against toy, but if you're not active to do your job you step down, this took far too long to happen.

Chunkey being demoted when he was the DvL APEX needed to get going and not just sitting around being another UNION.

Giving Zod SeC too late, he also was another figure who could have turned the CCA around for the better.

Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: alaskan thunderfuck on November 05, 2011, 08:29:24 AM
"Favouritism and illogical decisions"
Elaborate.

Examples:

Abbott, you gave him operator after seeing him teaching a new player in the server whilst he was in vent. This is unfair to those who have been doing such things before he has, but weren't on at the right time or in the right place for you to notice.

Still keeping RTLK and Raiden on SeC when they're not doing their job correctly in that area. And the whole thing with toy, I have nothing against toy, but if you're not active to do your job you step down, this took far too long to happen.

Chunkey being demoted when he was the DvL APEX needed to get going and not just sitting around being another UNION.

Giving Zod SeC too late, he also was another figure who could have turned the CCA around for the better.


Abbott wasn't given it just based on helping people, it was mainly admins recommending him for it.
I don't play HL2RP much at all and as a result have no idea what they aren't doing right, care to elaborate on that?
Wasn't my doing
Wasn't my doing
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: GeneralTrivium on November 05, 2011, 08:42:51 AM
I don't play HL2RP much at all and as a result have no idea what they aren't doing right, care to elaborate on that?

Chunkey being demoted when he was the DvL APEX needed to get going and not just sitting around being another UNION.

Giving Zod SeC too late, he also was another figure who could have turned the CCA around for the better.

Not "getting shit done", so to speak. The CCA is moving at a snails pace, we are on the information super highway, and yet when something needs doing, be it something like reviewing APEX or re-organizing GRID it never gets done. Even something as simple as organizing protocol for the S6HAP took over a week to sort out.

There is a lot of ambiguity in certain rules and regulations, the most specific example I can think of that applies to me is the loadout authorizations and specifications. Something as simple as not specifying the amount of such an item you can carry has landed me in the predicament I found myself in yesterday.

The main issue is the LACK of stuff being done.



Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: SoapANator on November 05, 2011, 09:44:21 AM
I agree with genereal's post.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: The Different Turret on November 05, 2011, 09:51:30 AM
Yes as much as I love CG and hl2rp I don't know if I can stay when my friends are being wronged and such said in this post.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Rictalspace on November 05, 2011, 10:16:19 AM
Abbott, you gave him operator after seeing him teaching a new player in the server whilst he was in vent. This is unfair to those who have been doing such things before he has, but weren't on at the right time or in the right place for you to notice.

I can agree and disagree on this.
I've been teaching about the same amount as Abbott, if not more (Before he became and Operator.) and I know that the whole Poll that Ghost made didn't help my chances, but it just seems that people who teach new players aren't as appreciated as they should be. I'm not saying that they should get operator/admin, but still.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: The Different Turret on November 05, 2011, 10:44:54 AM
Rictalspace, I'm surprised you're not, I've seen you help out a whole lot, like everyday you were teaching new players.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Darkshifter98 on November 05, 2011, 11:53:03 AM
Anyways, I do have to agree, the CCA is pretty unorganized. When I hop on my GRID unit I'm usually the only one on, thus I can't get trained. I haven't found many problems with Abbott, because IC, as the UNION OfC, he has to be touch on other units, you can't really be "Nice" as a HC officer. But I haven't really seen him being a prick OOC, probably because I've only played HL2RP with him. Now, don't get my wrong, RTLK as done some good things for HL2RP as well as CG, but if he's too busy making CG better to perform his dutys as a SeC, then he should step down, and give other HC units a chance at it, if they want of course. Same with the other SeCs.
Of course, this is just my two cents.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Pirate Robot on November 05, 2011, 01:20:11 PM
1. Yeah everyone wants admin, sad but true.
Most members act like robots the moment they achieve the position as admin and seem to think their know everything(while also acting patronising), this can come across as being a prick.
2. Karma, I would have to agree on (but who really cares...)

3. and RoflWaffle has done nothing wrong
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: The Doctor, RIP Juggernaut on November 05, 2011, 01:40:24 PM
To add on(In my opinion) Rofl its much less what you've done and more of what you HAVEN'T done.
Chunky being removed from DvL was more or less because he bitches a lot, not the "Inactivity" that karma says so(And if it is karma your the biggest fucking dick in the world, school>hl2rp).

Chunky is the best DvL by far and he gets removed for bullshit reasons, yet Leomarr(No offence) acts like a dick to every one and fucks up the recruit to 04 of any division so badly that I'd bypass it in a second because(It could have changed I haven't looked.) from what I've been able to make out in this cluster fuck of a CCA is that you have to do ALL of you UNION 04(Not recruit to 04 all the 04 training ON top of of the recruit bullshit) when they should learn this shit before they even fucking get 04 and if need be have the training's included with the rest of the training for the division.

And when I was DvL I didn't know what shit I could do and what I couldn't and when I asked I would get "Go die" and "I dunno" FROM both of the SeCs.....

Karma have you even changed the flag so FALCON can spawn their helicopters?

Command has its head so far up its own ass it can't see whats in front of them.

Hell I don't think there's any "Citizen RP" What so ever on the server because when I try on my citizen it gets fucked up by the CCA interfering with bullshit they shouldn't, we haven't had a resistance group last more than a month since the brotherhood because the CCA's full of ego-manics that WON'T let a resistance be just for the role-play.

/rant.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: kronik on November 05, 2011, 02:11:35 PM
     I honestly don't see any problems with any of the people you listed.  Abbott is a nice guy, good admin, and good OfC.  I haven't seen Rofl make any bad decisions really, I know he doesn't play much but he doesn't really have to, what we need is a new SeC..  RTLK is a very busy guy, if he's not doing dev work on the servers he's actually at work.  Every time I'm on my unit, I basically never see problems, except for the odd time when I'm the only one on. 

     As for problems with the CCA, this is how I see it:  There is not enough GRID at all, they have no OfC and I haven't seen the DvL much but we're in different time zones so I can't really say much about him.  NOVA has a good DvL and lately I've seen the OfC getting active, but they don't have enough members and I don't see them going anywhere.  When a unit gets injured there's almost never a NOVA unit on to do the medical work which is starting to get out of hand.  Obviously the thing about a SeC who actually has time to do shit is needed, but when Karma actually has time to get on I haven't seen him do anything wrong.  Anyways, that's how I feel about it.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: BltElite on November 05, 2011, 03:05:07 PM
If you don't realize, there is a lot that goes on that nobody see's. Including under the admin board, and the high command board(I hope.)

Also, if we didnt have karma and raiden as sec? Who the fuck would we? Nobody is a ideal candidate for the SeC rank.


Also, if you want to get shit done;

Make a list.
PM It to some sort of admin or high ranking person(prefrably a few of them).
Ask them once or twice to get it posted in relevant boards to get it done.


Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: GamingZealot on November 05, 2011, 03:16:03 PM
If you don't realize, there is a lot that goes on that nobody see's. Including under the admin board, and the high command board(I hope.)

Also, if we didnt have karma and raiden as sec? Who the fuck would we? Nobody is a ideal candidate for the SeC rank.


Also, if you want to get shit done;

Make a list.
PM It to some sort of admin or high ranking person(prefrably a few of them).
Ask them once or twice to get it posted in relevant boards to get it done.

Not necessarily true. In the APEX private forums we have had a post about some changes we want to make to APEX for going on 2 weeks and it still has yet to be looked at and approved by UU personal, despite them being asked several times. A lot of things simply don't get done.

To others:
Also, I don't think you can defend Abbott. His character has turned into a 100% dick since OFC, even more than you should be at OFC. He also speaks to any non-admins incredibly condescendingly and doesn't respect their opinions. Also, I'm gonna have to add Leo to the list of problem people for basically the same reasons as Abbott, except he has more power.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: BltElite on November 05, 2011, 03:18:15 PM
If you don't realize, there is a lot that goes on that nobody see's. Including under the admin board, and the high command board(I hope.)

Also, if we didnt have karma and raiden as sec? Who the fuck would we? Nobody is a ideal candidate for the SeC rank.


Also, if you want to get shit done;

Make a list.
PM It to some sort of admin or high ranking person(prefrably a few of them).
Ask them once or twice to get it posted in relevant boards to get it done.

Not necessarily true. In the APEX private forums we have had a post about some changes we want to make to APEX for going on 2 weeks and it still has yet to be looked at and approved by UU personal, despite them being asked several times. A lot of things simply don't get done.

To others:
Also, I don't think you can defend Abbott. His character has turned into a 100% dick since OFC, even more than you should be at OFC. He also speaks to any non-admins incredibly condescendingly and doesn't respect their opinions. Also, I'm gonna have to add Leo to the list of problem people for basically the same reasons as Abbott, except he has more power.

I do believe there is a rule about being a dick oocly. If you get proof, do a complaint.


And that leads to my suggestion;
Get a fucking active CmD; yes, i know theres skeptik, but we need more than one- toy is inactive, rofl has other things to do then rp, and nick has other ties within cg.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Adam S on November 05, 2011, 03:27:05 PM
If you don't realize, there is a lot that goes on that nobody see's. Including under the admin board, and the high command board(I hope.)

Also, if we didnt have karma and raiden as sec? Who the fuck would we? Nobody is a ideal candidate for the SeC rank.


Also, if you want to get shit done;

Make a list.
PM It to some sort of admin or high ranking person(prefrably a few of them).
Ask them once or twice to get it posted in relevant boards to get it done.

Not necessarily true. In the APEX private forums we have had a post about some changes we want to make to APEX for going on 2 weeks and it still has yet to be looked at and approved by UU personal, despite them being asked several times. A lot of things simply don't get done.

To others:
Also, I don't think you can defend Abbott. His character has turned into a 100% dick since OFC, even more than you should be at OFC. He also speaks to any non-admins incredibly condescendingly and doesn't respect their opinions. Also, I'm gonna have to add Leo to the list of problem people for basically the same reasons as Abbott, except he has more power.

I do believe there is a rule about being a dick oocly. If you get proof, do a complaint.


And that leads to my suggestion;
Get a fucking active CmD; yes, i know theres skeptik, but we need more than one- toy is inactive, rofl has other things to do then rp, and nick has other ties within cg.
How about we just get a new SeC whos going to be Active, can handle day to day operations, and not be a dick OOCly and get away with it.

CmD's are abit iffy also as Rofl was the only one ive seen on.

Good thing no ones said anything about the CWU.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: alaskan thunderfuck on November 05, 2011, 03:40:59 PM
Abbott, you gave him operator after seeing him teaching a new player in the server whilst he was in vent. This is unfair to those who have been doing such things before he has, but weren't on at the right time or in the right place for you to notice.

I can agree and disagree on this.
I've been teaching about the same amount as Abbott, if not more (Before he became and Operator.) and I know that the whole Poll that Ghost made didn't help my chances, but it just seems that people who teach new players aren't as appreciated as they should be. I'm not saying that they should get operator/admin, but still.
If you haven't gotten it, it is for a good reason. I saw you flaming people in MC yesterday which definitely doesn't help your chances. Wanting admin isn't going to get you it, chances are, it will kill any chances you have as it just shows me that all you give a fuck about is power and the last thing we need is more powerhungry people in this community.

As for the SeC ordeal, believe me, we've been looking for more. Not many people are fit and I'm afraid that the few who are will quit due to the stress it puts on them. If you've got a recommendation, feel free to PM me it.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: BltElite on November 05, 2011, 04:15:25 PM
Abbott, you gave him operator after seeing him teaching a new player in the server whilst he was in vent. This is unfair to those who have been doing such things before he has, but weren't on at the right time or in the right place for you to notice.

I can agree and disagree on this.
I've been teaching about the same amount as Abbott, if not more (Before he became and Operator.) and I know that the whole Poll that Ghost made didn't help my chances, but it just seems that people who teach new players aren't as appreciated as they should be. I'm not saying that they should get operator/admin, but still.
If you haven't gotten it, it is for a good reason. I saw you flaming people in MC yesterday which definitely doesn't help your chances. Wanting admin isn't going to get you it, chances are, it will kill any chances you have as it just shows me that all you give a fuck about is power and the last thing we need is more powerhungry people in this community.

As for the SeC ordeal, believe me, we've been looking for more. Not many people are fit and I'm afraid that the few who are will quit due to the stress it puts on them. If you've got a recommendation, feel free to PM me it.
To be honest, we may need a SeC, but having more would overcomplicate it, as you'd have too many people to deal with etc. If you had a few more CmD's, would probably work outbetter imo.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: aeiou on November 05, 2011, 04:33:05 PM
this community is really buttmad i ask why

Warning level increased- Trolling.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Calstifer on November 05, 2011, 05:04:52 PM
-snip-
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: agrum on November 05, 2011, 08:04:20 PM
I think we should lock this before it gets into a huge argument, well I guess it kind of already is. But the thing is, I don't really think people are gonna change in personality, by a post. They will stay the same.

Personality by a post, it sounds catchy. :P
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: LeoMarr on November 05, 2011, 08:04:27 PM
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To others:
Also, I don't think you can defend Abbott. His character has turned into a 100% dick since OFC, even more than you should be at OFC. He also speaks to any non-admins incredibly condescendingly and doesn't respect their opinions. Also, I'm gonna have to add Leo to the list of problem people for basically the same reasons as Abbott, except he has more power

You know, personally I believe that you are another underling to your God Wesker. But that's besides the point.
Just like others in that nest of ignorance you cannot back up your statements with actual evidence. I can claim anything, but not being able to prove it... well... that's expected. You complain that Abott's character is a 100% Dick. I've watched him on numerous occasion be strict. Which is what HC is supposed to be. But of course, being strict must make him a dick. Secondly, speaking to non-admins incredibly condescendingly? Let's see that evidence. Because. You can claim anything, but not being able to prove it is expected of Wesker's low-minded underlings. Oh by the way thank you for giving me a shoutout. I love that you call it a list of "Problem People" in my eyes, this list goes as follows: Abott, Leomarr. I wonder, does wesker help you guys make these threads? I mean, he seems to send you all here to complain.

What's funny is how much he has said that he is just running the server for money. Yet you all still flock to him. Let's look at the previous Weskers.

(http://lamutamu.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/amin_dada_lg.jpg) <- You probably won't know who this is, such a pity.
(http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/100310-kim-jong-il-north-korea-tm.jpg?w=262&h=350)
(http://www.glogster.com/media/2/8/50/68/8506804.jpg)
(http://images.wikia.com/althistory/images/5/5c/Mussolini.jpg)
(http://roomss6.wikispaces.com/file/view/AdolfHitlerPortrait.jpg/225424250/AdolfHitlerPortrait.jpg)

Behold The Fat Man. The perfect dictator. Perhaps we couldn't recognise it at the time but he would become the physical embodiment, an explicit symbol of the insatiable hunger bordering on self-destructive that permeated our ranks. It was never a question of choice;  Once offered a figure to rally behind and with no alternative our path was made clear. The effects of what had been put into motion back then still resonate and shape our truth- our reality to this day.

Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: cookiesofamerica on November 05, 2011, 08:11:46 PM
Quote
To others:
Also, I don't think you can defend Abbott. His character has turned into a 100% dick since OFC, even more than you should be at OFC. He also speaks to any non-admins incredibly condescendingly and doesn't respect their opinions. Also, I'm gonna have to add Leo to the list of problem people for basically the same reasons as Abbott, except he has more power

You know, personally I believe that you are another underling to your God Wesker. But that's besides the point.
Just like others in that nest of ignorance you cannot back up your statements with actual evidence. I can claim anything, but not being able to prove it... well... that's expected. You complain that Abott's character is a 100% Dick. I've watched him on numerous occasion be strict. Which is what HC is supposed to be. But of course, being strict must make him a dick. Secondly, speaking to non-admins incredibly condescendingly? Let's see that evidence. Because. You can claim anything, but not being able to prove it is expected of Wesker's low-minded underlings. Oh by the way thank you for giving me a shoutout. I love that you call it a list of "Problem People" in my eyes, this list goes as follows: Abott, Leomarr. I wonder, does wesker help you guys make these threads? I mean, he seems to send you all here to complain.

What's funny is how much he has said that he is just running the server for money. Yet you all still flock to him. Let's look at the previous Weskers.

(http://lamutamu.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/amin_dada_lg.jpg) <- You probably won't know who this is, such a pity.
(http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/100310-kim-jong-il-north-korea-tm.jpg?w=262&h=350)
(http://www.glogster.com/media/2/8/50/68/8506804.jpg)
(http://images.wikia.com/althistory/images/5/5c/Mussolini.jpg)
(http://roomss6.wikispaces.com/file/view/AdolfHitlerPortrait.jpg/225424250/AdolfHitlerPortrait.jpg)

Behold The Fat Man. The perfect dictator. Perhaps we couldn't recognise it at the time but he would become the physical embodiment, an explicit symbol of the insatiable hunger bordering on self-destructive that permeated our ranks. It was never a question of choice;  Once offered a figure to rally behind and with no alternative our path was made clear. The effects of what had been put into motion back then still resonate and shape our truth- our reality to this day.


Yes I would agree with you leo since a lot of them are sheeple (btw the first dictator you post is Idi Amin
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: agrum on November 05, 2011, 08:14:20 PM
Leo your post made me laugh. Those pictures!

You forgot Barack Obama.




Don't get mad, I was just joking.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: GamingZealot on November 05, 2011, 08:51:34 PM
Quote
To others:
Also, I don't think you can defend Abbott. His character has turned into a 100% dick since OFC, even more than you should be at OFC. He also speaks to any non-admins incredibly condescendingly and doesn't respect their opinions. Also, I'm gonna have to add Leo to the list of problem people for basically the same reasons as Abbott, except he has more power

You know, personally I believe that you are another underling to your God Wesker. But that's besides the point.
Just like others in that nest of ignorance you cannot back up your statements with actual evidence. I can claim anything, but not being able to prove it... well... that's expected. You complain that Abott's character is a 100% Dick. I've watched him on numerous occasion be strict. Which is what HC is supposed to be. But of course, being strict must make him a dick. Secondly, speaking to non-admins incredibly condescendingly? Let's see that evidence. Because. You can claim anything, but not being able to prove it is expected of Wesker's low-minded underlings. Oh by the way thank you for giving me a shoutout. I love that you call it a list of "Problem People" in my eyes, this list goes as follows: Abott, Leomarr. I wonder, does wesker help you guys make these threads? I mean, he seems to send you all here to complain.


Makes perfect sense since I hated wesker and shall dance on the grave of his short term at CG HL2RP. Regardless of your groundless assumptions of me liking wesker, let me address your other issues. Okay so first off, I’m not putting you two on trial like in admin complaints so evidence is unneeded as of yet. If necessary I shall start gathering said evidence but I was hoping it wouldn’t come to that and that you could change how you were behaving before it had to go to a formal complaint to ROFL/RTLK. Also, I can’t take screen shots of the second part because a lot of his talking down happens in vent, although I’m sure if I had thought of it at the time I could have screened a couple of events in game. I don’t need any of those at this point because you guys know you do it already and I’m just asking for it to stop. Finally, my list of  “Problem People” as you pointed out is not just you and Abbott. There are several people on the list but you come to the front of my mind simply because you are active and so I have seen this behavior of you and Abbott’s more recently and commonly. I would have hoped that if you were going to try and defend your behavior you could at least come up with a better way than just slapping a label on me as a follower of someone I have never been or wish to be assosiated with.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Ghosteh on November 05, 2011, 09:31:48 PM
Another problem is that Rofl barely spends time with his community from what I see (Sorry if i'm wrong.) .
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: lemonshit on November 05, 2011, 09:37:36 PM
Isn't it funny how there's a new topic on problems with HL2RP every week, but no one does shit about it and Waffle just goes LOL NOT MY FAULT
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: smt on November 05, 2011, 09:56:39 PM
cause everyone is like "if you dislike how its being ran then post an admin complaint" but then the admin complaints on RTLK magically vanish and the complaints thread on the server get ignored and shot down instantly
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: YankeeSamurai on November 05, 2011, 11:31:18 PM
I don't think "wasn't my doing" is a valid excuse for a person as high up as owner or "head developer," because at that level you can override and undo practically anything.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: SkeptiK on November 05, 2011, 11:41:18 PM
I'd say the main issue at hand is communication within all of high command. No one is told anything and the only way you find out something is when you go specificly go searching for that information and most of the time you do not know what you are looking for. Now, regarding Toy as SeC. He simply needs to be removed, he is NEVER active and to hold a position such as that you're required to be active. With Raiden I believe he does a good job as SeC but as I've been told he doesn't feel as he is kept in the circle of people who make the shots and left out of decisions. This is because we have more then one person who makes the shots, it fucks the entire chain of command if we have more then one SeC. Because we cannot determine whom to follow in choice making, and usually they will conflict.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Reimer on November 05, 2011, 11:48:46 PM
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Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: LeoMarr on November 05, 2011, 11:54:32 PM
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cause everyone is like "if you dislike how its being ran then post an admin complaint" but then the admin complaints on RTLK magically vanish and the complaints thread on the server get ignored and shot down instantly

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I also find it funny how all the complaints about Karma magically vanish. Could this perhaps be friend-politics on Rofl's part? Or is RTLK simply silencing all who hate him because that is what we now expect of a "leader" of his caliber.

Hi Wesker. Can you come here yourself? Your underlings aren't doing much of a job dismantling anything.
I can see wesker writing a book.
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Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Reimer on November 06, 2011, 12:00:24 AM
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Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Reimer on November 06, 2011, 12:15:27 AM
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Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: The Doctor, RIP Juggernaut on November 06, 2011, 12:31:52 AM
Alright before we break down to american politics(Slander wars) can we all just fucking grow up already?



Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: LeoMarr on November 06, 2011, 12:51:11 AM
Circle the dates? The threads are still open. You can still post in them. But hey, I see where this is going. Wesker, Remember when you told us that we wouldn't see karma for a very long time?

Why is he able to send texts? If he's in Jail as you say? Mein gott wesker you're falling to pieces.

Riemer explain how I've compared wesker to National Socialism? I've compared him to dictators. You would know this if you had a clear conscious on the matter. It's a pity that my opponents are such plebeians.

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It sounds like you are the nazi, leo, trying to spread bullshit in order to make everybody think that wesker's server is full of nazis and shitheads. Also, editing my post trying to conceal the truth is not going to help.  That brings us to the word of the day, kids. "PROPAGANDA"

Also, editing my post trying to conceal the truth is not going to help. Erm? Elaborate?
Oh right, You have zero. Shit you know, not sure how to respond to your attempts at villeinage.

Propaganda? I haven't seen that much hypocrisy in a while.

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It sounds like you are the nazi, leo, trying to spread bullshit in order to make everybody think that wesker's server is full of nazis and shitheads.

Spread bullshit?   I haven't seen that much hypocrisy in a while.


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Alright before we break down to american politics(Slander wars) can we all just fucking grow up already?
I see no personal attacks going on. Oh right more feeble attempts at villeinage.

Snipping your posts are we riemer? Giving up so soon? villeinage at it's finest.

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I also find it funny how all the complaints about Karma magically vanish. Could this perhaps be friend-politics on Rofl's part? Or is RTLK simply silencing all who hate him because that is what we now expect of a "leader" of his caliber.
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Why don't you circle the dates as well, leo?
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Also, leo. I am not an "underling" of wesker. I play on his server because I know where CG is going and I do not want to be a part of it. I do not think anybody that shares the views of those have left CG are affiliated with national socialism either, any "reasoning" otherwise is pure bullshit trying to make everyone who left CG look bad. Is it such a "nazi" thing to want to leave a place that is quickly becoming a shithole for a variety of reasons and create a place where like-minded people can gather and RP whilst distancing ourself from whence we came? It sounds like you are the nazi, leo, trying to spread bullshit in order to make everybody think that wesker's server is full of nazis and shitheads. Also, editing my post trying to conceal the truth is not going to help.  That brings us to the word of the day, kids. "PROPAGANDA"
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Reimer on November 06, 2011, 01:18:10 AM
I am finished with this argument. I am going to bed. Have fun typing furiously to find more ways to make me look bad while I sleep and dream of other matters.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Scratchie on November 06, 2011, 01:33:05 AM
You guys dont seem to realize the main fact:  We are looking for new CmD's, but NOONE is proving to be deserving of this.  Raiden and myself seem to speak of this at least once a week.

I'm not active IN GAME due to work obligations (I work graveyard which means I get to come on maybe an hour before I gotta go and sleep if I want to be at all useful) and when I am on I am usually taking care of some shit or bringing the new update.  This is why I am mostly OOC in the position as I am working behind the scenes (no, not coding) to bring the CCA to a new enlightnement you could say.  I rely on Raiden to do his shit in game and be the mostly IC SeC. 

I've been, and the DvL's can attest to this, working out kinks with systems that should be implemented soon to better our promotion periods and shit.  I am fucking tired of coming in one day to see a player as an 03, the next as an 02 then 3 days later an 01.  That, among other things, should not be happening and will be changing and already should have a few months ago when I bitched to high command about it at the time.

But yes, your constant complaining is falling on deaf ears.  I listen and am always referring to the issues to determine if something is a big enough issue that it needs attention or if it is just a small personal complaint as most seem to be.  RoflWaffle, even though this is his community, relies on the main three (Myself for HL2RP, Crap-Head for OCRP, and Tomasas for HRP) to keep this boat afloat.  And we do what we can.  I don't know how Tomasas' schedule is, but I know that Crap doesn't have much outside of school so he can do a lot.  Moral of this paragraph is you don't need to post a complaint thread over every small thing every week. 

Frankly it gets fucking annoying and does not help with getting shit done as it makes us ask the question: Why?  Why should we do this if all that we get are complaints and people bitching every time one small thing is done?  I know that I'm not the only one on either the dev or the administration team to ask those questions and think about just leaving.  It's not the fact that we don't enjoy it, its the fact that we keep these servers running, keep them updated and get new shit in, but not once do we ever get thanked just for doing that.  Yes, we get thanks for banning idiots, but we keep these servers online for you the community.  And constantly complaining and shit about every little thing (e.g. "Oh, RTLK's not active on his SeC and we don't see the shit he's doing behind the scenes other than code so he should be removed!", "Oh, I got removed from the CCA because I ignored an admin when I was setting a bad example!  Add me back or I quit!", "Oh, Nicknero called me a dick in ooc!  Rule 1! Demote!", "Oh, APEX is shit!")  Ask yourselves this:  Could you handle it?  The answer will most likely be no.  You may ask why we do it then.  It's because behind all the shit that you pile on us every day we enjoy the community and are able to do our part and still work through this shitpile that you place on us every minute of every day.

People need to realize that shit can't be done without the base to keep it on.  Like HL2RP administration for example as this is a theme in this thread.  To be a CG HL2RP administrator you need to: know HL2 canon, know how CG's canon alters from it, be able to rp well, show the ability to preform well under pressure, prove you know the rules, be level headed, show you will help players as needed, and more.  It's not just a popularity contest.  Take Rictal for example.  He's a good player, but I have yet to be able to assess a few portions that need to be done prior to admin being given.  This is partially because I am inactive, but I have not seen many reports of him in the admin section (and yes, we do talk about this for potential candidates.)  Now take Abbot.  He showed all the signs and was able to show himself to RoflWaffle to get past the final few and get into his operator position.

Oh, and in regards to activity, mostly mine and toys as examples.  Activity is implied as needed for higher ranking in the CCA.  But it is also a crapshoot as there are factors that can inhibit activity (such as a job and the intricacies of that) that are in fact allowed to be accounted for and lower the activity barrier.  This is how my activity does not cause a removal, seeing as my job is a big factor and I still attempt to get on as much as I can each day (though some days I am so tired I pass out for 17 hours after I get home.)  Then there are the situations where the lowered activity is generally alright as long as interest is still shown (home life and real life friends.)  Too much inactivity or not enough interest from this will get you removed.  Toy, who does have slight reason, does not have enough.  And for those of you who think he is still SeC, check the roster again (http://www.catalyst-gaming.net/index.php?page=ccaroster).  He has been demoted to CmD, and as soon as someone is found that can be accepted and work as a CmD and shows the ability to do so Toy will be the first gone.  He is now only a placeholder so as to keep the ratio alive (and for those who don't know: The HC ratio should be 2 SeC, 3 CmD.  It allows for timezones and for there to be two roles for SeC: IC and OOC.  Three CmD's allow for one to theoretically be avaliable at almost any time, once we get them selected that is.)
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: SkeptiK on November 06, 2011, 03:07:16 AM
You guys dont seem to realize the main fact:  We are looking for new CmD's, but NOONE is proving to be deserving of this.  Raiden and myself seem to speak of this at least once a week.

I'm not active IN GAME due to work obligations (I work graveyard which means I get to come on maybe an hour before I gotta go and sleep if I want to be at all useful) and when I am on I am usually taking care of some shit or bringing the new update.  This is why I am mostly OOC in the position as I am working behind the scenes (no, not coding) to bring the CCA to a new enlightnement you could say.  I rely on Raiden to do his shit in game and be the mostly IC SeC. 

I've been, and the DvL's can attest to this, working out kinks with systems that should be implemented soon to better our promotion periods and shit.  I am fucking tired of coming in one day to see a player as an 03, the next as an 02 then 3 days later an 01.  That, among other things, should not be happening and will be changing and already should have a few months ago when I bitched to high command about it at the time.

But yes, your constant complaining is falling on deaf ears.  I listen and am always referring to the issues to determine if something is a big enough issue that it needs attention or if it is just a small personal complaint as most seem to be.  RoflWaffle, even though this is his community, relies on the main three (Myself for HL2RP, Crap-Head for OCRP, and Tomasas for HRP) to keep this boat afloat.  And we do what we can.  I don't know how Tomasas' schedule is, but I know that Crap doesn't have much outside of school so he can do a lot.  Moral of this paragraph is you don't need to post a complaint thread over every small thing every week. 

Frankly it gets fucking annoying and does not help with getting shit done as it makes us ask the question: Why?  Why should we do this if all that we get are complaints and people bitching every time one small thing is done?  I know that I'm not the only one on either the dev or the administration team to ask those questions and think about just leaving.  It's not the fact that we don't enjoy it, its the fact that we keep these servers running, keep them updated and get new shit in, but not once do we ever get thanked just for doing that.  Yes, we get thanks for banning idiots, but we keep these servers online for you the community.  And constantly complaining and shit about every little thing (e.g. "Oh, RTLK's not active on his SeC and we don't see the shit he's doing behind the scenes other than code so he should be removed!", "Oh, I got removed from the CCA because I ignored an admin when I was setting a bad example!  Add me back or I quit!", "Oh, Nicknero called me a dick in ooc!  Rule 1! Demote!", "Oh, APEX is shit!")  Ask yourselves this:  Could you handle it?  The answer will most likely be no.  You may ask why we do it then.  It's because behind all the shit that you pile on us every day we enjoy the community and are able to do our part and still work through this shitpile that you place on us every minute of every day.

People need to realize that shit can't be done without the base to keep it on.  Like HL2RP administration for example as this is a theme in this thread.  To be a CG HL2RP administrator you need to: know HL2 canon, know how CG's canon alters from it, be able to rp well, show the ability to preform well under pressure, prove you know the rules, be level headed, show you will help players as needed, and more.  It's not just a popularity contest.  Take Rictal for example.  He's a good player, but I have yet to be able to assess a few portions that need to be done prior to admin being given.  This is partially because I am inactive, but I have not seen many reports of him in the admin section (and yes, we do talk about this for potential candidates.)  Now take Abbot.  He showed all the signs and was able to show himself to RoflWaffle to get past the final few and get into his operator position.

Oh, and in regards to activity, mostly mine and toys as examples.  Activity is implied as needed for higher ranking in the CCA.  But it is also a crapshoot as there are factors that can inhibit activity (such as a job and the intricacies of that) that are in fact allowed to be accounted for and lower the activity barrier.  This is how my activity does not cause a removal, seeing as my job is a big factor and I still attempt to get on as much as I can each day (though some days I am so tired I pass out for 17 hours after I get home.)  Then there are the situations where the lowered activity is generally alright as long as interest is still shown (home life and real life friends.)  Too much inactivity or not enough interest from this will get you removed.  Toy, who does have slight reason, does not have enough.  And for those of you who think he is still SeC, check the roster again (http://www.catalyst-gaming.net/index.php?page=ccaroster).  He has been demoted to CmD, and as soon as someone is found that can be accepted and work as a CmD and shows the ability to do so Toy will be the first gone.  He is now only a placeholder so as to keep the ratio alive (and for those who don't know: The HC ratio should be 2 SeC, 3 CmD.  It allows for timezones and for there to be two roles for SeC: IC and OOC.  Three CmD's allow for one to theoretically be avaliable at almost any time, once we get them selected that is.)

Holy shit wall of text, but in what you have said I believe people will wake up and smell the coffee. I believe most of the administration know what type of job you do for the community. You have a lot on your plate and your right not a lot of people would be able to deal with all that BS. I for one appreciate the attempts you make and I believe myself one for the few people who have had the chance to experience what's it's like to make the shots. Although not all your idea have been great, you have proven that you make a lot of good ideas and keep HL2RP updated as well as monitor the forums.

You have certain flaws but everyone do, I think it's just personality conflicts that stir up all this shit. CBFed writing any more.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: BltElite on November 06, 2011, 04:09:13 AM
And karma wraps up the wrap up.

One thing of karma's;

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I know that I'm not the only one on either the dev or the administration team to ask those questions and think about just leaving.  It's not the fact that we don't enjoy it, its the fact that we keep these servers running, keep them updated and get new shit in, but not once do we ever get thanked just for doing that.
You guys may think we have to do it, but we don't. We could literally do our job(Ban minges and help new people) and that would be it. You wouldn't get new shit except bug fixes. But when our dev's add stuff, I never see anybody say thank you, maybe 1 or 2, bt thats it. What reallys happens is;

+Update
+One or two say thanks or ask a good question which is answered.
-A few days later, 50 people complain about 1 little bug.
-Devs get pissed off.


Anyway;
Like karma's said, we don't have people ready for any high ranks. And like a lot of us have said; we don't need another SeC, it will overcomplicate everything. IF you guys DO have ideas for people to be CmD, then fucking PM an admin or karma, or raiden.
Just remember; raiden's a SeC too guys. Just because hes aus doesn't mean you leave him out. And i see it a lot. You involve skeptik(just an example here) but nearly all the time, except to moan, you leave raiden out. It pisses him off. It makes him angry, and sad. And then, that washes down to other people, and it pisses people off because you guys just moan, and don't actually suggest much, just go durr fix cca its shit. Or go lol demote matt hes shit. You don't give reasons why, you don't give ways to go about fixing it, you just moan.

It.Pisses.A.Lot.Of.Admins.Off.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: SkeptiK on November 06, 2011, 04:21:10 AM
And karma wraps up the wrap up.

One thing of karma's;

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I know that I'm not the only one on either the dev or the administration team to ask those questions and think about just leaving.  It's not the fact that we don't enjoy it, its the fact that we keep these servers running, keep them updated and get new shit in, but not once do we ever get thanked just for doing that.
You guys may think we have to do it, but we don't. We could literally do our job(Ban minges and help new people) and that would be it. You wouldn't get new shit except bug fixes. But when our dev's add stuff, I never see anybody say thank you, maybe 1 or 2, bt thats it. What reallys happens is;

+Update
+One or two say thanks or ask a good question which is answered.
-A few days later, 50 people complain about 1 little bug.
-Devs get pissed off.


Anyway;
Like karma's said, we don't have people ready for any high ranks. And like a lot of us have said; we don't need another SeC, it will overcomplicate everything. IF you guys DO have ideas for people to be CmD, then fucking PM an admin or karma, or raiden.
Just remember; raiden's a SeC too guys. Just because hes aus doesn't mean you leave him out. And i see it a lot. You involve skeptik(just an example here) but nearly all the time, except to moan, you leave raiden out. It pisses him off. It makes him angry, and sad. And then, that washes down to other people, and it pisses people off because you guys just moan, and don't actually suggest much, just go durr fix cca its shit. Or go lol demote matt hes shit. You don't give reasons why, you don't give ways to go about fixing it, you just moan.

It.Pisses.A.Lot.Of.Admins.Off.

Good words... 100% agree. I don't see many people at all thanking the Dev's for the extremely good work they do. If people just looked at RTLK differently treated him with some of the shit he deserves maybe he would act differently.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: BltElite on November 06, 2011, 04:26:52 AM
I think one of the reasons people moan at rtlk more than anybody else was what he did awhile ago, but shit changes people.
Like some guy said;

Forgive your enemies, but never, ever, forget their name! - JFK

You can forgive karma, he is human, not a robot like most of you expect the admin team/dev team to be.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Veran120 on November 06, 2011, 05:21:39 AM
While we may have disagreed in the past, I have to say that what you've written here is indeed truth.

I'm not active IN GAME due to work obligations (I work graveyard which means I get to come on maybe an hour before I gotta go and sleep if I want to be at all useful) and when I am on I am usually taking care of some shit or bringing the new update.  This is why I am mostly OOC in the position as I am working behind the scenes (no, not coding) to bring the CCA to a new enlightnement you could say.  I rely on Raiden to do his shit in game and be the mostly IC SeC.
Let's put it clear guys. As RTLK said, Real Life > HL2RP. Especially if it comes to job, from which you still have money to live. Imagine a situation where he says "Fuck it." to his boss and job, and drop it so he can be more active on HL2RP. Sure, he'll be more active, but for how long? Until they take his house and all things.

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But yes, your constant complaining is falling on deaf ears.  I listen and am always referring to the issues to determine if something is a big enough issue that it needs attention or if it is just a small personal complaint as most seem to be.  RoflWaffle, even though this is his community, relies on the main three (Myself for HL2RP, Crap-Head for OCRP, and Tomasas for HRP) to keep this boat afloat.  And we do what we can.  I don't know how Tomasas' schedule is, but I know that Crap doesn't have much outside of school so he can do a lot.  Moral of this paragraph is you don't need to post a complaint thread over every small thing every week. 
Crap-Head is doing great job for OCRP, simply epic & great. Tomasas is doing damn great job for HRP, and you're doing a great job for HL2RP as well. Maybe not all of your decisions are as good as they could be but surely 95% of them are the good and helping ones.

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Frankly it gets fucking annoying and does not help with getting shit done as it makes us ask the question: Why?  Why should we do this if all that we get are complaints and people bitching every time one small thing is done?  I know that I'm not the only one on either the dev or the administration team to ask those questions and think about just leaving.  It's not the fact that we don't enjoy it, its the fact that we keep these servers running, keep them updated and get new shit in, but not once do we ever get thanked just for doing that.  Yes, we get thanks for banning idiots, but we keep these servers online for you the community.  And constantly complaining and shit about every little thing (e.g. "Oh, RTLK's not active on his SeC and we don't see the shit he's doing behind the scenes other than code so he should be removed!", "Oh, I got removed from the CCA because I ignored an admin when I was setting a bad example!  Add me back or I quit!", "Oh, Nicknero called me a dick in ooc!  Rule 1! Demote!", "Oh, APEX is shit!")  Ask yourselves this:  Could you handle it?  The answer will most likely be no.  You may ask why we do it then.  It's because behind all the shit that you pile on us every day we enjoy the community and are able to do our part and still work through this shitpile that you place on us every minute of every day.
You guys should be damn GRATEFUL that he still codes for us. Lua is not easy job, and takes a lot of time to write correct and optimized code. Don't whine at him for not being active all the time. We have operators and normal administrators to take care of kicking/banning, handling whitelists and so on. SAs are for organising things. Surely, he is OOC SeC, but due to the fact he knows that he cannot be online so much, he gave the IC SeC position to Raiden. And HE'S the one to who you should bring complaints/suggestions. He's the SeC as well, no matter of what time zone. He can decide as well, and if he's not sure about something, he'll catch RTLK and discuss it with him. Easy enough?

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People need to realize that shit can't be done without the base to keep it on.  Like HL2RP administration for example as this is a theme in this thread.  To be a CG HL2RP administrator you need to: know HL2 canon, know how CG's canon alters from it, be able to rp well, show the ability to preform well under pressure, prove you know the rules, be level headed, show you will help players as needed, and more.  It's not just a popularity contest.  Take Rictal for example.  He's a good player, but I have yet to be able to assess a few portions that need to be done prior to admin being given.  This is partially because I am inactive, but I have not seen many reports of him in the admin section (and yes, we do talk about this for potential candidates.)  Now take Abbot.  He showed all the signs and was able to show himself to RoflWaffle to get past the final few and get into his operator position.
I honestly had no problems with Abbott, I like him. He's a very good player.
But about what you've said: If you guys know that someone could be a good admin, PM it to Rofl, RTLK. They'll check it.

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Oh, and in regards to activity, mostly mine and toys as examples.  Activity is implied as needed for higher ranking in the CCA.  But it is also a crapshoot as there are factors that can inhibit activity (such as a job and the intricacies of that) that are in fact allowed to be accounted for and lower the activity barrier.  This is how my activity does not cause a removal, seeing as my job is a big factor and I still attempt to get on as much as I can each day (though some days I am so tired I pass out for 17 hours after I get home.)
What I already said, people should be grateful that he still finds this much time to be on HL2RP and code stuff.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: smt on November 06, 2011, 05:42:59 AM
-infact nvm i dont want to be attacked by leomarrs creepying fucking hitler quotes, obviously the admins will support eachother whatever the case-
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: GamingZealot on November 06, 2011, 08:18:36 AM
Its nice to see the admins point of view on the matter from the ones who will take the time to defend themselves instead of just throwing around wesker loving socialist. I would like to appologize for my lack of thought and thanking the Devs like RTLK and Crap-Head. I would like to take this time to thank you all and the dedicated admins for what you do and putting up with us. I know it doesn't mean much comming from me, but I appologize for the insults I threw at some of you at various times, as I wasn't thinking at what you do that I don't see.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Teitoku Ippan on November 06, 2011, 08:40:39 AM
I would like to mention that what I do as my Officer is In-Character. The reason I act strict is because I must be strict with what I do, with applications, punishments, reminding units of the rules, warning them, blackmarking them, etc. I do not give one unit more leniance than the others, I treat everyone equal. That also happens OOCly, I am strict with server rules, and no matter who it is who is breaking them, whether it is a minge to a complete veteran, everybody is treated equally and gets the same from me. For example, I am friends with the The Joke, yet I had to deny his CCA application for having not meeting requirements, treating his application just like any other equally. I am grateful that Rofl and the other administrators trusted me with this position, and I will continue to uphold the server rules and make roleplaying experience more interesting for people, whilst also assisting people when it is calm, such as helping them build an apartment room, or teaching them something new such as how to roleplay correctly if they are new. As admins we should be a role model to new players and any players.

I am not bothered if you hate me or like me, all I wish to do is do my job as Officer and Operator peacefully as it can be, and uphold the rules on the server and also make roleplay for people interesting and enjoyable.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: raiden on November 06, 2011, 09:01:02 AM
I'm going to be repeating what the majority of the people have already said but I don't care because you guys need to let this sink into your brains (for those who don't realise), I will be bolding some words so people sink it in more. I am a Sectorial Commander working alongside with RTLK both ICly and OOCly which RoflWaffle gave to me. We both rely on each other to carry out tasks if either of us can't perform it due to personal reasons or priorities. Anyone who lays every damn thing on one individual, in this case RTLK and expects it to be done on your timeline then you're naive. I want you to bring your problems, complaints and/or suggestions to me because it is my job to help you with what ever you need. I am the same Sectorial Commander as RTLK with the same amount of permissions as RTLK thus can do anything that RTLK can do with the power a Sectorial Commander holds. RTLK has priorities with work and other real life things like myself such as school but this is why we have 2 Sectorial Commanders in two different timezones so why not take that into account before rushing into yelling at someone to do something for you? I don't know how many times it can be repeated in one thread. It is not RTLK's fault if you are pushing anything and everything CCA related onto his plate and the request you put forward doesn't get completed, instead it's yours for not going to other people such as myself.

Done with the wall of text but I hope now people are clear or clearer on this and hopefully more of you will think a bit more before "hur nuthing gets done".

(Sorry if there are spelling mistakes or something that doesn't make sense, it was 1 hour past midnight when I made this reply.)
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: GamingZealot on November 06, 2011, 09:38:02 AM
I would like to mention that what I do as my Officer is In-Character. The reason I act strict is because I must be strict with what I do, with applications, punishments, reminding units of the rules, warning them, blackmarking them, etc. I do not give one unit more leniance than the others, I treat everyone equal. That also happens OOCly, I am strict with server rules, and no matter who it is who is breaking them, whether it is a minge to a complete veteran, everybody is treated equally and gets the same from me. For example, I am friends with the The Joke, yet I had to deny his CCA application for having not meeting requirements, treating his application just like any other equally. I am grateful that Rofl and the other administrators trusted me with this position, and I will continue to uphold the server rules and make roleplaying experience more interesting for people, whilst also assisting people when it is calm, such as helping them build an apartment room, or teaching them something new such as how to roleplay correctly if they are new. As admins we should be a role model to new players and any players.

I am not bothered if you hate me or like me, all I wish to do is do my job as Officer and Operator peacefully as it can be, and uphold the rules on the server and also make roleplay for people interesting and enjoyable.

I guess it doesn’t really matter if you don’t care whether people like you, but I will elaborate a bit in response. When you are IC on your OFC, you are right in that you can be as strict or as nice as you want (within cannon), so even if I don’t personally agree with how you act, it’s just my opinion and you aren’t really doing anything wrong. OOC is different; however, in that you can’t act like a OFC would OOC, in game, on the forums, or in vent. I have had experiences with you in vent and in game where you came off very condescending and disrespectful. I believe you enjoy wielding your power too much. The event that comes to mind is obviously 435’s execution since it happened recently. You already know what happened so I’m just going to point out the parts that bothered me. When you went about punishing 435, 3 different officers disagreed with your choice and what did you do? Well, instead of discussing it with us in either IC or OOC to come to a solution, you just ignored us and went to go get Leo to come on and ignore us as well, pull rank, and do as he wished on your word. In addition to this, I joined vent to see what was going on and I joined to see you egging each other on to greater punishments for 435 because he A) Was carrying 2 pistols as he was told he was allowed to by 313 B) Tried to tell you he was allowed to then backed down when you threatened him. I had to bite my tongue from just cursing out you and Leo in the middle of vent chat while I was listening and eventually just left in disgust. Here is an example of what I believe needs to change.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: ??. McBullet on November 06, 2011, 09:43:13 AM
Well, this has been very eye-opening to me. Let me share my viewpoints on RTLK.

At first, I really thought you were a good guy. You were pretty charismatic, rising through the ranks easily, and you got a lot done. I was overjoyed when we could finally circumvent Rofl and go straight to you for issues. I felt that you were the savior of CG whereas Rofl was not. To me, Roflwaffle has represented the inattentive, unconcerned king on a throne. He waits for others to inform him rather than taking any initiative to get things moving. Being his community, he has the ability to circumvent the rules. Sure, this is understandable... but is it respectable? I believe that the most respected leader is the one who eats the same food as his men, worries about his people before himself, and lives in the same conditions as his men. Rofl sits up there, playing APB whereas most of his crucial posts are simple one-liners. I'll stop talking about rofl now.

However, after you made some very callous and stubborn decisions, probably at the height of your stress, I started to view you as a contemptuous, lazy person with a stark immaturity when it came to dealing with people fairly. I also respected you less by your response to the issues you stated on your leave thread (Getting sleep =/= fixing the problem. Confronting your true issues = fixing the problem.). I still feel strongly about the latter reason, so I'll stop right there about it.

Then, your inactivity... I felt that you were becoming another Rofl. And yet, in all my time since the fall of your popularity in CG, I had not thanked you properly for a lot of things you did. With the coming of Wesker, I had started to feel conflicted. Who was right about you? Roflwaffle or Wesker? After some serious thought, I decided to stop giving a shit about being on either side. With my new-found neutrality, I feel a heightened sense of freedom to tell you....

Thank you, RTLK, for all your have done for the community. I apologize for anything I've said either to you or behind your back. I know you've fucked up, but we all fuck up from time to time. We're gamers, not gods. Not one of us is perfect in any way. Not one of us can truly say we handle things 100 percent fairly. Not one of us could truly say we have not been influenced by the corruptible indulgences in favoritism. But, a popular saying (In the mind of bullet) is as follows, "It takes 10 good deeds to erase a bad one, and likewise it takes one bad deed to erase ten good ones." I do believe that you need to work on doing what the majority of people would want and listen to the public more. (Perhaps do a referendum like you did with the switch to C11. That was really decent of you.)

A few good things you've done:
-Getting the public's opinion on mapchanges and other feature additions.
-Adding many helpful features to HL2RP such as admin chat, ability to add or remove loyalist points, the newer vocoder sounds, the ability for the CCA to lock/unlock Nexus doors, being more flexible with High Command, etc.
-Numerous bug fixes to HL2RP
-Addition of the combine sniper, CWU items, the CWU custom class, the guides section of the OA menu directory, easier whitelisting/tooltrust, etc.

Hopefully, you'll erase this negative image of yours and show people who you really are.

/me kicks over the soap box, holding up a peace sign, then dives out of the window.

Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Rictalspace on November 06, 2011, 10:54:15 AM
If you haven't gotten it, it is for a good reason. I saw you flaming people in MC yesterday which definitely doesn't help your chances. Wanting admin isn't going to get you it, chances are, it will kill any chances you have as it just shows me that all you give a fuck about is power and the last thing we need is more powerhungry people in this community.

I had a good reason for that. Not to mention the cause of that argument was banned. But I can agree that at the time I was appearing as just a raging player. I can admit to that, however, that was one time. Everyone gets angry, and its the fact of all the work I put into a village house in minecraft, just destroyed and having all the resources taken away. It hurt, which is what lead to my anger. But one flaw shouldn't portray the entirety of my personality.
I can tell you right here and now that I am anything but a powerhungry person.

And I agree with the additions to the CWU Karma added, they were very helpful.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Sniping Hazard on November 06, 2011, 11:05:21 AM
Its pretty much how life works. Someone wants to have more power than the other. Happines, Sadness, Anger are all emotions that we can't help with sometimes. Someone can be as optimistic as another can be as pessimistic. Its what happens in communities and life.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Krisrules on November 06, 2011, 12:16:34 PM
all I wish to do is do my job as Officer and Operator peacefully as it can be, and uphold the rules on the server and also make roleplay for people interesting and enjoyable.

i swear you were posing headcrab ragdolls in observer? (If it wasn't you I'm sorry.)

Leomarr: as an admin you seem to be acting incoherent and rather than talking to people properly with solutions your just trying to take the moral high ground whilst using loads of fancy words and posting hitler pics
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: YankeeSamurai on November 06, 2011, 01:41:09 PM
all I wish to do is do my job as Officer and Operator peacefully as it can be, and uphold the rules on the server and also make roleplay for people interesting and enjoyable.

i swear you were posing headcrab ragdolls in observer? (If it wasn't you I'm sorry.)

Leomarr: as an admin you seem to be acting incoherent and rather than talking to people properly with solutions your just trying to take the moral high ground whilst using loads of fancy words and posting hitler pics


Yeah well, Leo paid in EVE money for his admin rank and fucks around just as much as he admins (in hl2rp at least). Don't worry about him and his smarcastical Nazi allusions
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Teitoku Ippan on November 06, 2011, 01:44:00 PM
all I wish to do is do my job as Officer and Operator peacefully as it can be, and uphold the rules on the server and also make roleplay for people interesting and enjoyable.

i swear you were posing headcrab ragdolls in observer? (If it wasn't you I'm sorry.)

I don't recall posing headcrab ragdolls O_o what server was it on?
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Adam S on November 06, 2011, 02:19:54 PM
all I wish to do is do my job as Officer and Operator peacefully as it can be, and uphold the rules on the server and also make roleplay for people interesting and enjoyable.

i swear you were posing headcrab ragdolls in observer? (If it wasn't you I'm sorry.)

Leomarr: as an admin you seem to be acting incoherent and rather than talking to people properly with solutions your just trying to take the moral high ground whilst using loads of fancy words and posting hitler pics


Yeah well, Leo paid in EVE money for his admin rank and fucks around just as much as he admins (in hl2rp at least). Don't worry about him and his smarcastical Nazi allusions
And Yankee quit for a good while and came back and got admin back.  Your no different than leoMarr.  and Leo also was close to getting it without paying so why not run your mouth until you know the facts.

Also im pretty sure calling someone a "Smarcastical Nazi" is flaming.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: YankeeSamurai on November 06, 2011, 03:11:45 PM
Hah, accusations of flaming from Adam S?! Well I never.

And I've heard Rofl and Karma say multiple times that "rule 1" doesn't apply between admins.
Even if it does, I wasn't calling our dear friend Leo a Nazi. If you read the words, I was saying that he makes allusions to Nazis

And what does getting admin have to do with it anyway- I don understand
Least I don't get permabanned every few months then get accepted back because I dangle minecraft over the devs' heads
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: LeoMarr on November 06, 2011, 04:37:13 PM
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Yeah well, Leo paid in EVE money for his admin rank and fucks around just as much as he admins (in hl2rp at least). Don't worry about him and his smarcastical Nazi allusions

I completely agree. I love how this little Wesker and CG fight has become a CG fight. Isn't it sad how easily manipulated we are to fight amongst ourselves? But, I mean hey, it's easy to say I'm comparing Wesker to socialists/Nazis instead of having the higher level of intellect to understand that I'm comparing him to dictators and failed social movements.

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Even if it does, I wasn't calling our dear friend Leo a Nazi. If you read the words, I was saying that he makes allusions to Nazis

Allusions to Nazis? Well that's a half truth in itself. If only all of us had the capability to not just say: LOLNAZIS BETTER RESPOND TO PICTURE AND NOT CONTEXT.

But hey it's easy to attack me on Nazis and Buying admin. It's not like you have anything better to use, right Yankee?


In a den of snakes choose your allies wisely.


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Leomarr: as an admin you seem to be acting incoherent and rather than talking to people properly with solutions your just trying to take the moral high ground whilst using loads of fancy words and posting hitler pics

You're totally right, I am taking a moral high ground instead of bringing solutions. Doing so feeds my egotistical self interests.

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Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: YankeeSamurai on November 06, 2011, 05:03:46 PM
I'm not affiliated with Wesker btw
Barely even know who he is

But maybe I'll try to meet him, he sounds like an interesting guy
He's clearly able to get half of CG up in arms and pointing fingers at each other

Also, the fact that the best roleplayers in CG are leaving for this Wesker character makes me curious
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Rictalspace on November 06, 2011, 05:07:25 PM
Wesker can make communities crumble... I've experienced it myself.

He's not somebody to mess with.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Reimer on November 07, 2011, 12:46:13 AM
Also, the fact that the best roleplayers in CG are leaving for this Wesker character makes me curious

And finally the rest of the herd takes notice. If the better of us take up arms against the community, whats to stop the rest of the shepherdless flock?

And with that, I go to bed once more.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: SkeptiK on November 07, 2011, 01:12:16 AM
Alright kiddies. Let's play nice, this thread is getting hotter by the second. Most of what is posted is accusations and not actual facts, keep it professional or take it to SF.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: Reimer on November 07, 2011, 01:23:33 AM
Well this topic turned into a discussian about the Wesker-CG conflict which just apparently became a CG civil war, shouldnt we instead get back on topic and make a specific topic for discussions of this nature?
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: alaskan thunderfuck on November 07, 2011, 01:56:18 AM
Locking.

If you don't like CG, get out. I'll sit here and laugh when you come back in two months kissing my ass and begging for forgiveness.
Title: Re: Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP
Post by: BltElite on November 07, 2011, 02:12:03 AM
And just to wrap everything up-

Problems? Suggest it.
Problem? Go to raiden, he's a SeC too.
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