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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: tics on September 10, 2011, 10:21:26 PM
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Originally posted at Virtual Freedom by myself.
I'm posting this a few hours in advance, although for some people it is already Sunday, the 11th. As we all know, tomorrow/today marks ten years since 9/11 when three Boeing 757s and one Boeing 767 were hijacked. American Airlines Flight 11 was flown into the North Tower of the World Trade Center at 8:46 AM that sunny morning. All of America and many people around the world watched as United Airlines Flight 175 hit the South Tower. Shocked they stood in their living rooms around family, or around colleagues at work. Everything was at a stand-still, and people waited for answers. And then the pentagon at 9:37 was hit by American Airlines Flight 77.
Members of the New York Fire Department stood in amazement as the towers collapsed, after being informed that they were resistant to fire. And then the news came in. United Airlines Flight 93 had crashed in a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. People were confused, but it was soon evident. The brave passengers on that plane - fathers, businessmen, and average day civilians - organized a plan within the frame of thirty minutes. They called their loved ones, and said their final goodbyes. They charged the cockpit, and the pilot of the plane turned it and crashed into the field intentionally. The plane was obliterated on impact.
The next day, Americans took a new turn. Anger flowed throughout their veins, and revenge was the only thing on their mind. It became evident the thought of everyone; we will never forget. But as prepared as Americans were to get revenge, it wasn't as easy as it had been back in 1941 when the Japanese military bombed Pearl Harbor. Our enemy was not clear, and they represent no national flag. Americans would soon know al-Queda was responsible.
Tomorrow may we not become angry, but may we remember and honor the lives of those who responded to call of distress of strangers they didn't know. Those who died to save the lives of others. And while we shall never forget September 11th, 2001, we shall never allow for our anger to cloud our judgement, and we should only honor the lives lost that sunny, seemingly normal morning.
I call upon you to do whatever you may please to honor the lives lost on September 11th, 2001.
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Oh, if only this were in spam.
RIP
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Those fucking terrorists have gotten, still, and forever will be getting their payback.
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Something tragic happened. Oh no. Move on.
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R.I.P to all thos people.
We got em back alright, we killed their leader.
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Something tragic happened. Oh no. Move on.
Pretty much this. People die every day, why don't you mourn for those strangers? No offense intended, of course.
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Many innocent lives were lost that day. For people who make fun of this thread should be ashamed of themselves. Prayers to the family's of people who lost their lives in this tragic event. God bless America
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I have many things to say about that comment, anyways, I won't because it'll end in drama.
R.I.P to all the fallen that day.
Although it wasn't terrorists that did it... :-\
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Something tragic happened. Oh no. Move on.
Pretty much this. People die every day, why don't you mourn for those strangers? No offense intended, of course.
We dont hear nor know of every death, but 9/11 was symbolic, and lead to a whole new outlook for many people.
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We will never forget them.
Anyways who the fuck makes buildings that tall? They had to be a death hazard evey day if you look.
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I only mourn one dates. 9/11, and pay respects on December 7th.
I love history too much... and politics.
Don't be hating, but I lean more towards government conspiracy with 9/11. But we should still mourn the deaths of those who died, the heroism of the citizens aboard Flight 93 and the brave first responders who most of which face cancer due to the amount of asbestos in the towers.
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Many innocent lives were lost that day. For people who make fun of this thread should be ashamed of themselves. Prayers to the family's of people who lost their lives in this tragic event. God bless America
Many more innocent people died in the Vietnam war, innocent people died on the Titanic. Yet we don't give a damn about that anymore. Why? Just because it's outdated?
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I will heavily ban anyone who trolls in this thread.
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I will heavily ban anyone who trolls in this thread.
He's not trolling, he's giving his honest opinion, and has a good point. I'm not saying the thousands of deaths on 9/11 were worthless, all I'm saying is that there have been thousands more that we just seem to stow away and only pull back out for discussions like this.
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I was stating that I will heavily ban anyone that trolls this thread. I lost people and saw this in person.
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I will heavily ban anyone who trolls in this thread.
Just because someone has a different opinion than yours doesn't make it trolling.
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I will heavily ban anyone who trolls in this thread.
Just because someone has a different opinion than yours doesn't make it trolling.
Read my next post, ffs.
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Thoughts & prayers to victims and famillies of that day.
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Something tragic happened. Oh no. Move on.
Pretty much this. People die every day, why don't you mourn for those strangers? No offense intended, of course.
This was big, this wasn't just the average life and death cycle.
This was planned, for '2 years'..
They destroyed the American Economy, think about that.
People started to stop spending because G. Bush told them they were in WAR.
They would have waited with the money to spend it on food, consumables.
And Bush sent a lot of money to Afghanistan, which led up to the crisis that will grow.
Economic Reversal - 11 - 9 - 2001
We will never forget them.
Anyways who the fuck makes buildings that tall? They had to be a death hazard evey day if you look.
Ground Prizes are ridiculous in Manhattan, so if you build in height, you save more money.
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I suggest everyone to read about 9th September on Wikipedia.
Take look at this image (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/911_victims.jpg). Its stunning, how much people died during one day..
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It was indeed a tragic day, either way you think it happened, many people still died. My thoughts and my prayers will reach out to those who died on the tragic day of 9/11, and I will never forget what happened that day.
And I'm sorry to those of you who lost people that day, it must have been terrible. My prayers are to you as well.
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I will heavily ban anyone who trolls in this thread.
He's not trolling, he's giving his honest opinion, and has a good point. I'm not saying the thousands of deaths on 9/11 were worthless, all I'm saying is that there have been thousands more that we just seem to stow away and only pull back out for discussions like this.
Maybe you should stop posting here? We don't want to here your opinion on other events that happened.
Saying your "considering" posting a ban request doesnt mean shit and would be a sort of blackmailing. Post it or dont post it. ~ Crap-head
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9/11 was more of a symbolic event. Americans will forever know it, as it was the day they had been dealt a crushing blow. 9/11 is mourned in several countries, but nobody mourns it more than America. To us (people outside the US) it is not as big of a deal. However to them, it was part of their society that had been dealt a large blow. They will forever mourn it, regardless of if it were a conspiracy, it's events unfolded so many other things.
So regardless on what you think, you should still feel sorry to the families and friends of those lost in the event.
If you think that it is being milked, go ahead and think that. But regardless of what you or anybody thinks, it will still be mourned.
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I suggest everyone to read about 9th September on Wikipedia.
Take look at this image (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/911_victims.jpg). Its stunning, how much people died during one day..
That's still from today, 10 years after.
Not all of the found bodies.
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Sad day, those who side shall not be forgetten. Fuck who ever did this,
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Even though bringing back a bad memory can be bad. It's good to give honor to the hero's of 9/11. NYC Fire department, Police, and the Paramedic team. They risk they're lives everyday, but 9/11 was when some of them made that day the last day they took one more step on the world.
9/11 may be a tragic day, and we must never forget what happened on that day. Kids, families, and hero's died on that day. We must put respect within the things they did for us to risk they're lives.
As a result, NYC still stands today, strong and powerful as always. The asshole responsible for this now lies underneath the North Atlantic Ocean with a bullet in his head, at least that's what we think was responsible for 9/11. Even though that man is dead, we still must never forget 9/11, we lost 2 towers but we never lost our hope and faith in America. Stand strong and proud New York City, don't EVER give up! But don't EVER forget about what happened.
EDIT: I highly recommend watching the 9/11 honoring for the 10 years since it's been. I literally lost a couple of tears watching it.
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Many innocent lives were lost that day. For people who make fun of this thread should be ashamed of themselves. Prayers to the family's of people who lost their lives in this tragic event. God bless America
Many more innocent people died in the Vietnam war, innocent people died on the Titanic. Yet we don't give a damn about that anymore. Why? Just because it's outdated?
You realize that those are older and yet I still care? Also those were older than this, this only happened ten years ago, a lot of innocent people died, although I understand what you mean but this is still rather young for an event.
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For all of the people who died, whether police, firefighter, or civilian, I will keep you in my thoughts and wish you peace.
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To tell the truth, 911 was absolutely hilarious. I don't see why it's taken seriously.
User was banned for this post. Flaming
Do you know what flaming exactly is?
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To tell the truth, 911 was absolutely hilarious. I don't see why it's taken seriously.
Not cool dude.... not cool.
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To tell the truth, 911 was absolutely hilarious. I don't see why it's taken seriously.
Weird Comment.
Is it funny seeing thousands of people die?
:o
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They destroyed the American Economy
There's was also the great depression, which almost destroyed the economy, there's even the shit we're going through NOW.
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Anybody who decides to troll or flame against 9/11 excessively will be taken into a ban request.
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Anybody who decides to troll or flame against 9/11 excessively will be taken into a ban request.
You can't be serious.
Just because someone has a different opinion than yours doesn't make it trolling.
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Anybody who decides to troll or flame against 9/11 excessively will be taken into a ban request.
You can't be serious.
Just because someone has a different opinion than yours doesn't make it trolling.
Ban requests are being processed by administrators and it is only their decision if they accept or deny it.
I think Rec.Bobby's post wasn't opinion. Thats bullshit.
(Edit, huh, I am dumb.)
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9/11 was a bad day, I was only in I think first grade when it happened so I don't remember it that well but i remember seeing videos of it when i got home form school on the TV. I didn't really understand what was going on at the time since i was only around 6 or 7.
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Anybody who decides to troll or flame against 9/11 excessively will be taken into a ban request.
You can't be serious.
Just because someone has a different opinion than yours doesn't make it trolling.
Flaming/trolling is different than expressing your idea in a calm respectful manner. And I opened one on ducky for pm'ing me with derogatory flaming/trolling.
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It's called being Tactful Geemayn. Like Krystal and others have said previously.
Anyone who flames in the Thread, Will receive a 24 Hour ban and a 20% Warning.
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"The attacks of September 11th were intended to break our spirit. Instead we have emerged stronger and more unified. We feel renewed devotion to the principles of political, economic and religious freedom, the rule of law and respect for human life. We are more determined than ever to live our lives in freedom."
Rest in peace to all of those who lost their lives on that horrible day.
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"The attacks of September 11th were intended to break our spirit. Instead we have emerged stronger and more unified. We feel renewed devotion to the principles of political, economic and religious freedom, the rule of law and respect for human life. We are more determined than ever to live our lives in freedom."
Rest in peace to all of those who lost their lives on that horrible day.
Strongly agreed.
I was only 4 when it happened I saw it on TV I didn't fully understand what was going on. But even in Texas people lost love ones, My best friend lost his grand dad and had to move away.
What happened that day can never be forgotten.
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This effected the entire world to say the least. Even though I live in Canada does not mean I mourn the loss of those innoncent lives. Those terrorist we're indeed horrible people and the rest will face their consequences (The assassination of Osama Bin Laden for example). Also, for the people who say stuff like, "Boo hoo", I guess you do not realize people we're killed that day, and families we're devastated.
Rest In Peace my amigos.
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Anybody who decides to troll or flame against 9/11 excessively will be taken into a ban request.
You can't be serious.
Just because someone has a different opinion than yours doesn't make it trolling.
if your opinion is "Oh thousands of people died in an event that killed many more thousands! WHAT A GLORIOUS DAY; and then celebrate it"... Well you had better be trolling
And trolling kind of deserves a br, even on forums, hell, even in spam... its really just not right
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Very nice exaggeration of what I said.
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EVERYONE: Stay on topic.
Enough with the regular users threatening to BR people for trolling. Admins will deal with it if issues come up. I don't care if you think that is bullshit that someone is banned for their opinion - PM someone if it's that important to you. This isn't the place for it.
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EVERYONE: Stay on topic.
Enough with the regular users threatening to BR people for trolling. Admins will deal with it if issues come up. I don't care if you think that is bullshit that someone is banned for their opinion - PM someone if it's that important to you. This isn't the place for it.
If you PM you'll also be banned, and that has been proven with two weeks.
I know I'm going off-topic but I want to tell you that.
Anyways, just a simple back to topic.
There were Threats weren't there? What kind of threats, I'm European.
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The ban wouldnt have been as bad if he would have admitted to it.
Anyways on topic: Yes I believe there were threats, but were denied.
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RIP to those who lost their lives 10 years ago today. You will always be remembered by me, your family, loved ones and all other Americans.
9/11 helped America a lot. Living back before the event happened is not the same as it is now. Everything has changed to keep us safe. God Bless America.
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Found out that my dad lost a good friend, saw the commemorations in New York, heart breaking whatever your nationality. England lost the 2nd highest amount of people, before America, which gives us a reason to mourn them.
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Rip those who died by the cause of 9/11 and i hope those terrorists are burning in hell right now =3
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3,000 People died (approx) in 9/11. This is indeed a tragic event, but I'd like to respectfully post my opinion on the matter.
9/11 is a media hype. People suck up tragedy; people watch it with horror and disgust, but the problem is, people don't stop watching. The more hype and drama, the more that people watch, the more ratings and money the media gets. So, one side of this is that the media has hyped this all up so that people will watch things that are 9/11 related. On one side, its a publicity scam.
Additionally, George.W. Bush Jr. used these attacks to prompt the invasion of Iraq, an uncalled for knee jerk reaction that belongs in the last centery rather than the modern day. He failed to see that the enemy was not one nation, rather a political group. The invasion had the same merrit as Russia invading the USA because of the KKK (Is a bit of an exadruation, but the idea is still there). George.W.Bush Jr. called upon the fresh cold war fear of neuclear weapons. People were still hung over from the cold war threat. People seriously belived any day that nukes would fall from the sky and they would die. For them, it was a matter of when. When he involked this fear again, saying without any supporting evidence that there was WMD's in Iraq (It must be stated that the UN did 2 sweeps or Iraq and not a single trace was found, GWB's argument was "They must be good at hideing). I could go on and on about how 9/11 caused one of the strangest and stupidest war's that history can provide, but I'd get off topic.
Lets go back to some facts then. 3,000 people died in 9/11. Every day, 25,000 people die of starvation. Every day, 155,000 people die. Yet we refuse, it seems, to honor their loss, we seem to pour millions of dollars honouring the loss of , what seems to be, the loss of a small minority. THe only reason that we seem to memorate these people is that it is closer to home; people can relate to isses like these because they are enabled to. When it comes down to trying to relate to third world countreis, it becomes a different matter. People seem to forget that much worse things are happening in the world today, but since it is not in our contry, and has no effect on oour lives, it is fine to ignore and forget.
Now, on to my final point.This is a point more centering around counter terrorisum, but is still relevent. Its been predicted that the US has spent 3-5 Trillion dollars on counter-terroriusm, not incuding the rising healthcare for war veterns (That cost is yet to come). Ihard to visulise how much money that is. So, just a helpful hint, it is approximatly 10-15 Vagas luxor holels piled on to one another.That is how much money whthat has been spent. To compare and contrast, 1,875 people approximaty died in Hurricane Katrina, but only 100 BIllion approx was sepnt. THere is less spent on natrual disaster prevention than there is anti-terrorisum, yet there is 30X to 50X less spent on it, even though over time it has proven to be a bigger killer.
So, the big question now is, why is so much spent on counter-terrorisum? In the end, we are fighting fear. We are afraid of terrorisum now because we were tought to be afraid; GWB initiated this fear unknowing of how detrimental it would be. This fear is still here, and to try and get rid of this fear a price tag is slapped on our safty; a price tag so big that the number could not possibly fail us. And so, when something does go wrong, we just are told the price tag, and we feel as if everything will be alright. This is not true. Things do not go away if you slap a price tag on it, esspecally things that did not exist in the first place.
I want to say this before I wrap up. I give all due respect to the people who died in the 9/11 attackis, and all of the assosiated grief that has come about it. What I do not give respect for is how it has been abused to bring rise to a dictine of fear in America. In my opinion, this fear is what is causing its current downfall.
If you want to repsond to this, I would appriciate if it was a logical argument rather than rhetoric or flaming. I appriciate if you hav a different opinion, and do not wish to see thios thread descend into a pit of flame.
Thank you very much for reading,
Jacknife.
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3,000 People died (approx) in 9/11. This is indeed a tragic event, but I'd like to respectfully post my opinion on the matter.
9/11 is a media hype. People suck up tragedy; people watch it with horror and disgust, but the problem is, people don't stop watching. The more hype and drama, the more that people watch, the more ratings and money the media gets. So, one side of this is that the media has hyped this all up so that people will watch things that are 9/11 related. On one side, its a publicity scam.
Additionally, George.W. Bush Jr. used these attacks to prompt the invasion of Iraq, an uncalled for knee jerk reaction that belongs in the last centery rather than the modern day. He failed to see that the enemy was not one nation, rather a political group. The invasion had the same merrit as Russia invading the USA because of the KKK (Is a bit of an exadruation, but the idea is still there). George.W.Bush Jr. called upon the fresh cold war fear of neuclear weapons. People were still hung over from the cold war threat. People seriously belived any day that nukes would fall from the sky and they would die. For them, it was a matter of when. When he involked this fear again, saying without any supporting evidence that there was WMD's in Iraq (It must be stated that the UN did 2 sweeps or Iraq and not a single trace was found, GWB's argument was "They must be good at hideing). I could go on and on about how 9/11 caused one of the strangest and stupidest war's that history can provide, but I'd get off topic.
Lets go back to some facts then. 3,000 people died in 9/11. Every day, 25,000 people die of starvation. Every day, 155,000 people die. Yet we refuse, it seems, to honor their loss, we seem to pour millions of dollars honouring the loss of , what seems to be, the loss of a small minority. THe only reason that we seem to memorate these people is that it is closer to home; people can relate to isses like these because they are enabled to. When it comes down to trying to relate to third world countreis, it becomes a different matter. People seem to forget that much worse things are happening in the world today, but since it is not in our contry, and has no effect on oour lives, it is fine to ignore and forget.
Now, on to my final point.This is a point more centering around counter terrorisum, but is still relevent. Its been predicted that the US has spent 3-5 Trillion dollars on counter-terroriusm, not incuding the rising healthcare for war veterns (That cost is yet to come). Ihard to visulise how much money that is. So, just a helpful hint, it is approximatly 10-15 Vagas luxor holels piled on to one another.That is how much money whthat has been spent. To compare and contrast, 1,875 people approximaty died in Hurricane Katrina, but only 100 BIllion approx was sepnt. THere is less spent on natrual disaster prevention than there is anti-terrorisum, yet there is 30X to 50X less spent on it, even though over time it has proven to be a bigger killer.
So, the big question now is, why is so much spent on counter-terrorisum? In the end, we are fighting fear. We are afraid of terrorisum now because we were tought to be afraid; GWB initiated this fear unknowing of how detrimental it would be. This fear is still here, and to try and get rid of this fear a price tag is slapped on our safty; a price tag so big that the number could not possibly fail us. And so, when something does go wrong, we just are told the price tag, and we feel as if everything will be alright. This is not true. Things do not go away if you slap a price tag on it, esspecally things that did not exist in the first place.
I want to say this before I wrap up. I give all due respect to the people who died in the 9/11 attackis, and all of the assosiated grief that has come about it. What I do not give respect for is how it has been abused to bring rise to a dictine of fear in America. In my opinion, this fear is what is causing its current downfall.
If you want to repsond to this, I would appriciate if it was a logical argument rather than rhetoric or flaming. I appriciate if you hav a different opinion, and do not wish to see thios thread descend into a pit of flame.
Thank you very much for reading,
Jacknife.
Thanks, it's nice to see people NOT trolling the thread, a post like this shows how people really do care. There was so many bad things that happened on that day, apparently some great heroes ran all the way up to the 88-89th floor and attempted to save the people on those floors. But, not all of them survived. Such a sad day that will be remembered for the rest time.
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This was a very tragic event and we should also mourn the deaths of fallen troops that are fighting in the War on terror.
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The time has gone very fast, I remember watching it on TV. Was on for the whole month. :-\
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I have a few reasons for making such a big deal. First, it effected more than just America. There were many nationalities in those buildings. Second, the MANY who lost their lives trying in vain to save others. Third, it hit the worlds economy pretty damn hard, as that was the WORLD TRADE CENTER. And lastly, I knew a some of the people who never made it out. I was standing a few blocks when the first one hit.
But keep in mind, not everyone tried to make money from it. Budweiser made a commercial that acknowledges what happened just 24 hours before hand, but it aired ONCE, they did NOT want to make any money from it. Watch it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3eQmzw6n3k
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I have a few reasons for making such a big deal. First, it effected more than just America. There were many nationalities in those buildings. Second, the MANY who lost their lives trying in vain to save others. Third, it hit the worlds economy pretty damn hard, as that was the WORLD TRADE CENTER. And lastly, I knew a some of the people who never made it out. I was standing a few blocks when the first one hit.
But keep in mind, not everyone tried to make money from it. Budweiser made a commercial that acknowledges what happened just 24 hours before hand, but it aired ONCE, they did NOT want to make any money from it. Watch it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3eQmzw6n3k
Krystal, anyone who doesn't make this a big deal is just... Lets not go into detail. I think that you have all the right to make this a big deal. Just by making it a big deal isn't enough.
A little girl was visiting to see her dad at work on that day, when all of the sudden the first plain crashed, luckly she was only at the lobby. But, from the ground you could here the noises of the bodies splating and it was just all to hectic. She slept in her moms room until she was 16. Are you guys going to stop trolling this thread now? People had SERIOUS things happen to them in this, and the world has been changed forever. Many people have recieved both physical and metal scaring from this thanks to terrorism. Please, stop trolling.
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Lest we never forget...
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Lest we never forget...
Indeed, good to see people care.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLfSn4LBuY
This, is just tragic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLfSn4LBuY
This, is just tragic.
Yikes... That is very sad.... ;(