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Title: Equality
Post by: rBST Cow on January 09, 2014, 09:36:51 PM
We all know how many males in CG treated females on HL2RP as goddesses, COUGH COUGH DAKOTA COUGH COUGH CHALLENGE COUGH COUGH. So I propose that we make it a bannable offense if anyone discriminates/treats someone unfairly/non-equally. Everyone should be equal, males and females, and it should be taken seriously. I'm all for equality for women and men, but CG seems to be going in the opposite direction regarding that. lookie at the cca

No one should get special privileges.
Title: Re: Equality
Post by: alaskan thunderfuck on January 09, 2014, 09:41:40 PM
if I was more active I would've made sure none of this shit ever happened the first time. won't be happening, so don't worry about it.
Title: Re: Equality
Post by: Tyrex on January 09, 2014, 09:48:52 PM
but nina lopez
Title: Re: Equality
Post by: Hazard Time on January 09, 2014, 09:57:08 PM
I'm on the fence with this one.  While I think it would be ridiculous to ban people for sexism when racism and homophobia are accepted, it does get annoying when a female character can't walk the streets or go to a bar without having the majority of the male (and some of the female) population in the general area taking passes at them, and that's not even touching on the subject of lolrapists.  If anything, I would be fine if it should be a bannable offense to force Sex RP on someone who OOCly does not approve of it, like it is on the vast majority of Space Station 13 servers.

Misogyny aside, Dakota is the only individual that I know of at this community that received special treatment because he/she/it claimed to have a vagina.  As for Challenge, he was promoted to admin because he was generally a good admin, and despite the fact that he's a yellow-bellied liar now, I will give him the benefit of a doubt on that.
Title: Re: Equality
Post by: smt on January 09, 2014, 10:07:58 PM
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I would be fine if it should be a bannable offense to force Sex RP on someone who OOCly does not approve of it

fairly sure this is bannable here

idk why this even needs to be a thread or made a rule as if it was the admins fault for not having rules in place, when a collection of mostly young-mid aged teenagers sees what may or may not be a girl people seem to get wild, special treatment shouldn't happen and half the time it went the opposite way too with insults because the other half of that community can't handle them selves with a pair of boobs are in front of them

there shouldnt need to be bans or anything, gender shouldnt matter and shouldnt come into it at all or change anything it shouldnt need to be a rule either
Title: Re: Equality
Post by: wag1 on January 09, 2014, 10:55:24 PM
no one should get special treatment in general fuck who gives a shit if its a girl only u nerds that cant get women irl do that shit

its annoying as fuck though when some nigger gets special treatment even if it's somebodys buddy just figure out what that's called and make a rule of it


Title: Re: Equality
Post by: rBST Cow on January 09, 2014, 10:59:28 PM
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I would be fine if it should be a bannable offense to force Sex RP on someone who OOCly does not approve of it

fairly sure this is bannable here

idk why this even needs to be a thread or made a rule as if it was the admins fault for not having rules in place, when a collection of mostly young-mid aged teenagers sees what may or may not be a girl people seem to get wild, special treatment shouldn't happen and half the time it went the opposite way too with insults because the other half of that community can't handle them selves with a pair of boobs are in front of them

there shouldnt need to be bans or anything, gender shouldnt matter and shouldnt come into it at all or change anything it shouldnt need to be a rule either


I'd love to live in that world where "gender shouldnt matter" but the reality is that it's going to happen and the only way to give equality to everyone is to put rules in place. A prime example of this would be the 14th amendment of the US Bill of Rights. I'm sure a lot of people wanted to live in a world were "race shouldnt matter" back in the day, " it shouldnt need to be a rule either", well it did need to be a rule because were would back rights be without it? It's not like this is some Utopian society no matter how much we want to believe "gender shouldnt matter", but its a fact that it does matter and that it does need to have rules in place.

Either way, roflwaffle kind of in a way "accepted" it so it doesn't matter much anymore.
Title: Re: Equality
Post by: Hazard Time on January 09, 2014, 11:43:12 PM
Harassment falls under common sense.  If someone is getting sexually harassed, they can report them to an administrator.  Done.
Title: Re: Equality
Post by: smt on January 09, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
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I would be fine if it should be a bannable offense to force Sex RP on someone who OOCly does not approve of it

fairly sure this is bannable here

idk why this even needs to be a thread or made a rule as if it was the admins fault for not having rules in place, when a collection of mostly young-mid aged teenagers sees what may or may not be a girl people seem to get wild, special treatment shouldn't happen and half the time it went the opposite way too with insults because the other half of that community can't handle them selves with a pair of boobs are in front of them

there shouldnt need to be bans or anything, gender shouldnt matter and shouldnt come into it at all or change anything it shouldnt need to be a rule either


I'd love to live in that world where "gender shouldnt matter" but the reality is that it's going to happen and the only way to give equality to everyone is to put rules in place. A prime example of this would be the 14th amendment of the US Bill of Rights. I'm sure a lot of people wanted to live in a world were "race shouldnt matter" back in the day, " it shouldnt need to be a rule either", well it did need to be a rule because were would back rights be without it? It's not like this is some Utopian society no matter how much we want to believe "gender shouldnt matter", but its a fact that it does matter and that it does need to have rules in place.

Either way, roflwaffle kind of in a way "accepted" it so it doesn't matter much anymore.

this is cg not a real life society with real laws and "gender roles"

women are the same as men online, some women choose to make them selves stand out - it doesn't matter

if an admin is giving ANYONE benefits/extra leniency/extra anything more than most users - it's not allowed, regardless of gender

this isn't about gender, it just happens to be the most common thing to make ur lil doodoo stand up in ur pants (or some peoples)

its really not about gender, it's not allowed either way
Title: Re: Equality
Post by: Lone Wanderer on January 10, 2014, 12:43:42 AM
tl;dr version is everyone is equal and no one should get advanced privilages unless obviously they've really earned it, and not because of some stupid favoritism thing. I'm pretty sure this also means that if you mess up and get your unit killed, you arent going to get a new one because you're buddy buddy with high command
Title: Re: Equality
Post by: smt on January 10, 2014, 01:05:51 AM
to expand on what i wat i said earlier & in shoutbox

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3.    You may not abuse your admin powers in any way; this includes fooling around with your friends or people who are fine with whatever you’re doing. It’s not allowed, ever. Your powers are only there so you can make sure everything is running smoothly.

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4.    Do not favourite people. This means do not teleport your friends around, and don't go easy on bans for them. Your friends are to be treated just as any other player. Failure to follow this rule will result in one warning and a demotion any time after that.

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7.   Relating to both rules four and five, never take sides in any argument no matter who the people are. You listen to both sides and make the right decision based on their stories and any evidence provided of the incident.

literally just theres no reason to add a new rule when these 3 exist, doesnt matter if she has tits or if she has no sexual genitalia at all favoriting anyone for any reason isn't allowed and if theres evidence just make an admin aboose thread
Title: Re: Equality
Post by: Keskjer on January 10, 2014, 02:02:51 AM
Umm, this just falls to the admin team (whoever it may be). Shouldn't be a banable offense as long as the admins are monitoring the players etc. And as far as
I would be fine if it should be a bannable offense to force Sex RP on someone who OOCly does not approve of it.
If RP situations are getting out of hand and touching a more personal level it should be reported to a admin. Cause ^^^ that can (in some places) be a form of cyber bullying/cyber raping? XD either way op its for the admin team to figure out, which I'm sure they are making something in their rules etc etc.
Title: Re: Equality
Post by: Yak on January 10, 2014, 03:08:15 AM
When he speaks of equality, he talks of illegitimate promotions that you cannot contest.
Not how your character feels in game.
Title: Re: Equality
Post by: rBST Cow on January 10, 2014, 08:14:11 PM
When he speaks of equality, he talks of illegitimate promotions that you cannot contest.
Not how your character feels in game.


This. I could CARE LESS what you do IC, I don't care if you call me names IC, because IC is IC. But when it goes into the OOC realm it should be a bannable offensve. Don't ban the people who are getting treated differently, ban the people who are DOING the act it. Such as the people who assmote females or treat them differently because of their vagina OOC'ly.
Title: Re: Equality
Post by: smt on January 10, 2014, 08:16:21 PM
When he speaks of equality, he talks of illegitimate promotions that you cannot contest.
Not how your character feels in game.


This. I could CARE LESS what you do IC, I don't care if you call me names IC, because IC is IC. But when it goes into the OOC realm it should be a bannable offensve. Don't ban the people who are getting treated differently, ban the people who are DOING the act it. Such as the people who assmote females or treat them differently because of their vagina OOC'ly.

its already part of the admin rules and if a dvl who isn't an admin promotes someone just cause they're different (dunno how you'd prove this) then they should just be brought to their original rank and the dvl warned/told off/maybe demoted temp or whatever - it shouldn't be bannable, it really wasn't THAT bad

people are assmoted without being female or whatever it is you want to pin on them that makes it happen, so should all these dvls be banned now? it sucks but its happened before if theres a legit argument just talk to someone higher than them either in IC or OOC ranks

editiedietedit:

like i said before with admins there shouldn't be favoritism by anyone and making new rules to pin it onto "oh females cause people to favorite them!!" is just gonna be bad, even if we have to keep an eye out on leadership/admin/some players to make sure no favoritism is happening it doesnt need to be made a rule and a rule just for that kinda thing rather than general favoritism just looks really stupid
Title: Re: Equality
Post by: rBST Cow on January 10, 2014, 08:18:03 PM
When he speaks of equality, he talks of illegitimate promotions that you cannot contest.
Not how your character feels in game.


This. I could CARE LESS what you do IC, I don't care if you call me names IC, because IC is IC. But when it goes into the OOC realm it should be a bannable offensve. Don't ban the people who are getting treated differently, ban the people who are DOING the act it. Such as the people who assmote females or treat them differently because of their vagina OOC'ly.

its already part of the admin rules and if a dvl who isn't an admin promotes someone just cause they're different (dunno how you'd prove this) then they should just be brought to their original rank and the dvl warned/told off/maybe demoted temp or whatever

it shouldn't be bannable, it really wasn't THAT bad

Take a look at challenge of death sex. Even other admins(i cant remember if it was warren or airbourne or both) but they agreed with me that 'she' was assmoted.
Title: Re: Equality
Post by: smt on January 10, 2014, 08:53:41 PM
When he speaks of equality, he talks of illegitimate promotions that you cannot contest.
Not how your character feels in game.


This. I could CARE LESS what you do IC, I don't care if you call me names IC, because IC is IC. But when it goes into the OOC realm it should be a bannable offensve. Don't ban the people who are getting treated differently, ban the people who are DOING the act it. Such as the people who assmote females or treat them differently because of their vagina OOC'ly.

its already part of the admin rules and if a dvl who isn't an admin promotes someone just cause they're different (dunno how you'd prove this) then they should just be brought to their original rank and the dvl warned/told off/maybe demoted temp or whatever

it shouldn't be bannable, it really wasn't THAT bad

Take a look at challenge of death sex. Even other admins(i cant remember if it was warren or airbourne or both) but they agreed with me that 'she' was assmoted.

and no one did anything about it because it was a girl

his unit most of the time was actually decent, a lot of it was assmotion but still no one did anything and no one really tried to get it fixed either, i dunno why this thread exists - favoritism is still bad and a dvl promoting his friends/people unfairly is also still bad and always has been but no one actually did anything about it, nothing needs to be done other than higher ups both in both ic and ooc ranks need to control it and watch out for it, that's all

i also edited my post twice but u still quoted the first version how interest
Title: Re: Equality
Post by: Krisrules on January 15, 2014, 03:15:32 PM
I think back in the day a few admins were guilty of roleplaying with only their friends. (Be it fellow admin or not) and I think it should be encouraged that they go out of their way to engage with the junior members of the community. An event here and there isn't enough interaction to pass off, but the ol' spending an hour of your evening in the apartments or in the plaza roleplaying, having a chat with the rest of the player base could really do the HL2RP scene some good (I think).
Title: Re: Equality
Post by: rBST Cow on January 15, 2014, 06:40:32 PM
I think back in the day a few admins were guilty of roleplaying with only their friends. (Be it fellow admin or not) and I think it should be encouraged that they go out of their way to engage with the junior members of the community. An event here and there isn't enough interaction to pass off, but the ol' spending an hour of your evening in the apartments or in the plaza roleplaying, having a chat with the rest of the player base could really do the HL2RP scene some good (I think).

Being an admin shouldn't imply that you /have/ to roleplay with people. Admins should be there to make sure no one breaks the rules and that the server runs smoothly, I wouldn't expect anything else from them as that is their job. If an admin doesn't want to roleplay with you fine, but giving someone special privileges based on their gender isn't ok(which is the point of this thread).
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