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General => General Discussion => Social Discussion => Topic started by: Stanky_101 on February 19, 2012, 08:17:01 PM
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When do you think when world war 3 will start and who will be in the world war?
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With the US government trying to force its views on places sech as china, Korea, and all of the middle east, using the UN to do its bidding, I doubt it will be long.
Especially seeing as the UK lick the metaphorical butt crack of us parliament for recognition and the French and such doing the same. It will escalate into outright was in the middle east soon, and it will quickly spread to the east and suddenly it's the world war, quite literally, between the west and the east. I'd laugh if it weren't for the fact that if world war thee happens, then it will be nuclear, we'd all be dead anyway, if not from the nukes, but from the radiation and fallout that comes with it.
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With the US government trying to force its views on places sech as china, Korea, and all of the middle east, using the UN to do its bidding, I doubt it will be long.
Especially seeing as the UK lick the metaphorical butt crack of us parliament for recognition and the French and such doing the same. It will escalate into outright was in the middle east soon, and it will quickly spread to the east and suddenly it's the world war, quite literally, between the west and the east. I'd laugh if it weren't for the fact that if world war thee happens, then it will be nuclear, we'd all be dead anyway, if not from the nukes, but from the radiation and fallout that comes with it.
That could only happen if you carpet bomb america with nukes and even then people could still survive(The DNA wouldn't be the same but still) England not so much.
There aren't enough nukes that can reach america to do the damage that needs to be done(Not even the Russians) nuclear weapons as terrible and powerful as they are cannot do the damage now-a-days to wipe out humanity.
TO prove my point most of the worlds nuclear weapons are thermo-nuclear weapons(H-bombs) which give off a lot less radiation than people expect, due in part to it burning more nuclear material and the newer weapons using lead instead of one of the nuclear materials(Can't remember which) so maybe a nuclear winter but still.
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SOON! SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!
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I'm hoping not soon, with the way the world is now, this war would make it worse on everybody, it doesn't matter if you aren't old enough to go to war, if the war is like how people will predict, there probably won't be a shortage of people entering the draft.
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Probably in Twenty Years World War Three will happen, and if it does, it will be with Russia and China, or North Korea, in the end, we will all loose, because if the US goes down, the US will take China with them, and russia, if it does happen, i'm praying its not a nuclear war, but then again, the chance of not having a nuclear war is low. Mainly i think in the next war the U.S. gets it in will be more with technology and less boots on the ground.
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I think North Korea will start the next world war
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I wouldent be suprised if it happend sometime soon.
Currently, I see the catalyst being one of two conflicts-
North Korea - South Korea: With the recent threat of "merciless" attacks on South Korea if they conducted live fire drills along a certain disputed sea boundary, and South Korea doing so anyways- I can only see tensions rising there, and eventually, it seems like it would lead to war. (However, North Korea is supposed to enter nuclear disarmament talks with the United States)
In this situation, I am not sure wheather or not it would turn out to be a "World War", but the possibility is still there.
Iran - Israel: While tensions seem to usual be high between these two, the recent issue of nukes has come into play and it seems that the outcome would be a World War if the two started nuking each other.
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I don't see it going nuclear unless jackasses from Israel or korea fires them first, and Israel said they'd only fire if you hit them with gas attacks...
If North Korea nukes the south China will cut support and Pyongyang becomes a radioactive hellhole due to the US using only a single one so they don't cause harm to China(If the US even fires) and China if any thing will try to invade first due to it not wanting the US at its border(It'd give the nation back to its people).
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I think that nobody will launch any nukes unless they have no other hope of winning, if it does start, and it likely will, it will start out conventional, and as nations are on the brink of defeat, they are more likely to use their nuclear stocks, but not on their own soil. It is all about the kind of war they want to wage, NK/SK will likey wage a war of conquest, wishing to gain each others territories as unscathed by radiation as possible, wheras China versus the USA would be more to kill whats on the other side of the ocean.
Everybody knows what happens when the nuclear launching starts, they'll try and delay that as much as possible. Its Mutually Assured Destruction.
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I wouldent be suprised if it happend sometime soon.
Currently, I see the catalyst being one of two conflicts-
North Korea - South Korea: With the recent threat of "merciless" attacks on South Korea if they conducted live fire drills along a certain disputed sea boundary, and South Korea doing so anyways- I can only see tensions rising there, and eventually, it seems like it would lead to war. (However, North Korea is supposed to enter nuclear disarmament talks with the United States)
In this situation, I am not sure wheather or not it would turn out to be a "World War", but the possibility is still there.
Iran - Israel: While tensions seem to usual be high between these two, the recent issue of nukes has come into play and it seems that the outcome would be a World War if the two started nuking each other.
Israel will never be nuked. That is the place almost every religion fights to control. Nuking Israel will cause middle east and west to be in a shitstorm because of religion
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Honestly, when it does happen China will most likely win.
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WW3 will be fucked up, mhhm?
The war may start slowly and build up a chain reaction IMO. For example, when Ferninand of Austria Hunngry was killed a shit storm occurred then resulting more people joining ect. Of course that is only my thoughts.
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Wait am I being trolled? WW3 is an impossible event, it cannot happen for many reasons. Some of those reasons are:
1. Super powers (USA, China etc.) won't fight because of Mutually assured destruction, we can learn from the cold war that it won't happen. Not to mention that we are much more grown up then we used to be, we don't just start world wars
2. The countries that might war each other our 3rd world countries and are economically unstable and full of extremist politicians. They might rant on about war but at the end of the day we will have USA rush in there and then we have a Super power vs Guerrilla war, which ends up in deaths and no victors. Oh and that isn't a world war is it?
3. North Korea and South Korea won't fight because the North won't want to fire off nukes cause they will win and the south has a huge army so the north won't invade like that any way
And the reasons go on. This ain't MW3. This ain't Homefront. This ain't a damn video game. The world is too big now days for a world war to start, when you look at it back in ww1 and ww2 countries still believed in having empires and controlling the world. That don't exist. If China wants to rule the world they will do it economically because amazingly the leaders aren't nuke happy morons.
Oh and to a point earlier nukes are HUGE now days. 1 Nuke would be enough to take out countries as big as Russia and America. They generaly have a massive initial radius but then they jam pack the war head with smaller nukes which leads to all kinds of fun. So you wouldn't need to "carpet bomb" American with nukes.
Now please stop with the 1950s Communist threat paranoia. WW3 is not coming. We are not all going to be irradiated freaks in 20 years time. Look at the facts and get on with your lives.
Your friendly neighborhood panda :3
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Wait am I being trolled? WW3 is an impossible event, it cannot happen for many reasons. Some of those reasons are:
1. Super powers (USA, China etc.) won't fight because of Mutually assured destruction, we can learn from the cold war that it won't happen. Not to mention that we are much more grown up then we used to be, we don't just start world wars
2. The countries that might war each other our 3rd world countries and are economically unstable and full of extremist politicians. They might rant on about war but at the end of the day we will have USA rush in there and then we have a Super power vs Guerrilla war, which ends up in deaths and no victors. Oh and that isn't a world war is it?
3. North Korea and South Korea won't fight because the North won't want to fire off nukes cause they will win and the south has a huge army so the north won't invade like that any way
And the reasons go on. This ain't MW3. This ain't Homefront. This ain't a damn video game. The world is too big now days for a world war to start, when you look at it back in ww1 and ww2 countries still believed in having empires and controlling the world. That don't exist. If China wants to rule the world they will do it economically because amazingly the leaders aren't nuke happy morons.
Oh and to a point earlier nukes are HUGE now days. 1 Nuke would be enough to take out countries as big as Russia and America. They generaly have a massive initial radius but then they jam pack the war head with smaller nukes which leads to all kinds of fun. So you wouldn't need to "carpet bomb" American with nukes.
Now please stop with the 1950s Communist threat paranoia. WW3 is not coming. We are not all going to be irradiated freaks in 20 years time. Look at the facts and get on with your lives.
Your friendly neighborhood panda :3
Its something that will happen eventually though. Anything that can go wrong, will. Were you never taught that? Given enough time, the world will cripple itself by war, because one angry guy was in a position of power. It could be a year from now, a century, a several millenia from now, but its going to happen.
Saying it wont happen because we have "big guns" is a horrible argument by the way...
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The biggest chance we have for a WW3, is it branching out from a civil war, with the world being in so much debt and people already rioting, it won't be long before countries try to get money from others forcefully.
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World War 3 cannot happen, but that's not the answer, the potential is very high.
With the US government and the NATO countries attacking foreign countries to "Get rid of dictators" (More like "WE NEED MORE OIL") and to 'liberate' the people is absolute nonsense, the people outside of the countries can see that happening. The western powers are forcing views on people, whilst at the same time, try and profit from wars.
Most, if not, all wars are always related about gain and advantage. Mostly revolving around resources.
Let's list the wars that are "fighting terrorism"
Iraq - Fighting Saddam Hussein for being a "Dictator" and is "Supporting terrorism", funnily enough, Iraq is one of the biggest contributors to oil trade.
Afghanistan - Fighting against the imaginary terrorist group called "Al-Qaeda", lead by Osama Bin Laden, again the country has oil and is a major contributor to opium. (Funny how the U.S. Government "Seized" their drug operation.)
Libya - Oh, fuck it you know the same bullshit, Gaddafi is a tyrant, oh dear, we're going to take that oil-- I mean, liberate the freedom fighters in Libya.
Iran - Watch out America! Prepare to shit your pants as Iran has developed Nuclear power! They have the ability to produce nuclear weapons, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WHAT A DISASTER ITS NOT LIKE WE CAN DESTROY THE NUCLEAR MISSILE BEFORE IT REACHES ANY WESTERN POWERS. Of course, our government surely loves security and freedom, they love it so much that they threaten to go to war because a country blocked oil trade as they did not like the policies that the US are imposing on the neighbouring countries.
That being said, China has stated that they support Iran and their direction they are taking for producing nuclear power for their people, rather than relying on oil. Russia has also said they support Iran.
Now the thing is, the government are playing a very dangerous game here, they're willing to put the lives of us, people, first before the rich politicians and company owners.
The chances of a World War 3 is high, but we somehow pull it off by being "diplomatic" about a given situation. But one day, we will have a World War, and just like the previous wars, it will all be about power and wealth.
Now it's unlikely that there'll be nuclear bombs being launched against one another, that would never happen, unless the super powers were crazy enough to launch one, or some would be desperate and use a nuke when they're close to being defeated.
The sad thing is, is that everything about war nowadays, is simply about oil, and it always has been, war does nothing but give profit to the people responsible of allowing the war to happen, oil companies, governments, defence contractors, banks, anything that invests money into war, will get huge profit from it, and that's what's sickening about war.
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The people who are "Suspected" to cause World War 3;
North Korea - No, they're incapable of causing a large scale war, a lot of the contact between North Korea and any other country has been dismantled, North Korea is a very isolated country, and they won't be willing to expand their territories, unless they're given a golden opportunity, which pretty much means; Never.
China - Nope, they get their own resources from trade through countries like Iran, and China is focusing on sustainable growth and renewable resources and energy.
Russia - Never, they have plenty of natural gases to trade and use, they are also focusing on renewable energy too.
America - Most likely, because they pissed off pretty much most of the world in the middle east and Asia.
Europe - I don't see much imperialism going on, apart from the United Kingdom, but otherwise they're trolling the citizens that they have to pay higher taxes to "bail out" poor countries.
Iran - Nope, they simply have the ability to create nuclear power, how fucking cute. America has over 300 nuclear missiles and are still producing more powerful ones, Iran are, rightfully afraid of the U.S. building military bases AROUND THEIR COUNTRY.
"Al-Qaeda" or "Tu'rrism" as W pronounces - Never, they have no capability to causing a large scale war, they never will, they rely on buying foreign weapons and foreign training.
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The people who are "Suspected" to cause World War 3;
North Korea - No, they're incapable of causing a large scale war, a lot of the contact between North Korea and any other country has been dismantled, North Korea is a very isolated country, and they won't be willing to expand their territories, unless they're given a golden opportunity, which pretty much means; Never.
China - Nope, they get their own resources from trade through countries like Iran, and China is focusing on sustainable growth and renewable resources and energy.
Russia - Never, they have plenty of natural gases to trade and use, they are also focusing on renewable energy too.
America - Most likely, because they pissed off pretty much most of the world in the middle east and Asia.
Europe - I don't see much imperialism going on, apart from the United Kingdom, but otherwise they're trolling the citizens that they have to pay higher taxes to "bail out" poor countries.
Iran - Nope, they simply have the ability to create nuclear power, how fucking cute. America has over 300 nuclear missiles and are still producing more powerful ones, Iran are, rightfully afraid of the U.S. building military bases AROUND THEIR COUNTRY.
"Al-Qaeda" or "Tu'rrism" as W pronounces - Never, they have no capability to causing a large scale war, they never will, they rely on buying foreign weapons and foreign training.
Incapable of causing a large war. How cute. What caused WWl? The assassination of 1 man, and a lot of tension. What does the world have now? A lot of tension. Its really a matter of time, though its unlikely to happen very soon
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Incapable of causing a large war. How cute. What caused WWl? The assassination of 1 man, and a lot of tension. What does the world have now? A lot of tension. Its really a matter of time, though its unlikely to happen very soon
You're actually wrong. One assassination did not make an allied nation such as Britain going "Lol I go to war against Austria Hungary just because they're attacking a country called Serbia, as a Serbian assassin killed the Arch-Duke"
Britain declared war to Germany, because Germany did 2 things that Britain was very upset about;
Attacking a neutral country so it can invade France, that really did piss off good old Britain as Belgium was declared a neutral country and had been recognised as a neutral country.
Expanding an empire across the central parts of Europe, which is threatening British empire.
Unless you're implying that Germany decided to attack Belgium to stop the conspirators of assassinating the Austrian Arch-Duke I hope to god that you are not, because I will have to tell you politely to get out of this discussion, immediately..
Serbia was not an isolated country nor was it a weak country either, and they had Russians willing to give support as well.
Also please note that monarchs and politicians played differently. Monarchs controlled the wealth of the country. Politicians do not (Unless the businesses are owned by the government, which are not and are owned by private institutions.)
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I would like to point out to those arguing this point:
China and the United States will never and I mean NEVER go to war. Why? Because without one another, they would completely die. Trade between the two superpowers is more important than petty problems.
What will start a war is between the middle eastern countries over oil. Recently Iran has been threatening to close the Strait of Hormuz (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57349087/iran-threatens-strait-of-hormuz-vital-oil-route/) which is a vital oil trade route. All oil produced in the middle east (about 40% of the worlds oil) goes through this strait and if Iran were to attempt to close it, it would spell disaster for the US and other countries reliant on oil.
The United States, being what it is, will not let this happen and is bound to get involved. This is how world wars start, the little countries (Iran, etc) start a war themselves then the big boys start picking sides.
Lets take World War II as an example. Germany, after World War I, felt that they had the right to the land, which was then Czechoslovakia's Sudetenland, as most of the population was German. Through an act of Appeasement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement) Germany procured this land and, like giving a mouse a cookie, it continues. As Germany set out on its goals, countries needed to decide which side would be beneficial to it, or decide not to get involved.
I won't go into too much detail, but in short, what will cause the next world war? Oil.
What I want to know is when the first Nuclear bombs start dropping, to quote one of the worlds greatest minds:
“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” ~Albert Einstein
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Remember, you're saying that China and America are not going to go to war? You have to be very careful on saying that, regardless of their status in military power. That is irrelevant.
Iran is backed by China, and would probably be backed by Russia too. Iran is a useful trading country to China. Now with the U.S. military bases surrounding Iran, and making claims that "Iran is now considered a threatening country" is going to cause major aggravation, and will cause some wars to start, and god forbid it might cause WWIII.
When Russia made their first nuclear bomb, America was shitting themselves, and claimed that Russia will press the nuke button at any time.
Did they? No.
It would be silly to doubt that China won't sit back and let America attack Iran. China would want to deal with this peacefully, rather than waging war against a small country. I can assure you that. If peaceful agreements are never accepted, then guarantee that China will be involved in the war, one way or another.
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China takes a "Hear no evil, see no evil" approach to war. Iran may be "friendly" with China, but is China going to risk its resources over a tiny piece of land such as that? Hell no.
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All wars had a reason to kick off, even if the reasons where not that valid in some of them, most of the time we have gained something and sometimes we loose something's. Vietnam was a waste because when we won we left right after and did not hold until later on which had a chance for the enemies to reground but did not do much after, it was basically a lose.
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USA, my country is gonna fuck us all and with NATO. As (W/e his name said) just to ruin the dictators. Fuck that shit, don't get fucking involved with Syria or Libya again. We are wasting our time.
Also, America ad countires, don't supply the resistance of Syria please. You may regret the decision.
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Adding on to everything else, especially Somone's post, the Middle East is the new Balkans. Is Achmedinejad going to close the strait of Hormuz? He's a psycho, but he's not insane. If it's anything, we will probably start the war. By we start it, I'm not saying we're going to invade Iran like we did Iraq, we're going to invade following a terrorist attack which the Iranians will have undoubtedly planned and supplied. In other words, Iran won't start this war itself, it'll do that through proxies. On the other hand, Achmedinejad really isn't that popular, and I wouldn't be surprised if the next arab revolution hit his country. Then again, Persians aren't exactly Arabs....
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Oil. All of it will start with oil. The USA will probably get involved with some 3rd world country who has some bloodthirsty terrorist group or ruthless dictator there. The country just "happens" to have a hefty supply of oil there. That 3rd world country will be backed by some superpower who states that the US has "restricted the rights the people" and will declare war on them. The US economy will burst because it couldn't handle any more debt. As a desperate last move, the US will nuke the superpower, Canada will immediately annex the USA, and the superpower that was nuked will launch back at Canada/USA and begin MAD.
I hope to God I'm wrong in my predictions...
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I don't know not with what weapons World War III will be fought or whom will be fighting it, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
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Going back on many points allot of people are saying that this war would be thought between a superpower and a 3rd world country, or a 3rd world country vs a 3rd world country and it will most likely be because of oil. Can I just point out that that's not WW3? There will always be a war of some kind going on but that does not mean the entire world is involved in said war, therefore it isn't a world war? You are basically just saying that some time in the future there will be war... well duh?
A world war would have to be where the superpowers and other parties are fighting each other. Now I think the cold war has shown us that superpowers don't fight each other mainly because if they try it would lead to full on nuclear fun time. I'm sorry but as Degtyarev said "Big guns" pretty much is the reason why it won't happen. Obviously its silly to say it like that but that's the truth. A super power trying to attack another one is suicide. The governments of the world no this.
If ww3 does happen I welcome anyone who wants to spend their last 3 minutes before the bombs drop to come rub it in :D
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China takes a "Hear no evil, see no evil" approach to war. Iran may be "friendly" with China, but is China going to risk its resources over a tiny piece of land such as that? Hell no.
Yes, they would actually.
Korean war, the US were taking up most of North Korea, China rampaged their way down to the borders of South Korea.
North Korea is tiny compared to Iran.
It's irrelevant to how tiny the country is. If China is satisfied with Iran trading with each other. I am pretty damn sure that China will want their trading partner being taken over by a foreign army, China takes wars very seriously in terms of friend and foe.
What makes anyone think that 2 superpowers would never fight each other?
Superpowers always fought with each other, all the time in history. With each passing war, more and more weapons are becoming more destructive.
Do not ever dare, to think for a second that the USA is untouchable.
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China takes a "Hear no evil, see no evil" approach to war. Iran may be "friendly" with China, but is China going to risk its resources over a tiny piece of land such as that? Hell no.
Yes, they would actually.
Korean war, the US were taking up most of North Korea, China rampaged their way down to the borders of South Korea.
North Korea is tiny compared to Iran.
That was/is because China didn't want the US at their border.
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Us gov't wants more Oil. derp.
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I think Syria will, with the random killing of its citizens and reporters.
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Of course superpowers have fought before but they don't do it now. And at the same time the US won't be untouchable but like I have said before, superpowers nowadays no that they can't fight because of their nukes. Even if they agreed not to use nukes do you really think they would just get to the end of the war with loads of dead soldiers, they are about to be taken over and not go for that final push? Which is why it wouldn't happen. The last superpower Vs. Superpower fight was the cold war and that ended in a "stalemate". They never actually fought each other and so any war between superpowers today would be fought the same way.
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Of course superpowers have fought before but they don't do it now. And at the same time the US won't be untouchable but like I have said before, superpowers nowadays no that they can't fight because of their nukes. Even if they agreed not to use nukes do you really think they would just get to the end of the war with loads of dead soldiers, they are about to be taken over and not go for that final push? Which is why it wouldn't happen. The last superpower Vs. Superpower fight was the cold war and that ended in a "stalemate". They never actually fought each other and so any war between superpowers today would be fought the same way.
Considering this, you are suggesting that China and America will be fighting through proxies?
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Of course superpowers have fought before but they don't do it now. And at the same time the US won't be untouchable but like I have said before, superpowers nowadays no that they can't fight because of their nukes. Even if they agreed not to use nukes do you really think they would just get to the end of the war with loads of dead soldiers, they are about to be taken over and not go for that final push? Which is why it wouldn't happen. The last superpower Vs. Superpower fight was the cold war and that ended in a "stalemate". They never actually fought each other and so any war between superpowers today would be fought the same way.
Considering this, you are suggesting that China and America will be fighting through proxies?
No I am suggesting that they wouldn't go to war with eachother. If they did the loser would be whoever would run out of money first :P
That or when one sides leader admits its stupid and make a peace treaty :P
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WW3 is not going to happen for fucks sake. If does happen it's gonna be twice as worse than WW1 and 2 combined for fucks sake, The whole world world will be involved the shitty war and it'll destroy the world leaving many countries under control or made force into a new kind of Gov't. WE JUST DON'T NEED A NEW FUCKING IRON CURTIAN OR WE WILL HAVE A NEW FUCKING COLD WAR.
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All of you are wrong.
Iran will start it.
They just embargoed Oil exports to France and Britain, if they do it to US and the rest of the West, then we will all jump in and tear shit up. Russia will join in because they are Iran's ally, China will jump in because they are Russia's ally, North Korea will jump in because they are China's ally.
Eventually, the US will emerge victorious.
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Everyones argument for WW3 being completely and utterly impossible for the sole reason that "It would be bad". This amuses me to watch.
Look, that fact is, it will happen, and nuke probably wont be very involved, because thats foolish, and the entire damn world realizes that. Any gov who uses a nuke in a war will have half the world population at the capital beating on the door with some very sharp instruments. Why are you all so obsessed with nuclear weapons? WW3 will come, like it or not, but its unlikely to be nuclear. Im not saying it will come next week, or soon even. For all I know it will be a century or even a millennium from now, but chaos will always spring up, and saying "chaos isnt good" wont stop that. What can go wrong, will go wrong. I wont even try to assume how it will occur, like you guys seem to be...
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Everyones argument for WW3 being completely and utterly impossible for the sole reason that "It would be bad". This amuses me to watch.
Look, that fact is, it will happen, and nuke probably wont be very involved, because thats foolish, and the entire damn world realizes that. Any gov who uses a nuke in a war will have half the world population at the capital beating on the door with some very sharp instruments. Why are you all so obsessed with nuclear weapons? WW3 will come, like it or not, but its unlikely to be nuclear. Im not saying it will come next week, or soon even. For all I know it will be a century or even a millennium from now, but chaos will always spring up, and saying "chaos isnt good" wont stop that. What can go wrong, will go wrong. I wont even try to assume how it will occur, like you guys seem to be...
Wow you basically just tried to undermine almost 40 years of history :L
Ofc nukes will be involved just not in the sense that you are thinking. Nukes will be involved as a failsafe for the superpowers, which is what the cold war was. Anyone who tries to attack the superpowers e.g. China trying to invade USA because USA will pull their nukes out and say one more step and we blow you up and china will say, we will blow you up. Bam you have a stalemate. Again.
It won't "happen". War will happen, war always happens but the entire world won't split into two sides because they wouldn't be able to fight. A war between superpowers plays out as political manoeuvres, economic strategies and technological advances. Big countries might fight little countries but the main contenders won't throw any punches at each other. The idea of "ww3" is foolish.
Also don't try to undermine my argument by making it sound simplistic, it was much more in-depth than "It would be bad" etc.
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Everyones argument for WW3 being completely and utterly impossible for the sole reason that "It would be bad". This amuses me to watch.
Look, that fact is, it will happen, and nuke probably wont be very involved, because thats foolish, and the entire damn world realizes that. Any gov who uses a nuke in a war will have half the world population at the capital beating on the door with some very sharp instruments. Why are you all so obsessed with nuclear weapons? WW3 will come, like it or not, but its unlikely to be nuclear. Im not saying it will come next week, or soon even. For all I know it will be a century or even a millennium from now, but chaos will always spring up, and saying "chaos isnt good" wont stop that. What can go wrong, will go wrong. I wont even try to assume how it will occur, like you guys seem to be...
Wow you basically just tried to undermine almost 40 years of history :L
Ofc nukes will be involved just not in the sense that you are thinking. Nukes will be involved as a failsafe for the superpowers, which is what the cold war was. Anyone who tries to attack the superpowers e.g. China trying to invade USA because USA will pull their nukes out and say one more step and we blow you up and china will say, we will blow you up. Bam you have a stalemate. Again.
It won't "happen". War will happen, war always happens but the entire world won't split into two sides because they wouldn't be able to fight. A war between superpowers plays out as political manoeuvres, economic strategies and technological advances. Big countries might fight little countries but the main contenders won't throw any punches at each other. The idea of "ww3" is foolish.
Also don't try to undermine my argument by making it sound simplistic, it was much more in-depth than "It would be bad" etc.
Wow you basically just tried to undermine almost 40 years of history :L
Ofc nukes will be involved just not in the sense that you are thinking.
/me counts the numerous number of times that nuclear bombs have been used as a typical explosive in wars
Yeah, not really. People are not going to be using them like you're saying otherwise US would drop bombs is the middle east because they arnt giving us free oil. You clearly dont understand how a single nuclear explosion a doesnt just affect the area of its explosion, it affects a good chunk of the planet.
It won't "happen". War will happen, war always happens but the entire world won't split into two sides because they wouldn't be able to fight. A war between superpowers plays out as political manoeuvres, economic strategies and technological advances. Big countries might fight little countries but the main contenders won't throw any punches at each other. The idea of "ww3" is foolish.
/me counts the numerous irrational people put into power of a large country
You realize thats a lot, correct? Youre arguments for it being impossible for third world war to occur are "big guns exist" and "only good natured and rational people are put into positions of power"
And genocides are myths and wars are fought with baguettes and plastic shields...
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Highly doubt there will be another World War for a while, considering nobody can be stupid enough to start another war, which, really, in the end, turns out to be a complete loss of human life for all countries involved, with little to no gain on any sides.
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I honestly believe that Iran will most likely pressure someone or something then America, the superpower that we are, will probably be "forced" to enter into the country and topple the Dictatorship there. It will most likely escalate and considering Iran is like the retarded kid in your class who came in with a gun becasue he found it, someones getting nuked/ suitcase nuked.....This war will probably attract terrorist organizations to act on behalf of Iran and escalate the war further, where it leads from here....I'm honestly not sure. It will probably just be an extension of the "War On Terror"
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Aliens, nuff said...
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Everyones argument for WW3 being completely and utterly impossible for the sole reason that "It would be bad". This amuses me to watch.
Look, that fact is, it will happen, and nuke probably wont be very involved, because thats foolish, and the entire damn world realizes that. Any gov who uses a nuke in a war will have half the world population at the capital beating on the door with some very sharp instruments. Why are you all so obsessed with nuclear weapons? WW3 will come, like it or not, but its unlikely to be nuclear. Im not saying it will come next week, or soon even. For all I know it will be a century or even a millennium from now, but chaos will always spring up, and saying "chaos isnt good" wont stop that. What can go wrong, will go wrong. I wont even try to assume how it will occur, like you guys seem to be...
Wow you basically just tried to undermine almost 40 years of history :L
Ofc nukes will be involved just not in the sense that you are thinking. Nukes will be involved as a failsafe for the superpowers, which is what the cold war was. Anyone who tries to attack the superpowers e.g. China trying to invade USA because USA will pull their nukes out and say one more step and we blow you up and china will say, we will blow you up. Bam you have a stalemate. Again.
It won't "happen". War will happen, war always happens but the entire world won't split into two sides because they wouldn't be able to fight. A war between superpowers plays out as political manoeuvres, economic strategies and technological advances. Big countries might fight little countries but the main contenders won't throw any punches at each other. The idea of "ww3" is foolish.
Also don't try to undermine my argument by making it sound simplistic, it was much more in-depth than "It would be bad" etc.
Wow you basically just tried to undermine almost 40 years of history :L
Ofc nukes will be involved just not in the sense that you are thinking.
/me counts the numerous number of times that nuclear bombs have been used as a typical explosive in wars
Yeah, not really. People are not going to be using them like you're saying otherwise US would drop bombs is the middle east because they arnt giving us free oil. You clearly dont understand how a single nuclear explosion a doesnt just affect the area of its explosion, it affects a good chunk of the planet.
It won't "happen". War will happen, war always happens but the entire world won't split into two sides because they wouldn't be able to fight. A war between superpowers plays out as political manoeuvres, economic strategies and technological advances. Big countries might fight little countries but the main contenders won't throw any punches at each other. The idea of "ww3" is foolish.
/me counts the numerous irrational people put into power of a large country
You realize thats a lot, correct? Youre arguments for it being impossible for third world war to occur are "big guns exist" and "only good natured and rational people are put into positions of power"
And genocides are myths and wars are fought with baguettes and plastic shields...
Again you keep making my awnsers shorthanded to make them sound stupid. Please read all of what I said before posting. No nukes were dropped but they still played a role in the cold war :P If say russia hadn't of had any nukes then the entire path of history from 1945 to today would have changed. And that works the other way round as well.
Where do I say irrational people are not thrown into power? I was refering to MAD in my argument. This states that neither side will attack the other because they HAVE BIG GUNS. Do you honestly not understand that that is soooo important! If both sides (America + Russia) hadn't of had nukes it is very possible that shortly after ww2, ww3 would have started between them, but while they were recovering economicly both sides developed nuclear arms and so it didn't happen. Can someone else who has some knowledge of the cold war era back me up here.
Also when did I say Genocides are myths? Where did that come from? And dude ofc wars are not fought with baguettes and plastic shields. But that dosen't mean they are fought with guns either. The modern "war" between two countries does not mean trenches, tanks and guns. Some notable battlese of the cold war: The berlin blockade; guns used 0 The Cuban missile crisis; guns used 0 The Berlin wall; guns used - some but 0 were used from Russians against Americans.
Please learn some knowledge on the cold war and war in general then come back to me with something clever....
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I get the sense that most everybody in their thread is talking directly out of their anus
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I get the sense that most everybody in their thread is talking directly out of their anus
Youre supprised?
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All of you are wrong.
Iran will start it.
They just embargoed Oil exports to France and Britain, if they do it to US and the rest of the West, then we will all jump in and tear shit up. Russia will join in because they are Iran's ally, China will jump in because they are Russia's ally, North Korea will jump in because they are China's ally.
Eventually, the US will emerge victorious.
Wrong. Barack Obama stated that Iran is the "State of threat", therefore they can go to war at any time against Iran without the need of congress.
With the USA building military bases around the neighbouring countries of Iran. The USA making claims that Iran have nuclear weapons and will use them against the west. The USA accuse or suspect that Iran is hiding Bin Laden. USA giving an aggressive posture to Iran.
Would you seriously blame Iran for acting like this? No.
How would you feel if you had 'Al-Qaeda' building their military bases around the USA. You would be pretty shit scared.
Are you attempting to troll? Because it's not working.
It's smart to say that the USA are causing a lot of the problems that we face today in terms of "Terrorism". The USA is acting imperialistic towards other small countries. It is seen as bullying to everyone else and that sort of unacceptable behaviour that the politicians in the US and the United Kingdom and any other country that would be involved in such a silly war is unacceptable for mankind today to act in such a way.
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You tripping? Iran is soon to have nukes, and with their crazy as shit dictator, we should do somthing. Not to mention Israel is itching to attack Iran. Will China get involved? No, they want to keep their exports to the West going, their not going to join a war against us. Not profitable. Will Russia join? I don't know, the thing with how their population is taking a dive tells me no.
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You tripping? Iran is soon to have nukes, and with their crazy as shit dictator, we should do somthing. Not to mention Israel is itching to attack Iran. Will China get involved? No, they want to keep their exports to the West going, their not going to join a war against us. Not profitable. Will Russia join? I don't know, the thing with how their population is taking a dive tells me no.
Remember the during cold war, when Russians had nuclear missiles?
Did they set them off? No, they didn't.
Iran would not dare to fire off their nuclear missile to any country as they'd be bombed themselves, also major nations can easily intercept a nuclear missile.
China does not want the USA to go to war with Iran. For 2 reasons;
1. America is being imperialistic, far too many (unnecessary) wars been going on in the middle east.
2. 17.4% of trade is between China and Iran, and 19.5% is America and China. Ratio wise and comparing how rich both America and Iran is, I am pretty sure China does not want to lose Iran as their trading partner.
I believe you got your information from the media, which is fine, the government likes people who don't think rationally and get paranoid over foreign countries.
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By the sounds of it Renegade is a hardcore American patriot whos opinions on politics and warfare are clouded by brainwashing media :P
I doubt ww3 will start, epecially not over Iran.
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Today
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Oh gosh your right! Ima head down to my bunker before the nukes hit...