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Half-Life 2 Roleplay => Archive => HL2RP Development[ARCHIVE] => Accepted Authorizations => Topic started by: Elions on October 03, 2012, 12:57:25 AM
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Player Section
Steam Name: Elions
Age: 19
How long have you been Roleplaying? (can be any game): About 4 years
How long have you been playing Serious GMod RP?: About 3 years
Character Section
Authorization(s):
- A prototype, PDA like device, containing some general but not entirely specific information about mankind as well as a simple (one colour) hologram projector
- An AI housed inside the previously mentioned prototype device, which will be a separate character in it's own right.
Name: Joanna 'Tragedy' Sinbow
Age: 28
Gender: Female
Affiliation: None
Write a detailed in-canon back-story how your character obtained these authorizations.
"Project's software is installed, Doc." The intern talked to Dr. Krauz as they both worked on the small PDA like device in the table, connected to a computer which was finalizing the last checkups on the device, making sure all the internal components were working correctly and that temperatures were under control
"Allright... Conditions could hardly be more ideal, Mr Faust, i think it's finally time to test this AI." The doctor smiled, they had been working on this project for almost 8 years already, an AI that would not only work on a smart device but that would have it's own personality, making it being able to make judgements, relate to the user, and have life of it's own. The (Technically) first synthetic being. They fired up the device as the screen showed the running processes on the custom OS they built, having no issues to starting up as it chimed
"CHYR1AV - SYSTEMS ONLINE. RUNNING SYSTEMS CHECKUP.... COMPLETE."
"Good.. Mr Faust, what does the performance look like hardware wise?"
"Everything's in order so far doc. Temperatures are a bit lower than we expected but that's nothing to worry about"
The doctor nodded as he looked at the device's screen, already lit up and with a simple, 'glowy' cloud of green smoke displaying, this was the abstract representation of the AI itself "Allright, let's start with the hologram's check then." The device was prototypical in most of it's measures, both with the AI and with a new holographic display to make the information easily visible by more than one subject, as well as make it easier for the AI to "Socialize" with people.
Using two small but powerfull lights, the device projected an image, slowly 'creating' the figure of a man. It however had no defined face or figure, as it was the first time firing itself up. This was the 'avatar' of the AI, a more relatable image for people to identify it by, that would show either on the screen or on the holographic display.
The doctor smiled lightlymas the hologram lighted up "Good, let's do a quick set of questions to make sure everything's in order... What's your serial code, boy?" he adressed the AI in a friendly manner as he kept check of the system perfomance.
"CHYR1AV, sir." the AI responded in a relatively soft voice as the doctor asked "... Will that be my permanent name sir?" The AI almost inmediately showed the signs of it's personality with this strange question.
"Well, we can find you a proper and more traditional name later, but for now we need to make sure you're working fine" The AI nodded, strangely accepting of it's role as the doctor worked on his terminal "And please, don't call me sir. I may have made you but i'm not that formal" The doctor joked lightly on this, something that given the situation was rather weird if not unique in it's context.
During the next few days, Dr Krauz and Intern Faust worked on the internal parts of the AI, while making sure it stayed online as well as interacting with it, during these times the AI was given complete freedom by the doctor to 'investigate' humans and reality, having a connection to the internet already established in it as well as being able to use a simple IM and Voice chat system to talk to other people involved in the project. It's human likeness was remarkable to people, but more so it's curiosity, and strange optimism despite knowing about mankind's best and worst times. During this time the AI picked up on images for the avatar that it "liked", it's appearance changing from time to time but remaining male, as it identified itself after some time, as well as picking a name for itself, Darius.
It's learning was aided by it taking in and saving most of the information it deemed important online, having internal backups of it as well as relying on double-checking it again every now and then.
Unfortunately, the AI's progress was put to a halt when the 7 hour war erupted. Mankind saw itself going into a full stop when it came to freedom and advancing technology. The project, though it was never publicized, was never hidden from the public either, which meant that if Krauz wanted to hide Darius from the combine, he'd have to act quickly.
He needed to make them believe that the AI was no longer viable in case they did want to peek into the matter, so the doctor set to create false records with an earlier and much basic AI, faking 'failed' procedures as well as claiming that the AI was destroyed. These spanned for a few months, managing to fool the Combine for a while, but the doctor felt like Darius was no longer safe with him, and had to take a more drastic measure.
Grabbing Darius' device, he quickly turned it on to talk to him one last time.
"Doctor, how can i help?" Darius answered in a normal tone, unaware of what was really going on
"Darius. We're going to have to relocate you... It's the only way these monsters won't get to you"
"Wh-What?" He was taken aback by the idea of being relocated, the lab was the only place he had ever been in, and going outside of it was a venture he didn't feel prepared to do yet
"Don't worry. I'll make sure you stay safe. I promise" The doctor gave him a warm smile, trying to calm him down.
They said goodbye to each other, believing the separation would be temporal as the doctor finally shut the device down.
Hiding Darius inside a special case, he gave it to one of the few contacts he had that was not connected to any scientific organization, making it at least less dangerous for him to be caught by the combine forces, which had already begun their settling in to earth and it's cities.
The doctor's contact got on a train headed to Romania, a country where the organization that Doctor Krauz worked for had a private lab, meant only for secret military and health related contracts. There he would be able to hide Darius and continue his development at least for a little longer, or so he would have if the train had reached it's destination.
The combine, under the belief that a major target was in the train that the doctor's contact was in, had set up a bomb in the train's route. Right on the stabilizing parts of the bridge itself.
Once the train's first cart was on top, the bomb went off and cause the entire train to collapse down onto the canal the bridge helped keep it away from. Most people on the train died from the kinetic strenght of the blow, some died from debris hitting them. The doctor's contact however, managed to survive, but in his dash to find a way out of the collapsed vehicle, he left the case that contained Darius behind, hidden in the rubble of the train, forgotten in a random place of Romania that would soon be known as the Outer rim of the Outlands.
Years passed by, with a medium sized group of gypsies finding the train. They figured that with the conditions that the world was in now, that they were no longer allowed in "civilization", if you could call it as such. They used the woods around them, making tarps and ghillie covers to make the train appear completely abandoned, using the fuel compartments as a way to hide in plain sight the smoke from the fires they used to heat themselves during winter and rainy days. The leader of the group, Marcus, found during one of their many searches through the Train's destroyed compartments the suitcase that carried Darius, though seeing the device as a simple PDA, he stashed it away rather than tinker with it, as he despised technology.
It was not long before Joanna was to find the improvised town on the destroyed remains of the train. The gypsies were not versed in medicine the way that Joanna was, and she prooved to be an incredible aid to them, not only by curing their ailments but teaching them how to mend minor wounds and treat certain kinds of food, spending a couple of days with them, but improving their life, and thus their survival, tremendously. It was at this point that Marcus asked to meet her personally
"The help you have given us, Miss Sinbow... Is something that i cannot even begin to repay you." The man humbly talked to her as he took her hand, kissing it as a gesture of appreciation
"W-Well... Thanks, but i'm just doing my job, Mister uh..." "Marcus. Please, Just call me Marcus." He smiled at her as he let her hand go, looking at her and her equipment for a moment "Hmm. There is one thing i have however that you could definately get much more use of than me, or any one of my people will. If you could just wait for a second..."
He turned around and went into his personal chambers for a moment, getting back outside with a black metal suitcase, he put it on one of the compartments several tables and presented it to her, opening it up and showing the device inside, as well as the cables and other related gizmos. "I found this little... Treasure, ages ago. But i'm afraid that i have no use for such technologies, let alone anyone of my children and brothers... Please, feel free to take it with you, it is the least we can do to thank you."
Joanna sighed, looking at the PDA like device, figuring he was right, and that at the very least she could hand it to someone else if she found no use for it. She took the case, thanked Marcus and promised to return to the camp every once in a while to check up on them, as well as provide them with whatever medical assitance they needed.
It was that way that Darius came into the hands of a completely unaware Joanna Sinbow, who walked back with the sentient AI back to the main 'Village' of the outlands, unaware of what was laying for her in the future thanks to this little addition to her 'equipment'.
What will these authorizations give your character in regards to perks or defects?
Perks
- Access to a general, but at the same time limited base of knowledge of mankind in general. Such as processes for certain products or simple historical facts.
- Ability to work easier with computer systems thanks to connecting the Device, and thus the AI, to the system in question.
- A 'partner' so to speak.
Defects
- The maintenance the PDA requires means the character will require the aid of someone who is actually versed in electronics to work with it
- Since Joanna is not entirely familiar with high tech stuff, she will not be able to use the device to it's full lenght, If not require the aid of someone with more technological experience to do so
- The database inside the PDA is encrypted, meaning not all information is available, and thus the character's current access is limited at best (OOC this would translate to being able to use it to 'find' some information but no in-depth instructions/knowledge unless it was cracked by someone with a higher technological skill)
- The AI, Darius, can become a bit of a nuisance in some cases, as well as be difficult to relate to for other characters.
- Having a high piece of technology, The character would be in the eye of anyone that could be remotely interested in technology, knowledge, or power.
What do you plan to do with these perks/defects?
Obviously to create more interesting RP, but mainly because i feel like Joanna has never had any actual 'particular' things about her character other than being "that redhead with the burned face that 'may' heal you up". She needs to have something that actually throws a bit of "Weird" into the mix, something that is genuinely interesting and allows her character and the ones around her to move forward.
Will anyone else need these auths? (If so, list OOC and IC name(s))
Nope.
Which server does this apply for?
Outlands
Extra Notes (optional):
As you can see, i put a lot of defects for this idea, for obvious reasons. It's risky all around.
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Being a player who's RP'd with Eli, I know he would be able to handle this Passively, which is why I +support him. But the hologram part is something that i'm having trouble understanding, due to the fact that it's currently 2012 and really haven't mastered the technology. But this is the future (2017) and it may be possible.
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It would be better if you provided how your character went through the seven hour war and her life before it. Also, with your back story, although it made sense, Recruits would never be allowed to do what you described in your story. It doesn't seem right how they would be transporting such an important thing through convey, as dropship would seem more logical. It just seems too easy that they would lose such a precious item. However, I do like the story and will provide my support, although I would like if it didn't have so many strange things, such as Recruits in the Outlands.
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IF you consider the fact that in the HL2 universe AI's exist in rather complex stages (See Portal 1 and 2, which are in the same universe as HL2) AI's are nowhere near "impossible" to create. That said, this AI is independently created by a group of researchers, and therefore not linked to black mesa or aperture science. The hologram part considering the technology available at both stations that wasn't necesarily bolted to their facilities is also a reason to think it could be done. Besides you have to take into account this device was a prototype, meaning it had tech that was "state of the art"
As for the backstory of Joanna, i believe i've covered that before as she is not a new character. She's in fact one of my first characters in outlands, and this is more of an addition to her equipment than an auth to create her. Still if the admins do require it i can write some about her.
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Elions is a great Rper, who's characters are always inventive and engaging on a multitude of levels. He frequently finds ways to incorporate other characters into passive and action RP, and this authorization (from my perspective), would continue to re-enforce his resolve for more innovative and fun RP.
+Support with no hesitation
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The AI being a seperate character will not work. For the simple fact characters cannot interact, and under the assumption it would be your character this would cause that rule to be broken.
As for the entire app, it seems a bit short to me for what it is. Though it's not a lot being asked for, it is an unusual and frankly extreme auth, so you need extreme detail. And recruits walking through outlands is a complete no, the only combine would be the overwatch. And it would be delivered via dropship. So unless that is fixed I cannot support this at all.
(Yes, I am saying a full rewrite to be more plausible is require. Sorry.)
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The AI being a seperate character will not work. For the simple fact characters cannot interact, and under the assumption it would be your character this would cause that rule to be broken.
As for the entire app, it seems a bit short to me for what it is. Though it's not a lot being asked for, it is an unusual and frankly extreme auth, so you need extreme detail. And recruits walking through outlands is a complete no, the only combine would be the overwatch. And it would be delivered via dropship. So unless that is fixed I cannot support this at all.
(Yes, I am saying a full rewrite to be more plausible is require. Sorry.)
With the AI being a separate character i mean that i'd essentially have to /it his lines and what not, but he'd be present along with Joanna at all times.
And while i can agree to put a bit more detail into some parts of the auth, i cannot agree that it's an "extreme" auth, specially considering both AI and Holographic tech exist in the HL universe. "Extreme" doesn't really describe this auth at all.
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The AI being a seperate character will not work. For the simple fact characters cannot interact, and under the assumption it would be your character this would cause that rule to be broken.
As for the entire app, it seems a bit short to me for what it is. Though it's not a lot being asked for, it is an unusual and frankly extreme auth, so you need extreme detail. And recruits walking through outlands is a complete no, the only combine would be the overwatch. And it would be delivered via dropship. So unless that is fixed I cannot support this at all.
(Yes, I am saying a full rewrite to be more plausible is require. Sorry.)
With the AI being a separate character i mean that i'd essentially have to /it his lines and what not, but he'd be present along with Joanna at all times.
And while i can agree to put a bit more detail into some parts of the auth, i cannot agree that it's an "extreme" auth, specially considering both AI and Holographic tech exist in the HL universe. "Extreme" doesn't really describe this auth at all.
Ah, in that case I can see it being done.
By extreme I meant the circumstances that you described which would never happen ICly, especially with something such high value to the CCA.
Plus, from the Auth App Do's and Do not's
Restrictions:
No authorizations will be given via authorization applications for be the following:
- Stalker
- Any other NPC - headcrabs, zombies, seagulls, barnacles, etc
- Any canon character - Alyx, Eli, Gordon, etc
- Black Mesa employee/Black Mesa knowledge
- SYNTH Units - hunters, striders, etc
- V, G, Q, C, n, z and m flags.
- Weapons/Ammunition - you cannot apply for weapons such as a pistol or SMG. You are allowed to apply for knives or or gain them through IC purposes on the servers, but you MUST be able to provide a time and date of when you acquired this weapon when asked by an admin.
- Resistance Vests
- Special/Psychic Powers
- Anything related to the CCA/Combine
- Vehicles (Jeeps, etc)
- 'Child' Characters
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The AI being a seperate character will not work. For the simple fact characters cannot interact, and under the assumption it would be your character this would cause that rule to be broken.
As for the entire app, it seems a bit short to me for what it is. Though it's not a lot being asked for, it is an unusual and frankly extreme auth, so you need extreme detail. And recruits walking through outlands is a complete no, the only combine would be the overwatch. And it would be delivered via dropship. So unless that is fixed I cannot support this at all.
(Yes, I am saying a full rewrite to be more plausible is require. Sorry.)
With the AI being a separate character i mean that i'd essentially have to /it his lines and what not, but he'd be present along with Joanna at all times.
And while i can agree to put a bit more detail into some parts of the auth, i cannot agree that it's an "extreme" auth, specially considering both AI and Holographic tech exist in the HL universe. "Extreme" doesn't really describe this auth at all.
Ah, in that case I can see it being done.
By extreme I meant the circumstances that you described which would never happen ICly, especially with something such high value to the CCA.
Plus, from the Auth App Do's and Do not's
Restrictions:
No authorizations will be given via authorization applications for be the following:
- Stalker
- Any other NPC - headcrabs, zombies, seagulls, barnacles, etc
- Any canon character - Alyx, Eli, Gordon, etc
- Black Mesa employee/Black Mesa knowledge
- SYNTH Units - hunters, striders, etc
- V, G, Q, C, n, z and m flags.
- Weapons/Ammunition - you cannot apply for weapons such as a pistol or SMG. You are allowed to apply for knives or or gain them through IC purposes on the servers, but you MUST be able to provide a time and date of when you acquired this weapon when asked by an admin.
- Resistance Vests
- Special/Psychic Powers
- Anything related to the CCA/Combine
- Vehicles (Jeeps, etc)
- 'Child' Characters
This is why he's not directly related to the CCA, but is a independently developed project. The combine were trying to reverse engineer the technology since a portable unit like him is 'new'. The very few things he got FROM the CCA are, as the auth explains, useless or stuff the rebellion already knows. As for how he got transported so easily, it's because they wanted the thing to remain mostly a secret, including from other CCA personel. Besides the fact they had no reason to believe the rebellion would hear of the convoy, or you could even explain it as "A problem of over-confidence". If the auth seems short, i'm sorry, but i did not want to write an entire novel for this and have to bore the admin reading it (I've heard from admins more than once complain of long auths, so i condensed as much information in as little text as possible for utility's sake.)
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"Kept a secret from other CCA personnel" "Given to a recruit to take through outlands"
Let me make it simple as I have said:
It is CCA as it is for something related to the CCA as they are carrying it and it bears the CCA logo. Not to mention the uncanon backstory. As it stands this could be denied right now for failing to comply with canon as well as breaking auth app rules.
That being said, you have one chance to fix it. Length doesn't matter, more is better if it is relevant. Admins are just lazy.
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"Kept a secret from other CCA personnel" "Given to a recruit to take through outlands"
Let me make it simple as I have said:
It is CCA as it is for something related to the CCA as they are carrying it and it bears the CCA logo. Not to mention the uncanon backstory. As it stands this could be denied right now for failing to comply with canon as well as breaking auth app rules.
That being said, you have one chance to fix it. Length doesn't matter, more is better if it is relevant. Admins are just lazy.
I'll write up something more detailed, but the item itself is not related to the CCA, nor is the character itself, but is simply being carried by them, besides the fact the recruit was not told WHAT he was carrying, simply not to lose it. I'll make the changes that you're asking for, since you do have a point on how detailed it should be. However i don't see how the story's in any way "non-canon". This restricts itself to what we have seen is possible in HL1 and 2 as well as stick to the idea of combine restricting technology to people (though as i read through this, getting the device caught on by the CCA so quickly can be seen as a major problem in the story) I'll write up something tomorrow to acommodate it.
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I finally took my time to edit the story. It's a bit shorter unfortunately, but it adresses the idea of how is it that the AI remained away from Combine hands and explains how it got into Joanna's hands in a more accurate manner.
As for detail, i'd please ask in what parts do you want more detail now, wether it's the construction of the AI or how she got the device, since i can't do anything with just "needs more detail", it's a rather vague line to use.
If it needs any further editing, do let me know.
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Just trying to bring attention to this thread right now, i need to know wether this will get accepted or denied after all.
And please do realise RTLK's "This has to do with the CCA" or "This is extreme" is a load of crock .-. Holograms and AI's were /not/ out of reach according to HL's canon, and i can proove it if necesary
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Prove it, please. Just a few thing firsts, Black Mesa was destroyed long before the Seven Hour War, and Aperture Science has so far never been discovered by even the Combine, with all AS personal killed by Glados, who I might add, was so unstable she tried to kill everyone within the first few seconds of booting up. If AI's were made in the HL universe, they would be extremely unstable and require massive amounts of power to make, as well as a full science development team.
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We'll start of prooving that Holograms are in fact plausible and have been used before in HL.
I am sure of course that all of you have played Half Life 1, the original. Half life 1 has an in-canon "Hazard Course" which served the purpose of helping new players understand how the game works, during this course you are assisted by a Holographic AI, that identifies itself as one as well as shows that Holograms not only exist, but they exist in vivid colours.
Proof of this point can be found in the following video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlSzuu9iXlo
As for wether it is plausible outside Black mesa, this is a rather simple thing to proove. As we have seen in HL2, there are several pieces of technology that we see in black mesa that re-appear, even after it's destruction, for these to reapear we can assume that they were not black mesa specific but technology advancements that were in fact common in the real world. Such things as keypad systems, retinal scanners, the super computers and in some cases the lab equipment and even the HEV standarized suit that can be seen as early as Kleiner's lab in HL2. Though i doubt this requires video proof, i will provide some in the following video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LgWPAE6RAA
The AI subject can be a bit more tricky, however, considering that Half Life is in the same universe as Portal, my task is made a bit easier.
If we take Portal 2's (And i'm sorry for this but i will have to go to spoiler territory for those who have not finished Portal 2) explanation for how Glados became "evil", or the why Wheatley became evil, is because the system that the AI was hooked into had specific programming to make them obsessive with testing, unfortunately the system backfires and corrupts the AI. This is also prooven by Wheatley changing his personality in it's entirety when he's disconected from it. The AI was not unstable or evil perse, but it was corrupted by the programming of the core that controlled the entirety of aperture science and it's faulty testing (ironic huh) There's also the fact that Aperture was constantly assaulted by people stealing their patents and ideas throughout their existance, meaning that even if AI's were an aperture specific thing, chances are the idea, schematics or even an AI itself was leaked out for people to tinker with, making it more than plausible that Aperture, Black mesa, and the combine are not the only ones capable of creating AI's or knowledge-able on the AI matter. This point is prooven by, well, the entirety of portal 2, which i can't just link on a video but i will trust you can understand.
Finally, The fact that all of these are plausible, even more so currently exist or existed at one point in the Half life and portal universe prooves that creating a new one is not impossible, however the novel part of this idea is the fact that this one is being carried on a portable device, which is why the hologram projector is only one colour (Specifically, though i did not put this in the auth, it would be cyan-ish) And is of course limited to what the user allows it to do, meaning the AI would be very much locked to what Joanna asks it to do or what she permits him to do. There's also the fact that given the 10 year (or so) difference between the black mesa destruction and the seven hour war, there was plenty of time for the doctor who created the AI to make the progress, given that nowadays in 10 years of well supported development we can achieve tremendous things, and for that i simply cite you to important scientific research that has been done presently. Seriously just pick one and you'll find something cool that's in prototype stage or what not.
EDIT: I also forgot to point out, the AI in HL1 never identifies itself as a trademark of black mesa, or has any kind of hint that it is such, meaning it is plausible, if not logical, that it's not a piece of technology that is locked to black mesa.
Double edit!: Oh and as for the power intake of AI's, i cite Glados being able to work while connected to a bloody POTATO. And the fact that the AI's in portal were created by supposedly a very underpaid and small group of Aperture people, meaning that they did not require that much effort to create the advanced stuff you see in the games.
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It would take years in order to create a highly, working Artificial Intelligence unless you want it to work like a dumb one ofcourse. You want those AI holograms that appear on a small pad? Well, that's going to take a lot of advanced technology (which the humans don't got) and a large percentage of scientific intelligence and scientists in order to create one. The Combine have advanced technology but it would be very hard to hack into one with knowledge unless you have any sort of machine like the zapper that Alyx Vance uses. If you want the AI that is like a AI attached to a potatoe that talks and doesn't look like a hologram, well, I guess that could work out but mediumically (50 to 65 percent chance).
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It would take years in order to create a highly, working Artificial Intelligence unless you want it to work like a dumb one ofcourse. You want those AI holograms that appear on a small pad? Well, that's going to take a lot of advanced technology (which the humans don't got) and a large percentage of scientific intelligence and scientists in order to create one. The Combine have advanced technology but it would be very hard to hack into one with knowledge unless you have any sort of machine like the zapper that Alyx Vance uses. If you want the AI that is like a AI attached to a potatoe that talks and doesn't look like a hologram, well, I guess that could work out but mediumically (50 to 65 percent chance).
Not necesarily. As i stated before, Aperture science suffered of leakings of their scientific developments over and over again, thus we can theorize that it would be in fact easy for someone in the fields of science (both computer wise and in portal tech) to get ahold of their schematics and ideas. Considering in canon the AI's were created before the war, or even the black mesa incident, the ability to create an AI that was close to the level of personality and ability as those in Portal is not as low as 50% but more of around 80%, making it VERY likely there existed other AI's. And as for the advanced technology part, again i cite the fact that there was a very big time in between the incident and the war, and that there are some big "technological advancements" already in the Half Life world that make it more than plausible that they had the technology to create such a display and device. Point in case is the HEV suit for example, the Biogel, etc.
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It would take years in order to create a highly, working Artificial Intelligence unless you want it to work like a dumb one ofcourse. You want those AI holograms that appear on a small pad? Well, that's going to take a lot of advanced technology (which the humans don't got) and a large percentage of scientific intelligence and scientists in order to create one. The Combine have advanced technology but it would be very hard to hack into one with knowledge unless you have any sort of machine like the zapper that Alyx Vance uses. If you want the AI that is like a AI attached to a potatoe that talks and doesn't look like a hologram, well, I guess that could work out but mediumically (50 to 65 percent chance).
Not necesarily. As i stated before, Aperture science suffered of leakings of their scientific developments over and over again, thus we can theorize that it would be in fact easy for someone in the fields of science (both computer wise and in portal tech) to get ahold of their schematics and ideas. Considering in canon the AI's were created before the war, or even the black mesa incident, the ability to create an AI that was close to the level of personality and ability as those in Portal is not as low as 50% but more of around 80%, making it VERY likely there existed other AI's. And as for the advanced technology part, again i cite the fact that there was a very big time in between the incident and the war, and that there are some big "technological advancements" already in the Half Life world that make it more than plausible that they had the technology to create such a display and device. Point in case is the HEV suit for example, the Biogel, etc.
The Half-Life icon called the "Hazardous Environmental Suit" had a dumb Artificial Intelligence attached to it which had very little emotion. If you want the better emotional one such as Cortana from Halo 3, then I don't think the Combine have the right combine for such a tool, although it could happen. Human technology is not advanced today as we know it so that makes it useless to create a Artificial Intelligence in 2016 or the prior storyline of Half-Life 2 since the Combine have been recently significantly slowing down the process of creating new human technologoy. The Halo franchise is a great example of what a Artificial Intelligence would be in 500 years from now. Examples in Halo includes Cortana, Serena, Auntie Dot, Guilty Spark 343, etc.
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The Half-Life icon called the "Hazardous Environmental Suit" had a dumb Artificial Intelligence attached to it which had very little emotion. If you want the better emotional one such as Cortana from Halo 3, then I don't think the Combine have the right combine for such a tool, although it could happen. Human technology is not advanced today as we know it so that makes it useless to create a Artificial Intelligence in 2016 or the prior storyline of Half-Life 2 since the Combine have been recently significantly slowing down the process of creating new human technologoy. The Halo franchise is a great example of what a Artificial Intelligence would be in 500 years from now. Examples in Halo includes Cortana, Serena, Auntie Dot, Guilty Spark 343, etc.
You're really stretching to put the subject of AI in question you know. Like i said, the AI's i'm referencing are in portal, not half life, or the HEV AI. The technology as i've already proven with the previous posts, we're not talking about the technology WE have, we're talking about what THEY had in the half life/portal universe. You can't say either that they're not connected since, as shown in EP2, they are in fact in the same universe, thus the AI's that exist in portal 2 and 1, which are quite advanced when it comes to actual feelings, ideas, interactions with humans and the rest, the comparison that you make to Halo and the years that separate it is honestly irrelevant, since it doesn't happen in the same universe nor does it actually entail what is possible in our existance at alll.
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The Half-Life icon called the "Hazardous Environmental Suit" had a dumb Artificial Intelligence attached to it which had very little emotion. If you want the better emotional one such as Cortana from Halo 3, then I don't think the Combine have the right combine for such a tool, although it could happen. Human technology is not advanced today as we know it so that makes it useless to create a Artificial Intelligence in 2016 or the prior storyline of Half-Life 2 since the Combine have been recently significantly slowing down the process of creating new human technologoy. The Halo franchise is a great example of what a Artificial Intelligence would be in 500 years from now. Examples in Halo includes Cortana, Serena, Auntie Dot, Guilty Spark 343, etc.
You're really stretching to put the subject of AI in question you know. Like i said, the AI's i'm referencing are in portal, not half life, or the HEV AI. The technology as i've already proven with the previous posts, we're not talking about the technology WE have, we're talking about what THEY had in the half life/portal universe. You can't say either that they're not connected since, as shown in EP2, they are in fact in the same universe, thus the AI's that exist in portal 2 and 1, which are quite advanced when it comes to actual feelings, ideas, interactions with humans and the rest, the comparison that you make to Halo and the years that separate it is honestly irrelevant, since it doesn't happen in the same universe nor does it actually entail what is possible in our existance at alll.
Oh, I get what you mean. Well then, that's that. (cough cubbage quote)
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So as far as I've understood and followed in this battle:
One: That, Ellions cannot interact with one of his own characters, as stated in the HL2RP rules:
http://www.catalyst-gaming.net/index.php?topic=495.0, please read rule Nr. 24. :)
Yet again, this AI is in a way, not Ellions character, yet another imaginary character, which is not there visually, yet still there with contact.
A SA's point of view on this, was RTLK's. He said it was not auth'd since two character, but I ask to kindly review this point.
Two: The AI holographic technology did not exist.
That's not true, as Ellions himself already pointed out. A hologram, AI, is seen during the Half life training course, guiding the player through it. Therefore, this technology did actually exist and some of it, could of been saved during the destruction. I do not say how much was saved, I say that only a bit was.
In my opinion, I do not see any reason why to deny this, yet neither to accept it.
This application has been worked on for quiet a time, updated, re-written and the said player has changed quiet a few things, advised by other admins.
It would be nice, if any other admin would participate in this judgement again, so we can figure out a way to lay this.
If this is not possible and a longer discussions of why this is impossible or not, I would like to request a steam chat instead, so we could speak over it instead of those day long answers and questions.
If any appears to be supporting my idea, you may add me on steam and contact me. If you've already have me on steam, feel free to do the same.
Remember this: Now, where we do have much of this application stated, I only want to find a fair judge on this.
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Thanks for pointing out some of the bigger issues in a more simple way, Challenge.
I wouldn't mind talking about this matter over a steamchat with other admins and once again defending my point if it takes on to that, you can get my steamID easily i believe through the forum already.
And just a thing for the record, my name only has one L :P
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I do not like pressuring when it comes to auths, but it has been 14 days, literally 2 weeks since this auth has been up, and i have responded and debunked all of the criticism as well as spoken personally to admins to clarify the matter of what and how the auth will go through, i think the ruling is way overdue at this point.
I'd just like confirmation on wether i can or can't do this, though i believe i have prooved it is more than possible for something like this to exist in the HL2 universe and have taken care of the story making sense for it as well.
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As Elions already stated, me and him had a nice steam talk, regarding his AI. I've got some of my questions answered and I can't come up with any for now. I'll go ahead and post it, if any of you would appear to have similiar questions.
03:22 - Elions: Hey Challenge
03:23 - Elions: The app's taking so long i figured i'd take you up on the steam chat idea
03:23 - Challenge of death sex<3: Yes, I read your reply on your app. :P
03:24 - Challenge of death sex<3: Personally, I think it's a fine idea and you're a capable person enough to handle it AND not abuse it.
03:24 - Elions: I take it you still have some doubts though :o
03:25 - Challenge of death sex<3: Still doubts a bit, yes. :)
03:25 - Challenge of death sex<3: But well, that's my job. :)
03:25 - Elions: Well, ask away and maybe i can answer most of it
03:25 - Challenge of death sex<3: To figure out the negatives and the positives, then figure out a correct way. :P
03:25 - Challenge of death sex<3: And currently; I'm blank considering it's 03:25 am at the current moment at me. xD
03:25 - Elions: Oh. woops
03:25 - Elions: Where do you even live? o_O?
03:25 - Challenge of death sex<3: Denmark. :)
03:26 - Elions: Oh that explains the massive time difference
03:26 - Challenge of death sex<3: Haha. xD
03:26 - Challenge of death sex<3: You? :P
03:26 - Elions: Chile
03:26 - Elions: The small country in south america, in case you don't know
03:27 - Challenge of death sex<3 grumbly grumbles.
03:27 - Challenge of death sex<3: I know the name, but can't place an exact location.
03:27 - Elions: The entire west coast of south america is basically chile
03:27 - Challenge of death sex<3: Ah.
03:27 - Elions: And a little bit of peru technically
03:27 - Challenge of death sex<3: Yes, that would be the difference. :P
03:28 - Elions: Any quick questions you want to ask me about the auth though?
03:29 - Challenge of death sex<3: Actually, I'm wondering what you would use the AI to, yet it's an inactive person so I guess most likely for passive rp and for just "speaking" to yourself.
03:29 - Elions: Well, mainly i'd use the AI for passive RP and for interactions with other characters, i'd also use it as a moral polar to Joanna, since she has basically turned into a neutral character
03:30 - Challenge of death sex<3: I see. Any direct rp you would do with said character?
03:30 - Elions: There's also dealing with computers and consulting the small database Darius has in him, since in the story i put he has "knowledge" of just about most things, but it's all in some way encrypted
03:31 - Elions: Like researching about a specific medical method or what not, basically an IC way to do things like looking up things on a wiki or what not, that's the easiest way i can describe it
03:32 - Elions: Obviously it would never give the ability to the character to do everything shown, but it would help give some idea of what they need to do, and who or what they might need to accomplish it
03:32 - Elions: Direct RP... I figure that would involve talking to Dr. Sharp for example, since he's the one in outlands that currently is best versed in electronics and what not
03:33 - Elions: Talking to other characters like Matthew or Beans is a strong possibility too. Since Jo wouldn't always have Darius with her, or so i figure
03:33 - Challenge of death sex<3: I see.
03:34 - Challenge of death sex<3: So basically your AI is some sort of search module, able to look up different knowledge, which has already been implanted in the device.
03:34 - Challenge of death sex<3: ?*
03:35 - Elions: Indeed, basically information it saved prior to the war, and obviously it would also be able to interact with a computer easier and faster than a human can
03:36 - Challenge of death sex<3: Interesting point of view. Now I do certainly hope, that this device does not contain EVERYTHING. :P At some points it must be "Blank" for knowledge. Considering CCA / combine technology and such in that category. :P
03:36 - Elions: indeed. I'd make it blank on stuff i know OTHER characters know, so there's a way to continue the RP situation or something like that, or i'd make it "Encrypted", making them have to work their way around it to fully understand it
03:37 - Elions: Basically, increase the difficulty of resolving the situation as it is necesary.
03:37 - Challenge of death sex<3: I see.
03:37 - Elions: It's not a deus ex machina, just a small aid that also makes things more interesting
03:38 - Challenge of death sex<3: Any plans for, what the device will contain for informations? :)
03:38 - Elions: Medical and Mechanical information, possibly historical too
03:38 - Elions: A bit of everything, but nothing complicated
03:39 - Challenge of death sex<3: Hmm.
03:39 - Elions: If i had to limit it, i'd go for Medical, Chemical and Historical
03:40 - Elions: With sparse knowledge at best of other fields
03:41 - Challenge of death sex<3: What I would think would be fair;
Medical knowledgement; Slightly above average, able to guide how to remove a bullet.
Mechanical knewlodgement; Mechanical device, duuuurh? :P
Chemical; Slightly, seeing it combined with medical knowledge.
Historical; Can be found in books, so most like a certain theme such as the european history / vikings / Britain and their cities.
03:43 - Elions: Could medical knowledge also include other stuff, such as treating poisoning or dealing with heavy infections?
03:44 - Elions: Historical related to Europe would be fine by me, considering Outlands and City are in europe after all
03:44 - Challenge of death sex<3: Poisoning up to a medium level I would assume, not one of those that kills within minutes, except if snake / spider bite I think. :)
Heave infections... Hmm... Depends on the situation and how much the infection have spread. :)
03:46 - Elions: Well, seems fine by me, since it compliments what my character already knows in character. The last question would be wether due to Darius being an Ai and thus an electronic device in itself, would i be able to use him for knowledge on how to deal with the repair or maintenance of certain devices? (to some extent obviously)
03:49 - Challenge of death sex<3: Some extent possible. I would say slightly car knowledgement and able to persist in the knowledge of radios and such.
If I could sort it by category;
Minor mechanical; Full knowledgement. (Radios, phones, etc.)
Medium mecahnical: Slightly less knowledgement. (Computers etc.)
Heavy mechanical: A few, not much. (Slightly car and etc, yet not that much so you can fully repair.)
Each of those should be discussed though. :)
03:49 - Elions: I'd be ok with those limits
03:49 - Elions: Seems fair, and like i said, i didn't expect this to be some sort of deus ex machina device
03:50 - Elions: So what should i do now? Wait untill someone can accept or deny it?
03:50 - Challenge of death sex<3: I'm not an SA, so I can't accept this, nor deny it. :c
You may of course, suggest other things or moderate it. Take some from and add something else, but it would be nice if we actually could get working on our auths apps. :)
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Alright, so now I'm wondering why some admins have something against a single player, having 2 characters to know each others.
I was sadly disappointed a lot when I found an appeal by a person.
This person wanted the character un-outlandiefied and what I saw; It was two characters in one. Earlier I had seen this weird character, who apparently was a robot. That's incredible, isn't it?
Two characters, who know each others and one of them is a robot. That's sadly new.
http://www.catalyst-gaming.net/index.php?topic=19995.0
I am to apologise to Reaver, that I use his appeal for this statement, but it's a great one. I've got no offense towards Reaver's two characters, but I don't get why some people may not be treated equal.
Please -any SA- read those, would you mind?
Edit:
Apparently Reaver's "two" characters, was only one (a robot) controlled by his other character. I just misunderstood it.
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I was hesitant on reavers but he explained it and it was similar to how we do scanners (unit controlling it, not q separate character)
<::|| Sent from a mobile datapad codename Mecha ||::>
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I was hesitant on reavers but he explained it and it was similar to how we do scanners (unit controlling it, not q separate character)
<::|| Sent from a mobile datapad codename Mecha ||::>
Well, how i would control the character would basically be a /it while i'm playing as Joanna, when i say "separate character in it's own right" is that it would be a different personality from Joanna.
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Alright well, I certainly hope everyone has gotten thier concerns out of the way, and if so, I'd like to just accept this, and see how it all plays out. Obviously if it looks like it isn't going to work out, then it goes, and if it works it stays. Simple.
I'll wait a day or so for another admin to reply here before making a decision.
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The best way I see to go through with this would be:
-AI can solve math equations
-Provide information on earth's history
-Store information and logs (including photographs and video)
-Detect electronic disruptions such as radio communications, sonar pings, and satellite uplinks
-If one knows how to splice wires correctly of certain connectors or create converters, could access computer systems (though you stated she doesnt know how to use it fully and isnt familiar with tech)
Also, how does one charge it? Where did it get the information it already knows from? How durable is this cause when moving through the outlands, there's a high chance at tripping and falling on something, landing on said PDA.
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The best way I see to go through with this would be:
-AI can solve math equations
-Provide information on earth's history
-Store information and logs (including photographs and video)
-Detect electronic disruptions such as radio communications, sonar pings, and satellite uplinks
-If one knows how to splice wires correctly of certain connectors or create converters, could access computer systems (though you stated she doesnt know how to use it fully and isnt familiar with tech)
Also, how does one charge it? Where did it get the information it already knows from? How durable is this cause when moving through the outlands, there's a high chance at tripping and falling on something, landing on said PDA.
I can solve those questions easily :D
"How does one charge it?"
As i stated in the auth, the man carrying the briefcase was carrying it with all the extra gizmos it would ever need (basically cables and a memory card). We all also know being in the outlands doesn't mean you don't have electricity, as there's a small generator ICLY in the inn and some parts of the old destroyed bunker still have electricity on them. Joanna would simply have to hook Darius up to one of these for a while or connect him to a computer.
"Where did it get the information it already knows from?"
As stated, Darius was 'invented' in the period between the black mesa incident and the war, thus he was not deprived of information sources that he was actively connected to like the internet and .pdf files of books. He stored all the information he was curious about and made notes on some, though with the invasion ocurring the doctor figured it would be best to encrypt some of the information, thus not all the information he has is completely readily available for people.
"How durable is this cause when moving through the outlands, there's a high chance at tripping and falling on something, landing on said PDA."
Let's look at this the following way. The doctor just invented a mobile AI, something that is by no means little, let alone simple, why would he risk it being destroyed by encasing it in something that was not sturdy? To put it bluntly, the doctor sacrificed the looks of the PDA for security and functionality, meaning the PDA is pretty sturdy, but the screen and hologram are not anything super-flashy. This means that the device in itself can sustain quite a bit of punishment, and is not out of the ordinary to try and repair him if someone has knowledge of electronics and mechanics.
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Alright well, I'm satisfied, if there are no objections within a day, this'll be accepted.
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Alright well, I'm satisfied, if there are no objections within a day, this'll be accepted.
There will always be objections, towards every action. When will you ever learn? :P
It would be nice, though, that this application finally got judged and recieved a verdict, after being up for so long. (Which it really shouldn't had been.)
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Kom i don't want to be rude but you said the App would be accepted if no one said anything in a day 2 days ago... soooo.... :P
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Yeah my bad, I thought I had already thrown this in the accepted pile.
Accepted, moved, locked.