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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: SoapANator on February 22, 2012, 05:08:56 PM
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Yeah, pretty easy. What war do you think was probably the most dumb and worthless for that causes many lives?
I think it was Vietnam war. We went only in there to stop the communist north just because they were communist. And what was the result? Many Americans died just to stop the North just because of their reliefs.
my two cents.
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All of them are pretty bad :P
1. War Against Drugs
Started by Reagen and was a stupid idea from the start. You can't beat drugs, its not possible they will always be there and so will the drug dealers. Trying to tackle it only seems to make matters worse. Legalized drugs generally works better :P
2. War on Terror
Again not really a war you can win and hasn't really got the west any where. Yeah after 10 years we finaly kill Osama but then what? Islamic extremists are still there. People still gonna be violent. A waste of life and could have been dealt with in a better way. Not to mention trigger happy insurgents killing lots of innocents in the east :P
3. WW2
In a sense this war wasn't pointless because the Holocaust had to be stopped. On the other hand was the war just a selfish attempt by England to stop Germany from having an empire? England did it themselves but they are happy to kill fuck loads of soldiers to stop Germany from doing it. Also if Hitler hadn't of been an anti-Semite looney who killed all those people and had of just minded his own business he probably would have gone down as one of the Greatest leaders of History. He had some good ideas and knew how to rule a country. He just wasn't smart enough to realize fighting the world wasn't going to work.
4. Korean War
Don't know enough about it to comment
5. Vietnam
Just a war driven by mass paranoia against communism. Lead to some horrific deaths and horrific use of weaponry and the worse part is it ended up making no difference, America still lost :l
Also fun fact about the Vietnam war, the man who created "Agent Orange" had his son (who was a pilot) drop it over Vietnam. His son later died of Cancer because of the agent orange. Oh the ironies of war...
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Anglo-Zanzibar War.
If you don't know it. Look it up.
Reminds me of CG...
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War on Torrents, aka SOPA/ACTA
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No one can Censor the internet. If you somehow do, anonymous will mess you up.
So yea, the SOPA/PIPA/ACTA 'war' is stupid.
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As an IB Modern History student, I would say that the Korean War and the Vietnam War, or just all wars that were part of the US Truman Doctrine, were pointless and accomplished nothing. Everyone knows why the Vietnam war sucked, but the Korean War is something else. The premise is the Korean War is like the first episode of Red vs Blue: Two sides have a base in a box canyon. There is nothing in that box canyon worth taking advantage. It is just a fucking pointless box canyon in the middle of nowhere. If one side were to get up and leave, then the other would have TWO bases in a box canyon.
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No one can Censor the internet. If you somehow do, anonymous will mess you up.
So yea, the SOPA/PIPA/ACTA 'war' is stupid.
Anon are hard cunts, didn't ya know? They are skilled in the ways of Warcraft, I'd say do not fuck.
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No one can Censor the internet. If you somehow do, anonymous will mess you up.
So yea, the SOPA/PIPA/ACTA 'war' is stupid.
Anon are hard cunts, didn't ya know? They are skilled in the ways of Warcraft, I'd say do not fuck.
They took down master card, visa, paypal, US Goverment websites, hacked into their database and got a bunch of info. I think they won't let the government do shit 2 the internet...
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Anglo-Zanzibar War.
If you don't know it. Look it up.
Reminds me of CG...
exact one i was gonna post xD
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The Ballas v Grove Street.
Dese niggas dont understand dat dey shuld just be like brothas n exploit tha niggas around em rather den fite each other for bitches and bling.
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The Ballas v Grove Street.
Dese niggas dont understand dat dey shuld just be like brothas n exploit tha niggas around em rather den fite each other for bitches and bling.
I have brand new respect for you, SkeptiK.
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I think some of you are confused on the definition of "war":
Noun: A state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.
This means arguing about internet censorship is not a war, it's a legal decision. Drugs are also not a war as it does not involve another nation or state, it's civil enforcement.
With that said, Vietnam was a depressingly bad move.
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Also, these aren't on the list, but some other pointless wars: Both the Mexican-American War and the Spanish-American War
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I think some of you are confused on the definition of "war":
Noun: A state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.
This means arguing about internet censorship is not a war, it's a legal decision. Drugs are also not a war as it does not involve another nation or state, it's civil enforcement.
With that said, Vietnam was a depressingly bad move.
Yeah, I realized after I made the post it wasn't a really a war so I didn't want to fix the post shit. X_X
But,yeah it wwas bad war/
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Also, these aren't on the list, but some other pointless wars: Both the Mexican-American War and the Spanish-American War
Meh both of those were Ego boosters and if America didn't get in the Spanish-American we wouldn't be half ready for WW1(We wouldn't have the 1903 spring field +the 1911) America needed the Spanish-American.
The Mexican-American was more of America showing that it'd defend its borders no matter how small(It was over an area of 100 miles) it also put Mexico in its place as a Americas Bitch.
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All of them are pretty bad :P
1. War Against Drugs
Started by Reagen and was a stupid idea from the start. You can't beat drugs, its not possible they will always be there and so will the drug dealers. Trying to tackle it only seems to make matters worse. Legalized drugs generally works better :P
Didn't Nixon declare the War on Drugs?
"June 1971: Nixon officially declares a "war on drugs," identifying drug abuse as "public enemy No. 1."
-NPR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsrxpVUKUK0&feature=related
Video of Nixon commenting on the "War of Drugs"
Edited: Youtube link, "ed" on related was not attached to the rest of the word.
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I think some of you are confused on the definition of "war":
Noun: A state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.
This means arguing about internet censorship is not a war, it's a legal decision. Drugs are also not a war as it does not involve another nation or state, it's civil enforcement.
With that said, Vietnam was a depressingly bad move.
"A conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation"
Words are as much of a weapon as gun or sword, so the war on piracy, is indeed a war.
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The Unforgotten and the Fallen Brotherhood.
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All of them are pretty bad :P
1. War Against Drugs
Started by Reagen and was a stupid idea from the start. You can't beat drugs, its not possible they will always be there and so will the drug dealers. Trying to tackle it only seems to make matters worse. Legalized drugs generally works better :P
Didn't Nixon declare the War on Drugs?
"June 1971: Nixon officially declares a "war on drugs," identifying drug abuse as "public enemy No. 1."
-NPR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsrxpVUKUK0&feature=related
Video of Nixon commenting on the "War of Drugs"
Edited: Youtube link, "ed" on related was not attached to the rest of the word.
Oh yeah sorry I couldn't remember which one and I couldn't be asked to look it up at the time :P
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I believe the Vietnam war was quite stupid, considering we invaded Cambodia near the end and just ended up aspie'ing it up and only going in 19 miles when Nixon delcared we wouldnt go any farther.
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(History fag incoming, prepare for impact!)
I don't agree with WW2 being on the list.
World War Two started in part because Adolf Hitler wanted more land, dangerous desire in any case of history. He started with the Sudatenland as explained previous posts, and the League of Nations and the rest of the world was like "Meh, why not?"
Bad.
Since Hitler got the Sudatenland he started becoming more and more bold, using the quest for Labensraum (room to live, idk if thats the right spelling) as an excuse. the League of Nations started getting rather angry and a British diplomat went to Berlin to sign a document that would "Guarantee peace in our time." That piece of paper was worth less than the toilet paper I wipe my ass with.
Then comes the more conventional stuff, Hitler signs a suprising non-aggression pact with Russia, and they both went after poor wittle Poland with their cavalry, Hitler's excuse being a faux-attack on a radio station by German soldiers in Polish uniforms. It was now that France and Britain started getting pissed, and declared war on Germany in retaliation. Germany did not expect this and the French launched their only offensive of the war, which only gained five miles. Derp.
After germany finished with Poland, they turned their attention to France. They did not last long, and the commander of their army in the First World War ended up organizing France's surrender in the second. The ex-Kaiser of Germany that led it in WW1 died shortly after Paris was taken. Oh the irony.
All the while, Churchill was trying to convince America to send military support, and join into the conflict. Things stayed like this en europe until Germany declared war on the United States in support of japan two days after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Germany's biggest derp. If Japan had not attacked, which was the only thing they could have done given circumstances, Britain would have fallen which would leave Germany and Japan ready to attack the Russians and the US with everything they have.
TL;DR: Stupidity was involved, but that does not make it stupid. Germany was hyper-aggressive leading up to the war, and everybody knows the genocide that would eventually take place, had the Russian and Western armies never invaded all of Germany, a LOT more of Germany's "political prisoners" would die.
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(History fag incoming, prepare for impact!)
I don't agree with WW2 being on the list.
World War Two started in part because Adolf Hitler wanted more land, dangerous desire in any case of history. He started with the Sudatenland as explained previous posts, and the League of Nations and the rest of the world was like "Meh, why not?"
Bad.
Since Hitler got the Sudatenland he started becoming more and more bold, using the quest for Labensraum (room to live, idk if thats the right spelling) as an excuse. the League of Nations started getting rather angry and a British diplomat went to Berlin to sign a document that would "Guarantee peace in our time." That piece of paper was worth less than the toilet paper I wipe my ass with.
Then comes the more conventional stuff, Hitler signs a suprising non-aggression pact with Russia, and they both went after poor wittle Poland with their cavalry, Hitler's excuse being a faux-attack on a radio station by German soldiers in Polish uniforms. It was now that France and Britain started getting pissed, and declared war on Germany in retaliation. Germany did not expect this and the French launched their only offensive of the war, which only gained five miles. Derp.
After germany finished with Poland, they turned their attention to France. They did not last long, and the commander of their army in the First World War ended up organizing France's surrender in the second. The ex-Kaiser of Germany that led it in WW1 died shortly after Paris was taken. Oh the irony.
All the while, Churchill was trying to convince America to send military support, and join into the conflict. Things stayed like this en europe until Germany declared war on the United States in support of japan two days after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Germany's biggest derp. If Japan had not attacked, which was the only thing they could have done given circumstances, Britain would have fallen which would leave Germany and Japan ready to attack the Russians and the US with everything they have.
TL;DR: Stupidity was involved, but that does not make it stupid. Germany was hyper-aggressive leading up to the war, and everybody knows the genocide that would eventually take place, had the Russian and Western armies never invaded all of Germany, a LOT more of Germany's "political prisoners" would die.
It's Lebensraum, hehe!
Also, Riemer I love you for posting this, this is the exact subject my class is discussing in History Class.
The Cold War, World War Two, Truman Doctrine, Berlin Blockade (Raisin Bombers)
Man these things, they're very tactic, however in fact they did not play tactic at all.
Above are two amazing pictures that show a rocket base in Cuba, dates are in the pictures. President Kennedy blocked the 'island' Cuba with a fleet and demanded that the rockets were to be removed. 'Cubancrisis'.
I forgot to mention I agree with Riemer, World War Two was definitely not a stupid war. I'm excluding the deaths that were made, they were stupid. However, this whole thing really is a good step in History. I am sure a lot of people have learned from it, not us regular people, but the higher bosses.
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Also adding to what Riemar said the Americans probally would have gotten involved after a while but it could be argued that they waited for the reason that they wanted to weaken Russia. When you look at it England was still "untouched" by German soldiers whereas Russia was getting trampled on by the Nazis. It could be said that if say the Germans had of landed on British shores in 1940 then the Americans would have launched D-day much earlier. I do agree with your points though.
Also studying cold war and ww2 in history. Just getting too how Hitler became dictator after Hindenburg died. Already studied the cold war. Might add that the cold war was rather pointless :P
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Also adding to what Riemar said the Americans probally would have gotten involved after a while but it could be argued that they waited for the reason that they wanted to weaken Russia. When you look at it England was still "untouched" by German soldiers whereas Russia was getting trampled on by the Nazis. It could be said that if say the Germans had of landed on British shores in 1940 then the Americans would have launched D-day much earlier. I do agree with your points though.
Actually, Germany has sent an attack to London. It was called 'The Blitz'.
"More than one million London houses were destroyed or damaged, and more than 40,000 civilians were killed, half of them in London"
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blitz
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Also adding to what Riemar said the Americans probally would have gotten involved after a while but it could be argued that they waited for the reason that they wanted to weaken Russia. When you look at it England was still "untouched" by German soldiers whereas Russia was getting trampled on by the Nazis. It could be said that if say the Germans had of landed on British shores in 1940 then the Americans would have launched D-day much earlier. I do agree with your points though.
Actually, Germany has sent an attack to London. It was called 'The Blitz'.
"More than one million London houses were destroyed or damaged, and more than 40,000 civilians were killed, half of them in London"
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blitz
Hehe I was quite aware but thats why I said "untouched" by German soldiers.
It wasn't actually being invaded the same way france was. If it had of been underattack like france was (which is what I said) then it may have been different. I respect your point none the less :3
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You know, The Blitz was some stupid shit too.
It started after France fell, Britain sat there shitting themselves with an army they pulled from Dunkirk, their own oceans filled with U-Boats, only one machinegunner per mile of British coast, and only the RAF to defend against any major action.
So Germany and Hermann Georing's Luftwaffe got busy.
In order for any invasion to succeed, the Germans would have to have -total- air superiority, like the allies would have during D-Day in 1944, so the Luftwaffe launched their raids against every airfield in southern England they could find. Then comes a fateful day when a formation of He-111 bombers went off-course and bombed a major city, (wasn't London, forgot it's name) the brits get so pissed they launch a bombing raid on Berlin, and naturally Hitler doesn't want this shit to go unpunished. He orders the Luftwaffe to switch targets from the RAF to the major cities to "reduce morale".
In actuality the RAF was almost destroyed and switching targets allowed them to recover and come back, and they weren't happy.
Bitz ensues, and ends up in the loss of a -lot- of German planes, invasion does not come, fuckery ensues.
I'm such an awesome history teacher aren't I?