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Half-Life 2 Roleplay => Topic started by: ??. McBullet on April 25, 2012, 10:30:50 PM
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Here's my opinion, and I'll be frank.
The only thing that seperates a recruit from a trainer (OfC+) is about 20 seconds of Google Searches. Let any recruit who is well-versed in literary arts do some google-ing and he or she will be as good as is required of an Officer. Want to fill that gap that we're suffering from between HC and recruits? Think about that approach. Wipe High Command completely. Any incumbent HC members who are mad can either fuck off or show their qualities to get the spot back. Find people who are decent writers and RolePlayers. Assess those people for leadership qualities. Have them study up on something they want to "train" recruits in. So, yeah. High Cummand, try that approach and I swear on my life you won't see worse results. You can't really enforce all these rules and regulations on a HC Officer when you yourselves have no more idea what you're doing than a fresh face would.
Simple as that. No formalities. No red-tape. Just do it.
There. Good day.
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This would be perfect. Especially after just getting around to fixing the CCA after the reform.
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I do think the wipe of the lower ranks was stupid and a waste of time. Most problems would lie within the High Command. Experience would be the main difference between the two, but I think that the High Command could use restructuring, not the lower ranks.
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I have not seen a problem with the VICE High Command as I obviously run it and I never get told anything really important. I get told allot on radio about JURY which in my opinion needs some work. JURY should be the main focus as it is the base of the CCA. My units in VICE have taken it to understand that I will shoot them if they fuck up. I have told them and my officers. When I get more units I can finally get more projects done.
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I'll bump this 100%. I watched a CmD give breach training once and failed to properly instruct units. Two other units were shot for trying to correct the SeC IC'ly and Tried to tell him OOC as well. I would greatly advise a RE-Interview of some sort to gage all the High Command units and grade them on what they know about their position and so forth. Had some issues earlier with breaching as well when doing the correct breaching positioning the units failed to properly breach and then proceeded to blame myself. Just my part on all of this.
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I strongly agree with this. If the current High Command were to be wiped, it would lead units to leave the CCA.
How is that a good thing? We don't want units who wouldn't fight for their spot.
We used to go about promoting units by their training requirements. Unfortunately, that led to a downfall.
I hope to see this idea come into effect.
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You hit the nail on the head, Jonco. What's the point in having HC who just lounges out when they reach that comfy rank? If they are good leaders, they'll show they have the balls to fight for their position.
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Take it as a note: Stay true to your division.. I will never leave VICE. I love my guys I work with and I enjoy it all the time to build with them. I am not leaving til I finish my plan and my work. VICE is doing well, I am waiting for some new units to come in after their promotions.
I will not take any shit from anyone..
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I agree with Jonco, it feels really upsetting, to be honest, trying to correct someone on their fault and then hearing about how it was what their Instructor had taught them and that it is right, on top of that not being able to discuss openly about the subject considering quickly after they deny what has been said and continuing on. High Command is more than just a person who gives orders and teaches you things, its people who are Role Models for lower units and basically tells Units who dont know much, what is correct and what isn't.
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I would have to agree with Bullet, I know I am late, but it matters not to me. He was a great leader before, so he knows what he is doing and what he is saying. There was once a time when HC did something, and when being a unit actually meant something, shit got done, and people listened to what they were told, or were punished accordingly. There was once a time where units didn't fuck about, and when second chances were rare. I want this back. Some of the current HC is fucking around, not giving a damn about anything other than the fact that they command a division or something. The current commanders? I don't even know who they are, as I NEVER see ANY of them, they never input on anything, or do anything to benefit the CCA as a whole. There was once a time where it took almost a month, maybe even two just to get promoted past 04. Now we have, lol all training in one day, get promoted Friday. What the fuck is this shit, Taco Bell? No, it really isn't. The CCA is a police force borderlining a paramilitary faction, so some goddamn respect for higher ranks, do as you are fucking told, don't be fucking lazy, and stop fucking about, it causes almost 70% of the issues I hear about. Units cannot be assed to roleplay right, so they just meta or powergame, thinking that it don't matter, thinking, no one will know or care. Well, news flash, A LOT OF PEOPLE CARE. This is utter bullshit. I say we make everything the way it was a year ago, that ACTUALLY WORKED. And well I might add. And before someone disputes my argument with some shit about the map, remember, good roleplay doesn't need visuals, just good writing and even better responses. Stop lolpromoting units, stop begging for promotions, and stop the ass licking for all else, and just do it right. Sometimes the best road to choose is the hardest one. Shit was earned back then, not just handed out to the highest bidder.
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Whatever happens, I feel that ZEALOT should be left out of it. We're fine where we are and I believe that the base issue lies with the more densely populated divisions.
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You've reminded me of another issue by what you just posted.
The CCA's too diverse to be "partisan." This is a team effort and if you're thinking that your division isn't to blame for anything, you're part of the problem. This issue is on all of us, everyone is affected. Remember that. This isn't just an issue for more densely populated divisions. Remember that, Briggs.
That "we're fine just where we are" mentality will spell the doom of the CCA. A true leader will always be thinking about how long their organizations will last and how their decisions will turn out in the long run. Perhaps that "fatherly" thinking can save the CCA.
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In last month on HL2RP, where I spent approx. 20-25 hours each weekend, I maybe once saw SHIELD OfC, no next SHIELD HC. I saw few members of JURY High Command, but only about twice in this month. Only higher-ranked JURY I could play with was Jesusfreak's JURY-01.887. I am not sure if the HC members I have never seen are from different timezones cannot be an excuse. If there are not enough "slots" for OfC's from different timezones - there is a simple solution; increase the amount of OfC's or get rid of inactives. It is simply not fair - different timezone means no chance to meet a HC unit ingame?!
Tl;dr; SUPPORT. Please, do this. Do this!!
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What I mean is: ZEALOT doesn't take part in the affairs of other larger divisions. If there's an inactivity issue with HC, ZEALOT isn't involved because Raged stays active. If there's a leadership issue, then ZEALOT isn't involved because we handle our affairs when they come up. Wiping Raged from his post wouldn't solve anything since there isn't one who can take his post. (And frankly, I wouldn't want anyone to take his post. It'd throw off our mojo).
I'm all for a HC wipe, but wiping Raged from his post wouldn't solve anything for the CCA. But don't misunderstand, I'm for a HC wipe. Those Cmds that are inactive should be kicked.
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+SUPPORT
Apart from the fact that I myself want a shot at being an 01-OfC, what the hell magic fairy world timezone do most HC Units live in where NO ONE EVER SEES THEM. Me and Khub, live in COMPLETELY OPPOSITE TIMEZONES and I barely ever see any HC Units either. These people aren't unseeable because they live in a different time zone, they're unseeable because they're inactive. They're not on.
Non existant.
Pass the torch to someone who's willing to actually be active and do something, you know who you are, and it's shameful to hold a position you're not going to use.
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What I mean is: ZEALOT doesn't take part in the affairs of other larger divisions. If there's an inactivity issue with HC, ZEALOT isn't involved because Raged stays active. If there's a leadership issue, then ZEALOT isn't involved because we handle our affairs when they come up. Wiping Raged from his post wouldn't solve anything since there isn't one who can take his post. (And frankly, I wouldn't want anyone to take his post. It'd throw off our mojo).
I'm all for a HC wipe, but wiping Raged from his post wouldn't solve anything for the CCA. But don't misunderstand, I'm for a HC wipe. Those Cmds that are inactive should be kicked.
The idea that units can be excluded from a wipe goes against the idea of a wipe. If raged is as good as you say he is, he will regain his position and enforce his image as a good leader. Simple. When people get exceptions, the wipe is ruined. Think about it. Bluff and SatN had been planning a wipe for everything. A HC member was excused from it, then another, and then another, and then another. Soon enough, HC was completely intact and the actual, crucial playerbase was kicked down to square one. That was a big load of shit. But, it can all be remedied.
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Well, number one, I don't really think there's a lot of people who currently in the CCA would be qualified to run ZEALOT, and secondly they'd probably have completely different ideas as to how the squad is to operate (yet I have been an EPU/OfC since it's foundation and I have learnt from the two previous DvL's as to how it should be ran and what mistakes to amend) and I have covered the basics such as ensuring all my units adequately know their punctuality and grammar and what the bare minimum of their roleplay should be and their rank permissions and the like.
However I'm all for a HC wipe. I'm the only DvL on I see these days and CmD's are non-existant. Not to mention that but I constantly see units bickering about the inactivity of JURY HC, with just today 701 or 702 complaining that he needed a JURY HC to promote him and that they're never on to do it.
CCA.C45.JURY.OfC.563 - Kom'rk [A]
CCA.C45.JURY.OfC.313 - Teh Caek [IA]
CCA.C45.JURY.OfC.211 - Sexyfrog [?]
I've seen Frog on once and he was on for like an hour. Why are the other two even still in HC? Secondly, the CCA roster isn't even complete so I can't go on about the other divisions and their HC members because they aren't even listed/recorded anywhere.
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I'm going to be short, and frank - I'm not going to flatter myself with my next remarks: VICE is fine. Leave it the fuck alone. Our High Command has worked its way up through months (nearly a year, in my case) of experience. We're active as hell, and our RP is up to scratch, if not above par.
If you want to scrutinize a division, look at JURY or SHIELD. I don't even know the situation with SHIELD at the moment. JURY either has HC that's inactive, or has been in the CCA less than a week.
I don't intend to offend: BB, turn your scrutiny inwards. Things root from the training and sociostability division - The other divisions are icing on the cake. JURY is the main division fudged up at the moment, although there are some issues with SHIELD.
Leave ZEALOT and VICE HC alone. That is all.
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SHIELD doesn't even have a DvL according to the roster.
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The wipe seems to be only a short-term solution. The main problem we had was the RCTs-01s having little knowledge or being completely wrong with everything related to the CCA, which was caused by the people who train said Units. High Command was the problem, as they were the people causing the problem.
This is also why I don't like to train people, as whatever I teach them is either wrong, as some random 01/OfC/EpU told them different. Case example with what happened the other day when SatN ordered me to train someone. I used to follow the TnB method until every single Unit told me I was wrong, then I train the Units in the "right" method and was told that was wrong. i don't even...
Anyways, what I'm suggesting is that we also wipe some of High Command after we evaluate them, or after UED evaluates them.
and seriously, these recruits are starting to annoy the shit out of me >:|
Posted this a few weeks ago in the Commander board, but of course I got no reply from it. I'll just leave this here.
Edit: Just noticed something Blackfur posted, saying that he never sees any Commanders on. I have an excuse, but I can't speak so much for the other Commanders. Our presence on the server doesn't effect anything as much as you expect, I know that whenever I flag up, all I get to do is sit in the CA Office while Units do stuff, then when I come down from the Office, I get complained at for "ruining rp" because I decided to stop a Unit doing some idiotic thing/denied them for something.
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I was given an Officer position for tonight as the ultimatum of Burning Bullet's argument, to prove exactly what he's saying. In his words, I was to "Prove that by making you an Officer from a Recruit I've not only made the right decision, but something wise for the rest of the CCA to follow. I hope you understand how important this is. You're the flagship "from rags to riches" Officer."
That was about from 11PM tonight. It is now 5:57AM. I've learned a whole lot on the job, and I've preformed 5 training sessions spanning across 4 different units of JURY. Most of which complained of the inactivity displayed by the high command in JURY.
This pissed a whole lot of you off, it would seem. Around 12AM tonight SatN caught wind of the situation from being flooded with complaints about upset HC Units, some of which who wouldn't even play in the server - simply because someone they perceived as lesser than them, or more unworthy of the position than them was holding a position in High Command.
I'm sure those of you who were angry will be relieved to know that the hours I spent as a High Command unit will be my last, as I am being moved back down to an 05 position as soon as an admin is available to preform the change.
In around 7 hours I've held 5 trainings, and have been literally on the server most of the time I was awake. I believe even in my brief time as OfC, I've proven Burning's argument. There are a whole lot of High Command units that are completely inactive; useless even, and readily replaced by ANYONE who is willing to put the work in that's required of them, and actually fight to hold a position in High Command, and to stay dedicated to their division.
To a lot of you: Raged, Globey, Purple, among others, this doesn't effect. You're wonderful HC Units, who are active a whole damn lot. But to those of you who are inactive, know your inactive, refrain from training units, and on top of it all, don't even resign from your position, knowing these things? Someone even as 'insignificant' as a recruit can replace you, and do your job twice as effectively.
To the current division leaders, I will add: This should serve as an example for you as well. If you made a mistake and promoted someone to an 01 / OfC rank who does nothing with it? Fuck the system, YOU have the power to find someone that YOU approve of. They don't have to be the guy "Next in line" for the position. They have to be someone you have confidence in, someone you trust, and someone who knows what their position means for their division, and is willing to work at it persistently to fill the role the way it needs to be filled, and you know what? It'll work out just fine in the end. Even if they were only a recruit to start with.
I don't know if SatN will be mad at me for posting this. He probably will, considering he didn't approve of the whole situation in the first place, but what's done is done. I believe I've proven Bullet's argument tonight.
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I strongly agree with this. If the current High Command were to be wiped, it would lead units to leave the CCA.
How is that a good thing? We don't want units who wouldn't fight for their spot.
We used to go about promoting units by their training requirements. Unfortunately, that led to a downfall.
I hope to see this idea come into effect.
THIIIIIISISSSISISISISISSISISISSISSS.
We promoted nearly all units based on their training and time requirements and you couldn't have said it better, that led to a downfall. I know I don't play anymore, but before someone uses that to tell me I'm wrong or I don't know anything, it's not hard to see one of the most obvious problems with the CCA, especially when it's been there for so long. Literally WIPE all High Command besides the SeC obviously, as he will have to promote new units. I really think this will do a whole lot of good for the CCA.
On a side note, if SHIELD really is in need of a DvL, I'd be willing to take the position back if offered and bring back my activity as long as something is done about this.
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Regarding the current condition of SHIELD, I'm a SHIELD 01 and don't even know who our leadership is past Jonco, 718, and he's an OfC. Last week, there was a temporary and possibly long term change from our previous DvL to Yagrum. Things actually went really well, because Yagrum was on for about three days in a row or so and we got three sub divisions up and running and even got our own medical offices. Now there's apparently been some sort of dispute or something with the previous DvL and someone else and I haven't seen Yagrum on in a few days now. So, the last DvL I knew that we even had was Yagrum, and I'm no longer 100% sure if he's still the DvL, or if we even have one. SHIELD also needs more lower ranking members. Everyone is wanting to stay in Jury, which according to the WIP roster, has a ridiculous number of units. I know that units have to stay in JURY until they reach 03, but everyone I talk to says they plan to stay in JURY. Maybe 1 in 8 actually says they're at least thinking about joining SHIELD when they reach the appropriate rank to transfer.
More on topic though, I feel like something has been overlooked with the difference between a recruit and an Officer, which would be experience and time spent in the CCA. Sure, recruits are excited and willing to do their best because they finally got into something they've been trying to get into for awhile. They're excited to do their jobs and want to do it correctly (most of the time...). So they have the drive to do their job and try to do well, but they lack the experience of an Officer and one of the biggest things they lack are respect. A title doesn't give respect. You can't put someone in a DvL position that no one knows or has ever been under the leadership of before and expect their subordinates to fully respect them as much as they would someone that has gotten their hands dirty right along with them. This is why people complained to SatN about Sheo getting a temporary High Command position. He didn't go through what they did to earn it, he didn't get their hands dirty with them to earn their respect to hold such a position. He hasn't spent anywhere near the amount of time they have in the CCA, or in the field doing their job.
Respect is a big thing when it comes to the difference in enlisted ranks and commissioned officers in any organization, whether it be ROTC, which I spent 4 years in, a police force, or even something like Boy Scouts. You can't just throw anyone in an OfC position and expect them to be respected if they haven't bled and sweat with those they're going to be leading.
Don't get me wrong, you can't have inactive High Command, and things do need to change. The respect factor needs to be kept in mind though, because it is important.
Regarding Kronic's post (He posted while I was tying this), I'd like to see him get the SHIELD DvL position back, since he did probably the best job I've seen so far.
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Actually, Airborne. I wanted to stay with Jury due to BB, looks like he's resigning now. I don't have the proper knowledge to become a field medic but I'd sure love to.
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Actually, Airborne. I wanted to stay with Jury due to BB, looks like he's resigning now. I don't have the proper knowledge to become a field medic but I'd sure love to.
Its fine if you don't have any prior knowledge of anything medical. That's what the training courses are for.
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We don't need a complete high command wipe when only 2 divisions are problematic.
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We don't need a complete high command wipe when only 2 divisions are problematic.
Just because only 2 divisions have inactive or no HC, does not mean the others have no problems at all. It's not just activity we're worried about, it's leadership in general.
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Please - Tell me what VICE, be it myself or others, has been doing wrong.
More in regards to the op: People have to sweat their way through the ranks to properly command. It took me around 4-5 months to get up to OfC, each time that I did it. To know how to run a division, you have to climb your way through it.
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ZEALOT hc has a problem. Its been a week now and my 01 hasnt had the chance to appraose two zealot units due to the DvL not being online.
VICE doesnt seem to have a problem. Good command there.
SHIELD is getting fixed by yagrum. Whoever the nick dude is should gtfo. Never heard of him. He has zero leadership skill compared to Yagrums awesomeness.
JURY high command is in the shitter. I also have to appraise two JURY units but same thing, inactive.
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I agree with most of what's being said here. VICE is fine, I see Globey and Purple on all the time, and they do a good job from what I can see. JURY HC is never active, I've only seen 211 on once since I've been back, maybe a few other HC here and there that I'm not remembering. As for SHIELD, I've seen this Nick guy once in my whole time on the server. I'm now thinking about straying away from SHIELD purely out of fear of never being trained or promoted. I haven't really seen too many ZEALOT people on; I see raged on sometimes, though.
I think that, aside from VICE, the entirety of the CCA's HC should be wiped, maybe excluding raged. I'm personally not going to go into CmD's and the SeC. All I'm going to say is I've seen SatN actually flag up on his SeC three times, and only seen him actually do something with him once. I've never seen any CmDs on.
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ZEALOT hc has a problem. Its been a week now and my 01 hasnt had the chance to appraose two zealot units due to the DvL not being online.
VICE doesnt seem to have a problem. Good command there.
SHIELD is getting fixed by yagrum. Whoever the nick dude is should gtfo. Never heard of him. He has zero leadership skill compared to Yagrums awesomeness.
JURY high command is in the shitter. I also have to appraise two JURY units but same thing, inactive.
Sadly, I'm the only ZEALOT that can be on during busy hours thanks to my timezone. The rest live in far away gayboy lands. But, I've placed my LOA, my reason being that my motherboard died. I hope that some ZEALOT units take my position of activity while I'm fixing this issue, but until then. You're stuck without me.
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ZEALOT hc has a problem. Its been a week now and my 01 hasnt had the chance to appraose two zealot units due to the DvL not being online.
VICE doesnt seem to have a problem. Good command there.
SHIELD is getting fixed by yagrum. Whoever the nick dude is should gtfo. Never heard of him. He has zero leadership skill compared to Yagrums awesomeness.
JURY high command is in the shitter. I also have to appraise two JURY units but same thing, inactive.
I'm Australian. I get up at 5:30AM and I'm online on steam/forums until 8:00AM and I'm on the server for at least 20-30 minutes of those mornings. I can't get up any earlier.
Oh and for those asking about ZEALOT activity, 2 of my guys are currently LOA and one is kind of 'LOA', as in he'll play once or twice a week but I can't really get an answer as to why - and since I only have 6 units including myself that's effectively 50% of the squad currently being LOA.
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I think this thread is being derailed. It's disheartening to see you guys debate which division or individual is to blame for this mess. This just goes to show how divided we are.
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I was trained by Sheo, and I must admit that I was face palming the whole way. When he tried to teach us interrogation he didn't even give us information on ways how to do it, but just defined what interrogation was and proceeded to show how he did interrogations. It was a nice attempt but did not cover most of what was posted in jury forums. I felt like I knew more then he did on how to interrogate, which I probably did because all you have to do is read one post and you have the jist of it.
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Divided? It's essentially unanimous that VICE isn't an issue. Wiping VICE HC just punishes us for being good.
To solve the problem: Wipe JURY, SHIELD and commanders. Has anybody even seen Triv since he got his step? I've been pulling all nighters for quite a few days now, and haven't seen him.
In anycase: What seperates a recruit and an officer, is months of good character development, performance, dedicated service, and knowledge of the server itself.
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You seem to be showing elitism to VICE. Stop it now, you are apart of High Command, not VICE-Only High Command. If there is a wipe, you ALL get wiped, no exceptions. Although I don't have a say in the CCA anymore, it is still the fair thing to do.
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You seem to be showing elitism to VICE. Stop it now, you are apart of High Command, not VICE-Only High Command. If there is a wipe, you ALL get wiped, no exceptions. Although I don't have a say in the CCA anymore, it is still the fair thing to do.
I agree. If there is to be a wipe, wipe EVERYTHING, then let units who show promise and activity be promoted, even if that means that the person we just took out of HC was best suited. If it comes to that, then they have obviously earned back their position.
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... Yes, lets penalize players who have been serving well.
It's either the players who have no stake in HC, or else have personal gain on the table, who are supporting a full wipe.
Wiping VICE serves no fucking purpose - Is it elitist to say? I don't think so, but I don't care. Is there a reason to wipe VICE? Creating an illusion of equality when you're really just getting rid of a perfect model of a division's HC? Sounds TOTALLY justified.
Wipe the problems, not the helpers.
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... Yes, lets penalize players who have been serving well.
It's either the players who have no stake in HC, or else have personal gain on the table, who are supporting a full wipe.
Wiping VICE serves no fucking purpose - Is it elitist to say? I don't think so, but I don't care. Is there a reason to wipe VICE? Creating an illusion of equality when you're really just getting rid of a perfect model of a division's HC? Sounds TOTALLY justified.
Wipe the problems, not the helpers.
Sometimes you have to get rid of good stuff that's mixed in with the bad stuff to fix the entire thing. That's life. Don't like it? Go back a few grades and try again.
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You're basing that off of some petty moral sentiment. You yourself said that VICE was performing well. It's hardly necessary at all - Perhaps it would be, if we're talking about individual units scattered across divisions. However, we're talking about an entre division's High Command that's doing well.
Quite frankly, I hate boasting, so I'm just gonna waltz out of this thread and let the 'righteous' have their way.
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VICE is doing well, however if you're going to clean out one thing, you might as well clean the rest. I know it doesn't make sense to you but you'll understand as time goes by. Basically, remove the VICE leaders. If they really are as good as you say then they'll have no problem getting the position back.
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VICE is doing well, however if you're going to clean out one thing, you might as well clean the rest. I know it doesn't make sense to you but you'll understand as time goes by. Basically, remove the VICE leaders. If they really are as good as you say then they'll have no problem getting the position back.
If the current High Command were to be wiped, it would lead units to leave the CCA.
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I was trained by Sheo, and I must admit that I was face palming the whole way. When he tried to teach us interrogation he didn't even give us information on ways how to do it, but just defined what interrogation was and proceeded to show how he did interrogations. It was a nice attempt but did not cover most of what was posted in jury forums. I felt like I knew more then he did on how to interrogate, which I probably did because all you have to do is read one post and you have the jist of it.
You said you were already taught by a CmD how to interrogate and specifically asked me not to rehash anything - so I taught you something new -.-
Don't complain to me about something and then badmouth me the next moment because I let you do something you asked to do.
Now, on the ONTOPIC discussion:
You know how the previous reform got fucked up? People asked for exceptions. And then one HC unit and another HC and another bitched and kicked and whined and moaned until the entirety of HC was left intact. If a wipes gonna happen - Let the fuckin' wipe happen, and take it. This is something that will benefit ALL of CCA. It's impossible to say "Only people who are supporting this have personal gain involved" Because:
A) Burning started this discussion, and he stepped down from JURY DvL
B) Some of the people supporting this discussion aren't even members of the CCA
C) You can't isolate anyone for 'personal gain' about something that will improve the CCA as a whole.
In other words, People wanna bitch about the CCA being fucked up? Wipe High Command. That's where most of the problems slip through at.
It's selfish to try and stop something like that. Besides - no names here, but I've heard complaints from people in VICE about their division as well.
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I really don't blame Globey for not wanting VICE to be wiped. I've personally RPd with him on multiple occasions and can tell you he does his job well and he's very active. Can you really blame someone for not wanting to give up what they love that they rightfully earned through months of hard work because others messed up? I can't because I wouldn't want to either.
It's easy to say, "Yeah, we should wipe all high command" when you're an 05 or nowhere near getting a high command position. It's not something people who have worked hard for months to get that position would just say agree with. I know everyone's saying that if they're really that good, they'll get their position back, but wipes leave room for favoritism to flourish and this would be a good place to get rid of someone good at their job that earned their position and slip it to someone new just because that feels right or because that person kisses a lot of ass.
On the other hand, sometimes everyone has to pay for one groups fuck ups. Just like with the reform, enlisted ranks had to pay for the other guys who didn't know their job. But don't flame Globey for wanting to keep what he's earned.
Overall though, if you're going to wipe HC, you may as well wipe it all. Keeping certain division's HC could be seen as favoritism to others, causing more drama.
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I really don't blame Globey for not wanting VICE to be wiped. I've personally RPd with him on multiple occasions and can tell you he does his job well and he's very active. Can you really blame someone for not wanting to give up what they love that they rightfully earned through months of hard work because others messed up? I can't because I wouldn't want to either.
I agree entirely with this section. However i do not agree with the idea that keeping good HC members would be viewed as 'Elitist' or 'Favourtism', it's simply not fair to punish people for mistakes that others make. Why could the standard unit speak to SatN over keeping his unit if he was viewed as a good roleplayer? Because it would be unfair and frankly make us look like a terrible community if we randomly threw out punishments to those who did not deserve it.
The same thing applies to HC. You cannot simply toss everybody away simply because it would be easier and cause less drama. If the players who got tossed out of HC want to complain, let them, explain to them why they got thrown out and if they continue to try and cause drama just for the sake of it, ban them.
"Oh well, if we let one HC through more will want to follow" We're not talking about other divisions here, we're talking about VICE. Who have been doing an amazing job as staying active and keeping their division afloat. Globey is probably one of the most active HC members i've ever seen on the server.
I think this should come down to a review of each division, i know we're all on the JURY hate train (and quite rightly) at this point, so it's rather obvious what is going to happen there. I cannot really speak for sheild, but i have not seen any of their HC on in days either (Again, i apologise if Yagrum is infact active).
It's not elitism to not throw away good players over the bad, It's not favourtisim to not punish those who have done no wrong, and it shouldn't be done simply because it would be eaiser and cause less drama from the in-active players.
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VICE is not fine, SHIELD is not fine, JURY is not fine. A High Command wipe is in order, it was supposed to happen with the CCA wipe, but apparently it didn't. It's not hard to understand you want to keep your rank, but there are so many things wrong with you that you probably don't know. I think it's time for a HC wipe. Really.
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it was supposed to happen with the CCA wipe, but apparently it didn't.
The wipe wasn't including HC or Recruits.
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What is the point of arguing? If they wipe HC then so be it. It is a game that people need to understand does not evolve around your life. I understand it has taken MANY people to get to their positions and believe me, you will end up getting them back if it so does happen (If you are understanding) Out of all my time in the CCA I have learned allot from the people that are in it and how things are done. The CCA has seen better days as most of us know by now. A HC is wipe is only temporary fix if you think of it. My suggestion is to look at your best units DvLs and weed out the bad ones. I admit in VICE we do run into problems every now and then, I have weeded out all of the problem units and sure enough they were replaced. It takes a time and effort for things to get done right. I take many hours of my personal life and place it into the CCA renovations. Hence the reason why I am hated by units throughout the CCA, I tell them straight that I will amputate them. Units to be more stricter on lower ranks and be creative. Promoting passive RP is what I do, I have passive renovations and builds which people love to take part in. The units that do not like to do anything mechanical are shown the door if they of course do not want to learn. OF course in VICE we do all of what JURY does with the basics of patrolling and such, but when the situation calls we are there and ready. Just a couple days ago I did a passive RP build to renovate the RDT Center and it did wonders. All I ask is that the divisions start promoting passive RP, be more strict on units and also weed out the units that are not capable of commanding that are in command at the time (This involves the Commanders to take notes on the units) The arguing is not going to solve anything and is just going to hold the major situation at hand.
Also: VICE is VICE, JURY is JURY, SHIELD is SHIELD. Every division has a different purpose and people who do not want to lead within them, I met units who want to stay their ranks of 01-02 etc.. This is simply because these guys do not want to have leadership areas as they say they are not fit. Just take a close look at your divisions and get them sorted.
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the first part of purple's post.